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mqbush Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:33 AM
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"Monopoly" was invented by a Quaker as an instructional lesson
We’ve all played the board game, “Monopoly.” The whims of the dice determine who lands on Park Place first, and consequently, inevitably accrues more and more wealth, without effort or wit, at the expense of the other players. The more money this purely lucky person extracts from the other players, the more hotels he can buy, increasing his effortless earnings by mind-boggling leaps.

It took the economic collapse of 1929, and many years of legislative struggles by progressives, to produce a manageable, sustainable, and humane economy after the robber barons of the first Gilded Age gutted America. (Of course, some will argue that it was WWII that sparked the economy. But wars DRAIN economies, as all the histories of all the warring nations of all the world clearly show. Sure, people had jobs in munitions plants. But they had earlier had WPA jobs, and were still poor people in a moribund economy. It was Keynesian economic reforms that transformed America.)

To be sure, there were pro-royalty, anti-socialism forces during the years of middle-class prosperity. But it took the one-two punch of the economically draining Vietnam War, and the rise of Richard Nixon, to shift power back to these proponents of financial elitism. The rest is the dreary history of descent into another Gilded Age. A worse one this time. In 1928, the top .01% of Americans averaged 892 times more income than people in the bottom 90%. In 2006, it was 976 times. (Source: The Nation, 6/30/08)

Wealthy apologists actually offer as a rationale the claim that they “earned” their wealth and should be free to spend it as they choose, and not have it taxed and spent by the government on other people who didn’t earn that money. This idea is astoundingly infantile and perverse. Members of our society, scarcely able pay their bills, chip in to make roads and schools and parks and libraries and armies and the internet and insurance for accident, illness, unemployment, natural disaster, old age, and on and on. This sharing by society’s members allows a life outside a cave or a nest in a tree. Anything and everything we have comes from that cooperative pooling of resources. These “rugged individuals” who amass astronomical fortunes have the luxury of dreaming up their bizarre rationales because they are freed from having to dig for grubs all day to get enough to eat, freed by the communal efforts of society. These “rugged individuals” derive all the benefits of a communal society, but they resent chipping in their fair share for the continuance of this profound evolutionary leap toward civilization. They want to live as parasites, pirates, marauders, stealing from society and, amazingly, they (at least pretend to) feel virtuous about it.

During the first Gilded Age, the wealthy hired guards to protect them from “socialists.” These “socialists” were poor, struggling lower-class people angry that for all their work they would die young from disease or occupational injury because they had barely enough to provide paltry basics for their families, while the financial royalists had staggering wealth that could do profound good, but which would be jealously guarded from doing so. In our second Gilded Age, the simple, descriptive term “socialist,” meaning a person in favor of the wellbeing of all the members of society, has been changed into something sinister and nightmarish. Now THAT’S a propaganda coup for the royalists. Isn’t it amazing how many people who would be so much better off with some socialist reform rage at the mere mention of the word?
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Sheets of Easter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:40 AM
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1. Excellent post. Thank you.
Rec'd.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:52 PM
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23. Calvinism. I bet there are a lot of gilded aged industrialists and their
spawn still scrubbing floors on their knees in heaven. :)
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Lifetimedem Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 05:33 PM
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26. Justice is a beautiful thing
But it is not ours to dish out
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:19 AM
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37. Are you suggesting we should let these robber barons have their way?
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:40 PM
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27. Calvinism is the root of much of the problem.
Just look at a map of Baptist church adherents.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:41 PM
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28. Calvinism is the root of much of the problem.
Just look at a map of Baptist church adherents.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:48 AM
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50. Very few Baptist churches subscribe to Calvinist doctrine
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 10:53 AM by brentspeak
Almost all of them reject reformed theology.

As for Calvinism -- Calvin himself was a bad man, as were some of his initial followers. However, many of today's Presbyterians, Reformed church members, etc., are quite liberal, and reject the social Darwinism aspects of Calvinism. Further, there's a great deal of Baptists who reject social Darwinism -- more than you might expect.
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:42 AM
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2. Those that earned their wealth couldn't have done it with out help from society
They moved their goods on interstate highways, hve their property protected by police, in case of fire, they utilize the fire department. Yet they consider all this stuff "free" and say they earned their money.

also, they can't earn any money without workers, yet they see workers as a disposable annoyance.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:54 AM
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6. The modern corporate structure DEPENDS on publically funded commons
No only the things you mentioned, but also the public school system, financial, business and product regulation, communications infrastructure, scientific research, etc, etc.....

Also, a military that that spans the globe, making sure that "American interests" prevail (in the name of "peace" and "freedom", of course).

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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:19 AM
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17. That's The Essence Of Properly Done Capitalism
Even Adam Smith never said that NOBODY was to interfere with the market. That's a myth. Adam Smith called for operating upon ENLIGHTENED self-interest. If gov't needs to regulate to assure that companies are enlightened about the societal and overall economic impact of their business decisions, it needs to do just that. That creates a just capitalism.
The Professor
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:22 AM
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38. Exactly, and I'd love to know exactly how they "earned" their money -
by ripping off others "legally"? Paying scant wages and taking advantage of every loophole their high-priced lawyers can find? This is why capitalism, in my mind, fails. Inherent in the system is the reality that in order to be on top you are pushing down others. When we compete, we are not complete, in so many ways.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:40 AM
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41. They can't earn money without customers either, and now they even see customers as an annoyance
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:47 AM
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3. and the lesson the Quaker was trying to get across was
what? Sorry for being dense. The inventor was a socialist?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:51 AM
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4. How the pursuit of money always devolves into a spite filled game that is boring for the last hour..
because it gets very easy to see which way it's going.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:56 AM
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8. How true. And excellent post mqbush! K&R and welcome to DU.
It's hard to imagine that there are people out there who truly believe that these robber barons truly deserve to make several orders of magnitude more than the working class who actually does the earning. Wealth inequality in this country is probably the biggest issue facing us today. Your post succinctly explains why that is so.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:35 AM
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19. There's only one way to play that game, and it's even in the rules
Play by the clock. One or two hours is enough. After that it becomes predation.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:47 AM
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20. But that's when you get to gloat as you build hotels everywhere!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 01:57 PM
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22. Carnivore capitalism always becomes predation.
That's in the rules also.
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mqbush Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:57 AM
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9. She was a Quaker. What do you think?
The inevitable accrual of wealth at the expense of the less lucky,-monopoly,- would be a concern for a person who is attuned to the needs of the humble.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:52 AM
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5. K&R
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:54 AM
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7. Nicely done.
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 10:04 AM by Richardo
I would only add that the regulated business environment that has been largely dismantled since Reagan was promulgated in response to the inequities of the Gilded Age, and the abuses of the would-be monopolists. (After all, the Interstate Commerce Commission was not created because the railroads were engaging in FAIR business practices.)

I always point out to the radical free marketeers that the 'oppressive' regulations they seek to eliminate were not put into place for no reason, and the consequences of removing them can be severe. I think that Phil Gramm's Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which is in large part responsible for the speculative volatility in oil and food prices, is finally the object lesson that even a conservative can understand.


BTW:
Posts like yours, that leave out the invective, hysteria, hyperbole and juvenile nicknames so common around here are so much more persuasive and readable. Many around here should take a page out of your style book to the betterment of the entire board. Thanks, and recommended.

:applause:
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:04 AM
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10. And only a monopoly can keep a monopoly from existing
That's why we have one government, but many corporations. That's also why multi-national corporations increase their power over individual national governments.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:07 AM
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11. Well spoken!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:11 AM
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12. I used to play Monopoly games that lasted for days
My friends and I extended the rules by adding higher denominations of money, and defining rents for properties with up to two hotels (and monopolies thereof).

I'd love to own another house or three on my street or the immediate area. There are a few people in the 'hood who do. It hasn't made them wealthy by any means, but it would be cool to have those assets and spend days managing them instead of working a regular job.

Maybe by the time I'm 60 and have this place paid off...
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:11 AM
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13. Great OP mqbush
thanks for posting as I enjoyed reading.

Peace and low stress...
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:19 AM
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14. Nixon was a Quaker, incidentally. nt
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liam_laddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:25 AM
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15. K & R!
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:35 AM
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16. My god, what a great OP.
Gladly K&R'd! :thumbsup:
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:31 AM
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18. You're referring to the original version of MONOPOLY, known as THE LANDLORD'S GAME
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:51 AM
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21. Very nice history lesson. Thank you.
What's pleasant for me to realize is that the number of what we might call, after Harris, "obligative" psychopaths - those whose anti-social behaviors aren't situation-dependent - are so few compared to the "obligative" good people. The Friends appear to be particularly rich in good people.

I've always admired George Fox's answer to Wm Penn when Penn asked him whether, as a new-minted Quaker, he should still wear a sword (as he was obliged to do by law at the time, being a member of the gentry): "Wear it as long as you can".
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:56 PM
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24. I was always a winner at Monopoly and NEVER EVER wanted Boardwalk or Park Place
My successful strategy was to get both utilities and Mediterranean & Baltic.. Clean 'em out everytime they "pass GO".:evilgrin:
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 05:18 PM
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25. I'd kick your butt in Monopoly.
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 05:24 PM by ElboRuum
The best way to win is to get hotels on the orange properties. If you can get the plum ones developed, so much the better, but the orange ones are key.

You hit most people as they roll out of jail (6,7, and 9, the one-roll distances to the oranges from Jail, comprise 15 out of the 36 possible permutations of two dice, giving a near 42% chance of hitting orange on the first roll out, almost even money!), and since it is before the Go To Jail corner, which makes the greens and blues near useless, you'll see quite a bit of traffic. Additionally, the Advance to St. Charles Place card, the Move To Nearest Utility Card, and Move To Nearest Railroad Card puts players right into the line of fire, forcing them into a high roll to miss the orange. Oh and hitting the Back 3 Spaces on the Chance just following Free Parking puts you on orange too.

(on edit:)
Another nice thing about the orange properties is the pricing. It's much easier to build housing on these than the more deadly green and blue properties, even yellow and red tend to take a long time to develop due to the prices.

I have never lost owning developed orange. Nevereverever. If you get the plum ones developed too, the game rarely lasts more than 10 minutes after that.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:06 PM
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29. No No No. The important thing is to have the car as your game piece.
The car ALWAYS wins. :)
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:25 AM
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44. Actually, the THIMBLE always wins...
...but no one ever picks it. If they only knew the power of the thimble. THIMBLLLLLLE! Sorry, too much coffee.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:07 PM
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30. Nobody has to play Monopoly: there are alternatives ...
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:25 AM
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39. Unfortunately all it seems to take is waving a few shiny pieces in front
of people and everyone wants to play, at the expense of all those who lose. Sad, isn't it? Life could be so different.
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:26 AM
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45. There's always PayDay
Where you go around the board interminably intil all the players are broke. Three from the mailbox? Shit.
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Tech 9 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:52 AM
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31. This is a good post mqbush
but you're quite wrong about what transformed America, and especially the significance of the Second World War to the United States. Keynesian economics doesn't quite explain the Marshall Plan, does it? Now off hand perhaps that wouldn't matter very much, but it does for two reasons:

1. You can't understand or analyze America or global capitalism today without also talking about *imperialism*

2. If you're suggesting that "Keynesian economics" is some kind of goal or "solution", you're dreaming.

2a. You're also very mistaken if you think that Keynesian economics merely emerged as a superior theoretical approach to economics OR that benevolent politicians were in any way responsible for such policies (New Deal in particular)

These aren't trifling quibbles unfortunately.

Good post though
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mqbush Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 07:52 AM
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36. Keynes was being pragmatic. Contented workers and
a prosperous middle class are well-worth the added expense. Looking at Keynes' recommendations from a distance, squinting, it looks something like a progressive viewpoint. He gets points for saying basically what we say all the time. I DO believe that a regulated, people-friendly economy will be more successful than a predatory one, whether it's called Keynesian or something else.
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Tech 9 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:53 AM
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46. Well that blunts the OP n/t
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stevebreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:42 AM
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32. imagine playing monopoly with the rules the Bush administration would like
since inheritance would be tax free, and the wealth gap no problem, One person out of one hundred would be born owning; Boardwalk and Park place, all the green all the yellow all the red and half the orange properties.
How long would that game last before a winner was determined?
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:49 AM
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33. This Is The Age Of Socializing Risk And privatizing Profit
.

Your post is a fine read. The establishment has been able to sell the fantasy that one can do it alone. The people of USA are where they are today _because_ they work together and every one can benefit.

Yes I am a socialist.

.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:51 AM
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34. An excellent post. Very thought provoking.
Recommended.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 07:50 AM
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35. Here's the story of one Quaker!
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nj/state/seabrook_farms_nj.htm
http://www.njdigitalhighway.org/collections/seabrook/
I read about this last year, having grown up here, in the 40's/50's. My Dad rejected by the military, due to his poor eyesight, worked as a manager here during the war.
The Seabrook Farms Educational & Cultural Center site is inaccessable now.....but there is a lot of other material if you are interested in looking. FIRST GEN, CHARLES WORKED HARD TO BUILD UP TE PLANT FROM NOTHING, YES THERE WERE LABOR ISSUES, SECOND GEN, LIVED THE HIGH LIFE, ONE DATING EVA GABOR AND INVOLVED INTHE HORSEY SET. Several of the Grandchildren ( MY PEERS) are running the farm actively again.
I can't find it today but I read last year that
CHarles Seabrook BUILT RT # 77 from Bridgeton up to Woodbury NJ to facilitate driving the vegetables to Campbells Soup in Camden. ( Would you call that socialistic Capitalism?)

At this special Day of Remembrance event,(NY 2008) we will hear former residents of Seabrook share about their experience and the challenges of being West Coast Japanese Americans re-creating their disrupted lives and forming a new community on the East Coast. They dealt with many challenges, confronted lingering prejudice, and determinedly honored the rituals and customs of their Japanese heritage.
As adults toiled under difficult conditions alongside Japanese Latin American, European, South American, African Americans and Appalachian workers, their children experienced a unique and extraordinary multicultural education. ( AS A WASP DESCENDANT OF THE SONS OF LIBERTY, THAT WAS MY HIGH SCHOOL EXPERIENCE! LATE IN LIFE I REALIZE IT WAS A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE! THE INTERRED & IMMIGRANT STUDENTS, SET THE BAR FOR LEARNING VERY HIGH, GIVING US ALL THE EQUIVALANT OF A COLLEGE LEARNING INHIGH SCHOOL. AND WE WERE GENERATIONS AHEAD IN THE EVOLVED, CIVICS. ARENA.)
It was a company and community so unusual that it was featured in LIFE magazine. This Day of Remembrance will illuminate how Seabrook has evolved to present day and has contributed to the history and identity of all Japanese Americans.
IN GENERAL SOUTH JERSEY WAS SETTLED BY SWEDES & QUAKERS, & HUGEUNOTS (MY HERITAGE)& BURPEE SEEDS FOUNDER! THEY PROVIDED A SAFE HAVEN FOR RUN-AWAY SLAVES, FREED BLACKS, AND NATIVE AMERICANS MY GRT GRANDFATHER BEING ONE) ESPOMA FERTILIZERS IS ANOTHER COOL PRODUCT OF THE AREA ( ORGANIC FERTIIZERS,) TRY IT, IT WORKS REALLY WELL!
AND TODAY GOV CORZINE, ( BILDERBERG 06) IS TRYING TO SHUFFLE THE STATE DEPT OF AG. INTO ANOTHER DEPT.SAD...............
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:35 AM
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40. When they can define our words they control the way we think.
"1984" is a how-to manual.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:01 AM
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42. "In 1928, the top .01% of Americans averaged 892 times more income than people in the bottom 90%....
I had heard something like those numbers on a recent Thom Hartmann program, but was unable to Google it. Thanks for that. My copy of that issue hasn't been delivered yet, but it's online at: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080630 I'll start looking. The theme of that issue is: "THE NEW INEQUALITY", so most of the articles there should be relevant.

pnormn
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JuniorPlankton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:23 AM
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43. Hold on
I think it is a bit extreme to make these sweeping statements such as "capitalism fails"

As somebody who grew in the Soviet Union I can tell that "socialism fails", that's or sure. I guess we are trying to find a system that fails less than the other. Or, a combination of the two.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:55 AM
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47. Control Fails
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 09:58 AM by Crisco
When you have one individual or small group making decisions / growth strategies for a nation, removing individual choice from the masses, you've got a future national nightmare for the underlings.

I wish some of the "global capitalism is wonderful!" people could go play the online game I was a part of for a few years. The most successful kingdoms all had strategies requiring hyper-specialization. Total soul killer - and it still required cheating to maintain because the strategies that were adhered to for success couldn't work in the real world (in game that meant outside of your spreadsheet), because there were too many uncontrollable factors - specifically, other humans who had their own ideas and events beyond anyone's control.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:04 AM
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48. The Soviet Union was not socialist...
they can call it what they like, it was violent dictatorship with a command economy.

Europe is more socialist than the US and the people there better off for it, though it's far from ideal.

The US is an increasingly extreme oligarchy.

Let's not get hung up on single words. The issues are wealth distribution and forms of control. Clearly the present model is unsustainable.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:35 AM
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49. "Isn’t it amazing how many people who would be so much better off with some socialist reform rage at
at the mere mention of the word?"

Yes, it is. That, indeed, is perhaps the biggest propaganda coup anyone anywhere has ever pooled off. It's time that we begin to learn how they pulled this off, and what we can do about it.

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