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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:24 PM
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Re: Tim Russert - There's a sickness among a segment of DU
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 05:43 PM by DianeG5385
The juvenile and the stupid who revel in the man's sudden death. Because the man did not kowtow to your every deluded political whim yes, you dance on his grave. Your are either sick, afreeper or one of those obnoxiously abusive people I've noticed all primary season. By the way, four soldiers died in Iraq today. Still dancing?
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:26 PM
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1. just ignore it
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 05:26 PM by skooooo
There are sentiments on DU that I don't agree with too. It's not worth getting yourself in a tizzy.
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:31 PM
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10. Exactly...
...for some of us who are in the media field, we saw him for the arbiter of facts that he was. Whether we agreed with him all the time, or even saw or felt that we saw a bias in his interviewing process is beside the point. The truth is, Russert hosted the most coveted Sunday political talkshow on television and did it in such a way that all politicians respected and hoped to be a part of.
He was a good man and father as well and was held in the highest regard by all of his true peers. I think that the majority here saw him the same way.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:27 PM
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2. a great example of cognitive dissonance. n/t
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:27 PM
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3. I think I am more offended by the happy dance being done here
then the primary wars. x(

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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:32 PM
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11. I keep trying to make sense of the mean streak that's developed on DU
It's hard to ignore and it's become close to impossible to have any sort of meaningful discussion on the site as it's become so infected. I really and truly keep telling myself and I hope it's true that this element does not represent main stream democrats and the freepy pukes are in mega destruct mode. I rarely post any more although I do check the site almost daily. The blowback is scorching at times.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:11 PM
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69. Yeah, all the Bush-Hating has become tiresome...
Or did you mean something else?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:08 PM
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67. Got examples? I really haven't seen any "I'm glad he's dead" posts.
I'm sure there are a whole 5 people on all of DU that have managed to send the outrage-prone apoplectic. In that, they've apparently won.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:27 PM
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4. still time to edit.. it's "kowtow"
unless you are towing some cows with a rope :)
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:35 PM
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13. LOL, I originally had cowtoe
Thanks for the spellcheck!
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:55 PM
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28. Is that anything like a Mooseknuckle?
:rofl:
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:27 PM
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44. Kinda...n/t
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:27 PM
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5. But but but...Tim didn't trumpet the virtues of all liberals and spew insults at all non-liberals.
He must've been a useless corporate media shill.

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:28 PM
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6. Some people are assholes
I hope his family, especially his son and father the best.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:36 PM
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15. DU seems to have acquired a lot of those....
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:40 PM
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17. There's assholes everywhere
Just because you agree with someone politically, doesn't mean you agree with them morally or ethically...
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:28 PM
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7. Everything that happens is about them, don't you know that?
:rofl:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:29 PM
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8. In Iraq, too? Four Marines died in Afghanistan.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:36 PM
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14. You're probably right. i just heard four Marines died
and assumed Iraq
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:30 PM
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9. You're right. NOBODY, and certainly no TV personality of any stripe
says or does everything I agree with all the time. The day that happens, I will KNOW I've become one of the sheep! Probably the one I agree with most is KO, but I disagree with him sometimes too! Yes, Tim has asked questions that I felt shouldn't have been asked, and didn't ask a lot that I wish he would have, but I still think he was one of the good guys. Nobody is right all the time, but I believe he was an ethical journalist who did his best do do his job the way he thought was the right way. I'll miss him.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:38 PM
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16. Why can't someone just be a good guy?
I think he was, and I'm sick of political ideology uber alles approach on both sides. I am coming to believe that Obama is sick of it too and I hope hope hope!! we can get past the polarization if/when he's elected!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:53 PM
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25. One persona CANNOT change an entire culture! Like you, I would
like to see a lot of the partisan stuff gone, but Tim made his career & his job about politics. You are on a political message board! There are some very strong partisans here, and that's OK.

There are several journalists I think are good guys/gals along with Tim. I don't agree with them all the time, but they do their job well most of the time. I've learned to just ignore the extremists here on DU. We need them too! Just don't let them get to you.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:33 PM
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12. Had Mr russert been doing his job, those 4 soldiers might not have died.
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 05:33 PM by junofeb
I have personally seen no grave dancing. however, I've been working pretty full shifts and thus am elsewhere than here. I have seen people willing to state that Russert did nothing to stop this horror we currently live in, thus he could be considered complicit. I don't really know much about him. I never watch television news, never have, never will, but my opinion, he was just a talking head who knew which side buttered his bread. He was no truly objective or investigative journalist no matter how many people insist that because he was on TV we should consider him such.

He certainly did not try to keep us out of this despicable war. he was in a position to be heard... Those 4 are on his soul as well as GW's.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:41 PM
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19. That is the stupidest thing I ever heard
The Bush Regime was going in no matter what and Tim Russert was not going to stop them. Go back and watch the Cheney pre-Iraq war interview, he asked the hard questions.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:43 PM
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21. Isn't it??
Like Russert had the supreme power to end the war. Just plain stupid.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:48 PM
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23. If Russert and his ilk had been doing their jobs, W wouldn't have had even a snowball's chance in
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 05:49 PM by kath
hell of being selected.

see "Whitewater! Whitewater!" "Clinton's Cock! Clinton's Cock" "Gore's a Liar! Gore's a Liar" "Gore wears EARTHTONES!", and mountains of other bullshit that they spewed. All in service to their corporate masters.
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pt22 Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:23 PM
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73. I don't think I have enough seniority to agree with you but I would like to.
:-)
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:54 PM
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27. That is absolutely asinine nt
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:40 PM
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18. By all accounts, Russert was a fine human being in his private life.
But he sucked balls as a journalist. Dick Cheney's own chief of staff called him their go-to guy when they wanted to get their message out unfiltered and unchallenged. I think it's actually okay to point that out, no?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:42 PM
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20. DU really should be adults only and children allowed only when accompanied by an adult
There's a lot of us here that don't like putting up with someone else's obnoxious kids.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:46 PM
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22. There's another sickness among DU: paid lobbyists posing as DU'ers
no names mentioned, but for Christ's sake, read the threads. Some are eulogizing Russert here as if he were the offspring of Jesus Christ and Ghandi combined.

He was a TV host, and not a very objective one at that. I'm sorry for his family, and I'm sorry that the man died at a relatively young age. And I'm sorry that his warmongering employer will probably replace him with someone far worse.

But that doesn't elevate him to sainthood. And the type of responses I have seen here worshiping the man are echoing the type of organized pushes I see on a lot of DU threads lately......

Say one word about tobacco related health problems or smoking bans, and your thread looks like a Phillip Morris lobbyist convention within 30 seconds.

Post a VP poll that states why senators can't be on the ticket, and suddenly Jim Webb (who was a Republican three years ago) becomes the new "Liberal Messiah". It's as bad as the Clark vote-rigging was here in 2004, and it's not an accident.

How many of you are here on someone's dime? I'd seriously like to know.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:01 PM
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34. Great post n/t
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:53 PM
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24. Fuck that.
While I haven't attacked Tim in anyway...I support the attacks.

Most DUers have republican family members and friends who they still treat with respect...and treat as a equals.

Republicans support the destruction of our constitution, and our nation.

Now you tell me ...what kind of sick fuck would respect the very people who want our constitution shredded ?

Maybe you should look in the mirror before you attack others.



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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:54 PM
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26. Stop with this "Dance on his Grave" Bullshit.
That's a red herring that the Reich will start using on Monday to smear anyone that expresses understanding of Russert's complicit behavior.

Its IS NOT dancing on his grave or juvenile to acknowledge the reality of Russert's involvement in lying to the American People on behalf of the Reich.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

But then those attempting to set up this smear that will begin this coming week are not members of 'The Reality based Community' and most likely Reich wing Stooges themselves.

Bite my Crank

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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:56 PM
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29. That's a phony thread that only proves the OP's point. Please try again.
:thumbsdown:
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:59 PM
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31. 121 replies and 102 Recomends dissagree with you
Now You try again
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:03 PM
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35. Appeals to popularity and other mewling logical fallacies do not a fact make.
Give it another 'ole college whirl.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:07 PM
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36. The Fact is that Russert was a Reich-wing enabler -big time
talking about it is simply reality

You're Done.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:08 PM
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37. The fact is that you don't have a single shred of evidence to substantiate such a silly claim.
Indeed, the evidence is quite to the contrary. Give it another try.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:15 PM
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71. and your evidence is lacking too
as if using the word 'silly' makes for a solid argument. 'Proof' by name-calling.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:26 PM
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42. No point in tangling with this one, Phred. He's the king of logical fallacies
and deliberate obtuseness.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:32 PM
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47. LOL! Projection, thy name is "kath"...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:13 PM
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70. as if you yourself have used any facts
the fact is while the OP in the link is anti-Russert and its accuracy or kindness can be questioned, it does not come anywhere close to grave dancing, or glee at his death. Merely the evaluation of :thumbsdown: to the work of Russert's life.

But it's not like reasoning with you is likely to have any impact.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:15 PM
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39. The problem with that thread is that it
conflates two things: The media frenzy surrounding Russert's death and Russert's life and career.

The fact that the media, as the OP states, is engaging in a "media festival far beyond it's importance" is no indication that Russert was actually "their idol, their model, their archetype." The media's reaction is similar to their reaction to any number of incidents: overkill.

Russert had his moments, good and disappointing. To say he embodied everything that's wrong with the media is a bit hyperbolic. Compare Russert to Fox, which actually embodies everything that's wrong with the media and society.

From Democracy Arsenal:

Russert

Posted by The Editors

Those of us at Democracy Arsenal and National Security Network want to convey our sympathies to the family and friends of Tim Russert. We counted on his reporting and his tough questions to help illuminate some of the most important national security debates in this country. His contributions to our national debate will be missed.


One of Russert's best interviews:

Transcript for Sept. 10: Dick Cheney

Count how many lies Cheney told in that one.



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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:30 PM
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46. re; comparing Russert to Fox, another DUer said it very well yesterday:
Is a journalist-poseur worse than an upfront right wing mouthpiece?
"Today's essay question, class"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I also liked the response:
I heard it said once that a KKK member in a sheet is better than one in a suit
At least you know where you stand with the one in the sheet.

A poseur is worse than an upfront mouthpiece.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:27 PM
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74. it may or may not be hyperbolic
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 07:30 PM by hfojvt
many OPs on DU are. But there is no grave dancing. There is NO "Russert is dead :woohoo: :rofl: :bounce: :woohoo: I cannot stop laughing and dancing. It could not have happened to a more deserving guy. Hahahahaha!!"

It's maybe a little over-the-top in criticism of his work, but it does not express some kind of glee about his death. Instead of answering it, his fans are all just trying to squelch anything critical. The standard response, typified by this very thread is not "you are wrong". Instead it is "you cannot or should not say that" or apparently think that.

If you count how many lies Cheney told in the interview, can you also count how many times Russert called him on his lies? What's the final score?
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:16 PM
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40. A plurality of morons does not a truth make. (nt)
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:34 PM
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49. Amen
The number of these threads is getting as ridiculous as overboard coverage of a right wing journalist's death.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:56 PM
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30. Re: the sickness
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 06:05 PM by earthlover
I don't think DU members are any more likely to have this "sickness" than our counterparts on the right. In fact, I would like to think we are less likely. However, it is PAINFULLY obvious that we have our share.

Perhaps some bloggers are really social misfits who don't have a clue how to interact in civil society. So they enter the fantasy world of the web. Don't have to face the person you are bashing. Total anonymity. You can even invent your own persona!

I think people who don't have a clue about the (DUH!) obvious standard of behavior of not pissing on someone's grave probably have some serious socialization issues on many levels, not just on this one.

I remember too well Paul Wellstone's death. On a blog in Minnesota, where I lived at the time, there were a few right wing posters, notably religious right fanatics, who were celebrating that Paul was now in hell, and spewing crap that because he supported choice he was a mass murderer like Hitler.

It is easy to see the disconnect between one's political views and one's sense of morality when you are viewing the radical religious right pissing on Wellstone's grave before it was dug. How sad to see the same sort of behavior here on DU.....different brand, same social misfit idiocy.

I think we have to examine the concept of turning those with whom we disagree into demons. This is what the religious right does, for crying out loud! We sure are hell are not going to put an end to this by acting the same way.

I think too many of us in the primaries also tended to demonize the opponents. So it was not just when Russert died, or Falwell, etc.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:00 PM
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32. It really reveals the seamy, dark side of the human psyche when it can be anonymous.
Several of the grave-dancers are obvious trolls, of course, doing JimRob's work to get DU quoted in the New York Times or something as the place where they say bad things about respected journalists.

But there are even a few legitimate DU'ers who are participating in this macabre business, and I imagine they even think of themselves as both "progressives" and decent human beings.

They are neither.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:01 PM
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33. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:11 PM
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38. K&R. nt
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:22 PM
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41. Was it really necessary to start this finger-wagging thread? Seriously?
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 06:23 PM by Raster
So your disgusted. I'm sure it's not the first time. And quite frankly, I don't think I've read one post that "reveled" in Russert's death. And please, no links to the threads you find repugnant. I don't care. Yes, there are quite a few persons with opinions, many of whom I disagree with or may find distasteful. This is to be expected, since this is an on-line message board. However they are entitled to their opinions just like you are entitled to yours and I am entitled to mine. Who died and made you Sunday-school teacher? Do you know what is just as bad as someone posting crass and tacky posts on an online, public message board? The holier-than-thou finger wagging crowd just waiting to point it out.

Get down off the cross, let's recycle the wood and build a nice deck.

And finally Russet died of "natural causes." The four soldiers in Iraq didn't. There is quite a difference.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:34 PM
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51. This is just an example of the general trend here
and I kind of do feel like I need to get up on a soap box. Look at this thread!! I mean it's just disgusting how people are ripping at Tim Russert and I'm supposed to sit passively by and say oh, it's just DUers letting off steam??? NO! I didn't have any deep or abiding affection for him although I've heard alot of nice things said about him by his peers and i venture to guess the world might be a better place of there were more gentlemen and women. It's an example of generalized lack of civility and why this country is in such trouble!! By the way, I don't think the rules forbid getting on a soapbox.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:47 PM
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55. Finger-wagging is your characterization
I actually care, Are there rules against this type of post? Especially when you read down the latest threads?? I think I can say I don't like what I see and yes you are free to say you don't care.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:27 PM
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43. Where does the vitriol come from?
Are we no longer a civil society? We are not in battle mode and shouldn't be. We are NOT at war despite what the Bushies want you to think..We are occupying a country and as they showed today thay want us to leave as well! If we are divided by BS attack dog talk we will never beat the republicans. We don't all think the same but for God's sake, I'm not running around personally insulting any specific member on this board OR putting people on ignore because I disagree with them!! The few times I've posted this year have been greeted with a ridiculous level of flame-throwing for no reason other than I didn't tow their line. How about a little open mindedness??? I really like this site and as a long-term (since 2001) paying member, I want my DU back!!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:29 PM
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45. Congratulations -- you've established your holier-than-thou cred. Now go inform yourself
Tim Russert was not your friend. He's one of BushCo's major media buddies, a role he assumed well before * was selected as Prez.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:33 PM
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48. ah, but jgraz, it's WAY too much work to inform one's self.
{WHINE}

Much more comfortable to just remain a holier-than-thou Russert canonizer who has no idea what the fok has been going on in this country.

Too many DUers have been hopelessly assimilated by the Borg.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:41 PM
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53. Wanting civility does not make me holier than thou
I'm just not into the *F* word and insults check many posts on this thread, including those who alerted on this post who felt threatened (about civilty and rudeness??) and I decided to state that. I guess many just don't want to hear that. I guess if I wanted to laugh at his death that's cool?? sick and yes, I am upset and hope it's not a general reflection of the degradation of our society. On that, where's my soap box???
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:50 PM
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57. Democrats have been too civil for too long.
The Good Germans who helped this regime deserve to be vilified, dead or alive.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:50 PM
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58. Sounds like opinion, not facts
How about some facts to back up your assertion?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:02 PM
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65. Happy to oblige
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:34 PM
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50. "By the way, four soldiers died in Iraq today."
I've watched enough Russert to know that he probably would not have mentioned that on his show.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:38 PM
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52.  I haven't seen any dancing. People just don't care that much & care about other issues more.
And there is NOTHING wrong with that.

Frankly, this bullshit of yours and others is starting to have a freeperish smell to it. :puke:
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:44 PM
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54. I guess you're right and people don't care
I care, I hate seeing threads insulting a dead man. I kinda hoped DU was better than that, guess I was wrong. Why you would think that's freeperish is odd.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:49 PM
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56. Someone posted this link yesterday and it's quite apropos today
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 06:55 PM by sleebarker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic

"Characterization of the group reaction as a moral panic requires a presumption that the group's perceptions are unfounded or exaggerated.

These reactions are often fueled by media coverage or propaganda around a social issue, although semi-spontaneous moral panics do occur. Mass hysteria can be an element in these movements, but moral panic is different from mass hysteria in that a moral panic is specifically framed in terms of morality and is usually expressed as outrage rather than fear."

Yeah, there's a sickness. The OP is part of it.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:55 PM
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61. I disagree with your application of this is in the context of this thread
There are rules of civility that govern society and they should be observed. Panic results whent here is chaos. We are not in chaos.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:52 PM
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59. Who's 'revelling'? Stop spreading the BS impression that this is somehow 'rampant'.
It's not.

Cut the shit please.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:57 PM
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62. I've been here 7 years and I have some perspective
On the change in DU. Did you read many of today's posts??
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:06 PM
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66. Did you?
There are only a small handful of posts that would even come close to "Grave Dancing" criteria. I've seen exactly *zero* posts celebrating his demise. The point is that even if they're there, there are hardly enough of them to justify an impression to the contrary.

Your OP is making a very limited issue look like an epidemic.

If you'd care to post examples, I'd be happy to admonish specific posters. Otherwise these high-flung "Shame on you all!" posts are just the sorts of reactions any trolls are looking for.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:52 PM
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60. The mean streak is DU is revolting.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:00 PM
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63. You mean "mean filament"... there's hardly much "Grave Dancing", but
there are plenty of people who have the nerve to say that they feel for those who loved him, but don't feel that his passing is worthy of so much genuflection.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:32 PM
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78. Not even 1% as prevalent or annoying as DU's sanctimonious streak.
Or maybe I missed the part where DU was created in order to praise rich media whores.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:01 PM
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64. I think you are full of crap, as I haven't seen what you speak about, no one dancing.
hmmmmmmmf.
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:10 PM
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68. I can't wait for the threads when former Democratic Vice Presidential Candidate
Joe Lieberman dies.

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pt22 Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:27 PM
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75. I'm pretty sure it's too late for that.
Zombies are just...well, zombies. :D
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:19 PM
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72. another moralizing sermon! how cool is that?
:hi:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:28 PM
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76. It's become a niche market here.
Good stuff.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:30 PM
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77. it's a total hoot!
:rofl:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:32 PM
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79. All this condemnation over comments made about 2nd rate talking head?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:38 PM
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80. locking
flamefest
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