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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:58 PM
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The soul killing magick of the market
B.G. Stone mentions a lake in Bakweri country where "there is a great spirit market and spirits from all over the world are thought to meet there and barter their goods. The new Nigerian coinage and paper money were first said to have been introduced in this spirit market, and to have been distributed thence to the people."9 More recently, Peter Geschiere describes the emergence of

a new type of witches who no longer eat their victims, but who transform them into a kind of zombie and put them to work on "invisible plantations." The nouveaux riches supposedly owe their success to the exploitation of these zombies' labor. People insist on the novelty of this form of witchcraft and often relate it to the arrival of the Europeans and the introduction of new luxury items. (139)

Wim van Binsbergen remarks, regarding the new zombie cults, that "the reference to earlier forms of globalisation (slave trade) is now used in order to express and contest, in a witchcraft idiom, newer forms of globalisation, such as the differential access to consumer goods and post-colonial state power."10 Van Binsbergen makes a suggestive distinction between slavery and wage labor. In slavery, the entire being of a person is alienated, so that one person becomes the property of another. The slave ceases to exist as a legally autonomous subject. In wage labor, however, only the part of a person's life which is sold as "labor" is alienated. The person remains a legally autonomous subject, but he gives up a portion of his life -- that is, of his self -- in exchange for a symbol of that portion. This symbol, which is money, then attains a subjective power, so that it determines the lives of the people whose activity it represents. A money economy is one in which people are ruled by a fetishized representation of their own selves. Market economies are ruled by this ghostly, dead -- but supernaturally active -- power called money.


http://emc.eserver.org/1-4/hawkes.html
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:11 PM
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1. Brain damage alert
Whew...lucky escape. Note to self: avoid people so in love with their own metaphors that they lose any and all perspective on history. To listen to this Hawkes guy you'd think economics started around 1500 AD.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:57 PM
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2. In a way it did
not like we have it now,but it concerned with using other peoples labor to exploit.. In ancient egypt the pyramids were built by workers, who gave up days of their life to build this thing for 1 person and his chosen few.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-01-08 12:12 AM
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3. What does Ancient Egypt have to do with the year 1500?
I can't quite make out your point here.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-01-08 02:40 AM
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5. no, pyramids were built by slaves (not workers)
who were forced to give up years of their lives to build a thing for 1 person.

There was no choice to it
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-01-08 09:36 AM
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7. Heddi you are wrong.
That biblical inspired myth has been dis-proven.

http://harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyrami...
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/pyramids/pyramids.htm...
Also Pharaohs would NOT let slaves build a sacred shine.Slaves were not going to treat it with the reverence needed.So Pharaoh hired workers to do it.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-01-08 02:27 AM
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4. Read "Ancient Futures"
Edited on Tue Jul-01-08 02:29 AM by JDPriestly
It describes a virtually moneyless society that actually existed not that long ago.

People practice(d) polyandry and lived in harmony. To show or be angry was socially unacceptable. They wasted nothing. Great book.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-01-08 04:08 AM
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6. interesting read.
Edited on Tue Jul-01-08 04:08 AM by Hannah Bell
i've always been fascinated by ghost dance/cargo cult phenomena as a reaction to colonialization. the witchcraft/wage labor/money examples are especially thought-provoking.

you might like this one too:

http://nas.ucdavis.edu/Forbes/CANNIBALS.html

"columbus & other cannibals" "wetiko"
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