I'm finding this hard to watch

[lynettebro440]

Seriously folks, can I say something here.

Can everyone just take one step back, take a deep breath through your nose and out your mouth, find a comfortable chair and listen for just a calming moment.

I've been reading the hysteria on here today and I've been wanting to scream at all you people to just take a breath and realize ONE very important fact. We have 2 simple choices here, Obama or McCain. Plain and fucking simple, those are your two choices. We aren't trying to elect the next second coming Jesus H Christ, Buddha, Mohamed or any other deity you want to use. We have 2 choices, crusty ole Mc Same or Obama.

Reading the blogs and here today reminds me of Thanksgiving dinner with the dysfunctional family. You know the kind, sit around drumming up drama just so they can have some kind of emotional feeling. The authoritarians become louder, the fearful spread the doom. Come on folks, really do you want to be seen by the world as one big dysfunctional family?

We aren't all going to agree with Obama, he's not going to FUCK us, as you all appear to be saying, he's our choice, if you don't like him then McCain's your choice. If you don't like either one of those two then you can vote for some "retaaard always second place guy" like Nader or Barr or stay the fuck home. Those are your choices, now which one do you want.

One of the things that I have always taught my children "and believe me this place sounds like a bunch of whining teenagers" is every action you take has a consequence. Now the choices we have before us doesn't take real scholar to understand but let's break this down in easy terms.

First off, we have a black guy running for president. All you racists mother fuckers who would rather take your chances on the same old shit, crusty old white man who has done nothing but fuck our proud nation up another 4 to 8 years, turn your heads because you've already made up your minds. To all you poor ass, under educated, not so smart people (if that describes you please read on and learn)if you vote for the ole white guy we are going to have a bigger war, they will probably start coming for you because it will be the only job left that pays, you won't be able to drive that big ole truck or junkie caddy anymore because you won't be able to afford gas. You won't be able to feed the kids, or the grandkids because food is going to go through the roof. But if you vote for the black guy he will guarantee that you won't be marching off to war, he's probably going to help with getting some jobs back in your hometown and food might finally stay where its at instead of rising everyday. Sounds like a better choice huh?

Ok, for all the rest of you educated, interested folks. WE HAVE TWO CHOICES HERE, OBAMA OR MCCAIN. Now if you really would like to have your intelligence shine through, instead of crapping on the only candidate we have at this moment why not instead start using that energy to get YOUR (and whichever one you choose I don't care) candidate elected and shut up and put up. Obama is a black guy running for office. Now I'm not black myself but I've been on this planet enough to know that black people have to tow the line in both directions. They have to give in and take when they can. There is no insult there it's just an honest observation. Seriously, if you have sat back and watched carefully through the last 18 months you have notice that since Obama won Iowa he has been attacked, at every level, for everything no matter what. Now that shines of the great racist USA that we truly are, but this guy has towed the line, not falling on either side and done it pretty god damn graciously considering. For those of you that are voting for Obama, why not give it a break. I understand your pissed but think of the dysfunctional family, do you really want to be seen in the world as being someone seriously like that.

Just my thoughts, thanks for listening. Have at it.

[Skittles]

1. so what?

he already has my vote, does that mean I have to bow at fucking feet from now on?

[BlooInBloo]

2. Yes there's obviously nothing else anybody could have in mind other than that.

[Buzz Clik]

21. You are correct, sir. I cannot comprehend why others cannot see this.

[Stuart G]

46. I agree

[lynettebro440]

3. No but destroying the only choice you have

doesn't really help the cause either does it?

[Skittles]

7. the truth should be told, period

I refuse to spin that which is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG

[stillcool]

26. I missed something..

what are you upset about? The only thing I saw today was the nonsense about Wesley Clark.

[tavalon]

38. Don't spin it

Just ignore it until the election. Until then, you are helping McCain if you attack Obama.

[Lars39]

10. Feedback and constructive criticism isn't 'destroying' our candidate.

Lack of input is what got us in this mess anyway.

[tavalon]

39. It's your timing that sucks

Don't give the fundies wedge issues to get them to turn out and vote............against Obama. When, and only when, he's been elected, hold his feet to the fire. Right now, holding his feet to the fire just gives the fundies warm meat.

[lynettebro440]

40. Thank you Tavalon

I was beginning to think that nobody was seeing even the simplest of things. Your help is truly appreciated.

[MadHound]

45. If we wait until he's elected to hold his feet to the fire

We, the people, with our vote, will have absolutely no leverage on Obama to get him to change a damn thing. He will have gotten what he wanted from us, and will have little reason to pay attention to people clamoring for real change.

[Echo In Light]

14. How is the notion of people discussing dire problems "destroying" a choice?

...especially when any "electable" choice is bought and paid for, and largely cosmetic in the bigger scheme of things?

Don't get me wrong, Obama will have my vote...but, really, who gives a fuck? ...it's a completely warped, deceptive system wrapped in 24/7 Orwellian euphemisms to keep the public mind from drawing the obvious conclusion.

I'm a firm believer in grass roots baby steps, one mind at a time an all, sure, but I don't buy into these type of why are liberals so negative characterizations, as they tend to primarily stem from those who feel that any concern is concern to a fault.

[lynettebro440]

I agree with keeping everything in the forefront

but seriously you fuck our guy up and we get stuck with mcsame. If that isn't scary I don't know what is. It's not the time to take inventory, its time to help him get in to clean to scum out.

[Echo In Light]

17. If..IF, we have an even remotely honest election, Obama will hand McNope his ass on a platter

...however, that's a very big if, and that--or something devious carried out by War Pigs, Inc, is something I'm far more nervous about than what little public perception of Name Brand candidates may be impacted by DU forums.

[lynettebro440]

20. How fucking legal can election be

with the Bush folks. The only way we are going to win this is to have so many people at the voting places that it can't be denied. Otherwise they have the means to steal this again. That's what I'm saying, lets get control then hold him accountable. If we are going to hold them accountable then it has to be both of them and mcsame loses, so just saying......

[Hydra]

31. So many people at the voting places???

Are you INSANE? 2 elections obviously stolen, and you think we have some sort of control of the system?

5 million votes flipped in 2004. Do you think they'll have a problem with 10 million? 20 million? 50 million?

We asked Congress to fix this in 2006...they told us they had better things to do.

[katty]

35. thank you - perfectly put

[SergeyDovlatov]

11. bingo!

[CountAllVotes]

15. I guess there is no such thing as constructive criticism

too bad - narrow minds yield little. We aren't allowed to scrutinize the nominee? I'd really hope not.

:dem:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Well said. My thoughts exactly. K&R.

People need to get their damn panties unwadded and support one or the other. The only ideologically perfect candidate to me, the one with whom I will always agree, IS me, but I'm not running. Since it's a binary choice, and McCain sucks out loud, I'm balls to the wall for Obama, even though he's not perfect, like me.

[aquaman]

5. Great post.....

:)

[Fresh_Start]

6. uh, no

we don't have to accept whatever he wants that day....
I'd argue that thats the type of strategy which led to today's 24-percenters
We say we approve within limits....you violate those limits our approval is withdrawn.
And we have to actually hold him accountable instead of finding justification for actions which we don't want

[Skittles]

9. BINGO

I've been sick of the blind devotion some Americans had for Boosh and I won't tolerate it with Obama either. HOLD THEM ALL ACCOUNTABLE.

[saracat]

12. Exactly.Hold him accountable. No blind devotion.

[krispos42]

43. Except holding them accountable means McCain in charge

The primaries are suppose to be when we hold our candidates accountable. For example, Clinton's IWR vote ultimately sank her; she was held accountable.

Of course, during the primaries the media has a large influence in this process simply by who they ran stories and and how the coverage was broadcast. For example, John Edwards who was probably the most-feared Democrat by the Repubs, was largely ignored in favor of the "neatness" factor and vast fundraising dollars of Clinton and Obama.



Obama's already been through the wringer for what's occured between his date of birth and now. Now it's time to hold McCain accoutable for his corruption and flip-flopping, and the Republicans for their fascism, murder, corruption, and general evilness and arrogence.




If we're going to hold Obama accountable for what he does during the Presidency, he had to GET the presidency first.

[colorado thinker]

8. You go, girl. Or guy. (undeclared in profile)

[lynettebro440]

13. Girl

and thanks. I'm not saying don't put him under the microscope but do it AFTER he's in office. All the bullshit now it nothing but that, bullshit.

[colorado thinker]

16. I say get him elected

Then, we have to hold him accountable, like we should have been doing the past seven years with Bush.

[Skittles]

18. WRONG

ALL POLITICANS SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AT ALL TIMES

[Echo In Light]

19. Yes. After all, they are politicians, and lying/deception is a central aspect of their job

[Individualist]

22. 2 simple choices?

Wrong! Qualified voters have the right to vote for anyone they please. We are NOT limited to the choices given us by the corporatocracy.

[BlooInBloo]

23. Oooh! The QuibbleMaster2008 has been released! Where can I get one!

[Individualist]

24. If a QuibbleMaster is what you're looking for,

try bending your head between your knees and looking...nevermind!

[lynettebro440]

25. Have your fit

but putting your name on the ballot isn't going to get you elected

[Individualist]

27. Facts are fits?

And who said I'm putting my name on the ballot? :crazy:

[readmoreoften]

28. Why was there a civil rights movement? Why didn't folks just shut up and vote for their two choices?

We have lots of choices. Voting and donating to politicians is not politics. It's just politics as usual. There are plenty of people here who do more than 'just vote.'

No one here is voting for McCain. I seriously doubt that healthy criticism of Barack Obama is going to push people to McCain.

[lame54]

42. Obama won't lose our votes - But he may lose our enthusiasm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU5gA6IcIpk

[blues90]

29. That's the entire problem to me

These are our only choices and insanity made it this way. So many people going on and on about how great Obama is and this made him some sort of greatness that he allowed and the people sold and bought.

Now if he turns out to be what he seems to be showing then what?

I don't trust anything that gets blown way out of proportion as this has and I don't choose to put all my eggs in one basket.

It's all based on trust of political games and that in itself is dangerous. There is such a thing as bitting off more than one can chew.

[Dogtown]

30. So, we can close up shop and go home?

Not much point to a discussion group if we're not allowed to talk, is there?

:eyes:

[TexasObserver]

32. But I want to vote for the child of Frederick Douglass and Susan B. Anthony!!

Yes, it's tiring hearing people talking about the mythical candidate who will always think exactly like WE think, AND get 51% of the vote! We have two guys. It's gonna be one of them. We can pick McCain, or we can pick Obama. That's really fucking complicated, isn't it?! Gee, who should I vote for? Oh, wait. It's not complicated at all! I'd be insane to vote for McCain. I'd be insane not to vote for Obama.

The End.

[csorman]

33. My thoughts exactly.

One or the other - not so difficult, right? Anyone has every right to question the nominees and to not agree with everything they say. But if you stay home, or vote for Nader, or whatever, you are not allowed to complain one iota if McShithead hobbles his way in. Period.

[Wednesdays]

34. I don't understand...

is there a third choice (apart from Obama and McSame) gaining traction here? :shrug:

[lynettebro440]

36. No we still only have the two choices

for those that really want the facts, mcsame or obama. Take your pick.

[Kablooie]

41. I vote for Bush and his wonderful martial law. That's a third choice isn't it?

[tavalon]

37. Well, actually, whether we're seen as a dysfunctional family is neither here nor there

We are a dysfunctional family! But, yes, we need to get over our bad selves. I think people found the backdoor way to keep the natiness of the GDP mood going and I wish our parents would send us to bed without supper already.

[baby_mouse]

44. It is possible, I think, to vote for and criticise the same person. NT.