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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:15 PM
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my local nbc station news just reported that the race between obama & mccain was a statistical tie
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 05:16 PM by spanone
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:19 PM
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1. it's a statistical lie
on behalf of nbc, I apologize for the typo.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:19 PM
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2. They misspelled the last word
it's spelled L-I-E

Fukin freepers, can't spell fer shit.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:21 PM
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3. Fake polls and false statistics is a common tactic used by the CIA and Rove.n/t
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:24 PM
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4. in their dreams...n/t
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:26 PM
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5. /the powers that be want to make it look as close as possible
for then, it will be much easier to steal. And they are going to try and steal it again.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:28 PM
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6. It's still within The Keith Number, but it's not a statistical tie. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:28 PM
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7. Yeah, on another subject I heard
our local news giving their version of events.

I was flipping through stations the other night and Hillary and Obama were featured in their Unity, NH event so I turned the sound on.. The unity rally was commented on and then they brought up bill clinton and said maybe there was so much unity afterall.

After 8 years of m$$m bullshit I've learned to recognize manipulation when they want us to "stay tuned" for the controversary because they hadn't "appeared together yet".

Who knows it may be true but I don't trust 'em..they performed badly, too many times.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:35 PM
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8. The easier to steal the election....
my dear.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:40 PM
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9. Yeah..
some more statistical lies...
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cayuga Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:44 PM
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10. The ratio in the Primary was 2.5 - 1.
For every Republican voter there were 2.5 Democratic voters. How is Rove going to explain that? The only way they can steal the vote again is for the public to believe the vote is 50-50. That won't happen if we remind them that there was a 2.5 -1 ration in the Primary.
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Jackeen Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:58 PM
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12. Flawed logic.
The only thing that ratio proves is that a larger number of people who voted Democrat bothered to get out of the house and visit the polling stations. Especially considering the Democratic race lasted a lot longer than the Republican one, there was more cause for more people to partake in Democratic primaries. There is no guarantee that all the Republican voters who did not partake in the Primary will not partake in the General.

I'm inclined to agree that the NBC article is perhaps not the best reflection of reality, but just be careful of how you support your position.
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cayuga Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 10:20 PM
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13. Thanks for the warning. about using flawed logic.
But that statistic was based on the number of voters at the end of the Republican primaries and did not include the additional Democrat voters.

One doesn't need to be too careful or logical to realize that roughly 3/4 of this country despises the destruction the Republicans have wrought upon our country and that 3/4 (75%) wants change. It is ridiculous to think they can make us believe that 50% of this country want things to continue as they are now.

Be careful about buying into the Rovian tactics. They are so 2004.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:45 PM
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11. They're simply cherry picking bogus polls to manipulate how you think
It's one of those weird deals that Americans have (and you see it all the time on DU).

I call it poll fetishism.

i.e. and unwaivering and uncritical belief that "scientific" polls reflect reality so long as they agree with one's position on the issues or ones choice of candidates.

It's gotten to be quite the business in the states- presenting poll results that they believe the people who pay them want to hear (sort of like auditors in the corporate scandals presented numbers favorable to stock price).

In this regard, how about we pose a question?

How is it that the so many polls have been off- and off wildly in terms of variance for the entire 2007-2008 election cycle?

After all, aren't they all "scientific?" How could one or another be so far off base?

Which really goes back to the key question:

Is the particular poll being cited meant to accuratety reflect the opinions of the electorate at large? Or is it primarily meant to influence it?



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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:26 AM
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14. way too earlier to start taking any of those things seriously, especially since
the range, including the Gallup of a few days ago (before it went back up to a four point lead), was what, fifteen points to a tie?

there's a sense of the way things are going, but that's more of a sense of the national mood, including enthusiasm, primary turnout, etc.

remember Dukakis

you can't even imagine what they have up their sleeves

they are capable of ANYTHING, and they'll stop at nothing
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