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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:56 PM
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caracas, venezuela - gas is 12 cents a gallon
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 09:39 PM
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1. That list is an eye-opener. -nt
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 09:48 PM
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3. it really is very interesting
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 09:45 PM
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2. bump.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 09:51 PM
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4. here's the list
Nation City Price in USD Regular/Gallon
Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96
Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
Belgium Brussels $5.91
Sweden Stockholm $5.80
United Kingdom London $5.79
Germany Frankfurt $5.57
France Paris $5.54
Portugal Lisbon $5.35
Hungary Budapest $4.94
Luxembourg $4.82
Croatia Zagreb $4.81
Ireland Dublin $4.78
Switzerland Geneva $4.74
Spain Madrid $4.55
Japan Tokyo $4.24
Czech Republic Prague $4.19
Romania Bucharest $4.09
Andorra $4.08
Estonia Tallinn $3.62
Bulgaria Sofia $3.52
Brazil Brasilia $3.12
Cuba Havana $3.03
Taiwan Taipei $2.84
Lebanon Beirut $2.63
South Africa Johannesburg $2.62
Nicaragua Managua $2.61
Panama Panama City $2.19
Russia Moscow $2.10
Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74
Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91
Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78
Egypt Cairo $0.65
Nigeria Lagos $0.38
Venezuela Caracas $0.12
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices /

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 09:55 PM
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5. where does puerto rico get it's oil and/or gasoline?
do they have a sweetheart deal with venezuela? or are they somehow subsidized by the u.s. consumers?

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:55 PM
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12. Boy that idea of a cartel in 1972 and pegging the dollar
to the price of oil was genius wasn't it? All because we didn't want to pay back our debtors in gold.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:40 AM
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16. your chart appears outdated...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_usage_and_pricing

$10.11/gal in the Netherlands
$4.03/gal in the US
$.19c/gal in Venezuela

WTF is going on with these market?


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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:46 AM
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19. Ithe prices are from 2005
But I can tell you that here in France we are paying 1 euro 42 per liter. that makes 5 EURO 68 cents per gallon. Translate this to dollars at today's exchange rate (1.57 dollars per Euro) and you get 8.92 US dollars per gallon.

quote from the page you linked "All prices updated March, 2005."

three year old prices.

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PermanentRevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 09:57 PM
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6. I must point out...
"All prices updated March, 2005."

I'm sure that, proportionally, they're relatively the same still. But don't use today's US gas prices as a basis for comparison. Back in 2005, weren't we still under $3/gal?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:05 PM
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7. here - getting closer
Edited on Tue Jun-10-08 10:06 PM by spanone
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PermanentRevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:13 PM
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9. Thanks!
I like graphs better than tables, too!

:thumbsup:
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:09 PM
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8. Good point
Here's a list dated 2008. Venezuela's price has gone up to 14 cents. Gas prices in some of the other countries listed has gone down.

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices...

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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:20 PM
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10. Another bullshit list, if you'll pardon me for pointing out
the reality of the situation:

EVERY country at the bottom of the list (the ones with cheap gasoline prices) SUBSIDIZES the cost of gasoline.

Don't get fooled, folks.

Redstone
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:10 PM
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11. Of course
Many of those countries have the benefit of producing all or the majority of their own petroleum products and also may have nationalized their oil reserves as well. For whatever reasons, the prices in those countries are phenomenally lower and seem to be more stable over time. I don't know that the US has had 0.14/gal gas in my lifetime; the lowest I can recall is 0.36 (dating myself here). We're never going to have gas prices as low as major oil producing countries. That's not the point. Regardless of subsidies, it isn't just the higher cost of export or supply and demand that is driving up gas prices in the US and elsewhere; it's market speculation and commodities trading. We are being squeezed by Wall Street. How nice it is, at least in terms of price change over time, for the countries who don't have to put up with that BS.


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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:18 AM
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13. Bullshit! It's better than subsiding the oil companies as the republicans do with our tax dollars!!!
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 02:21 AM by GreenTea
I'd much rather see sudsidising (gas) for the people, not for the corporations with their tax breaks "incentives", tax cuts and hiding their money in off-shore accounts....It's our tax dollars, the workers, it should benefit us not the corporations.

Corporate welfare, that you obviously believe in!
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:12 AM
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15. I disagree...
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 05:13 AM by Jack_DeLeon
Not that we should be subsidizing the corporations, but we definitely should not be subsidizing gas. If we did it would run out all that much faster and it be much worse when we finally run out cause people would still be driving SUVs and the like instead of conserving like we are now due to high prices.

I think the free market is the best, yeah it sucks that the price of gas is high now but its alteast getting people thinking about alternatives and changing their lifestyles. Adapt or die, we need to prepare for a world without enough oil to fuel our civilization as we know it now.
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:51 AM
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22. And in fact, oil-exporting nations subsidizing internal consumption drives up global prices.
Those nations then have less to export. Part of the supply side problem isn't just that supply has grown so slowly, but that consumption in oil exporting nations has risen quickly, so that the effective supply on the global market has shrunk.

:hippie:
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Angleae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 04:26 AM
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14. This list is 3 years old
a tad out of date. ("All prices updated March, 2005.")
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:17 AM
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17. Why isn't Citgo gas that cheap here?
Hey, I'd even give them a buck per gallon add-on for transportation, another 50 cents for profit, and another 25 cents to pay the rent on that huge sign by Fenway.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:34 AM
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21. Supply and demand. Eventually gasoline prices here will start to come down...
... just as soon as we all finish switching back over to horses.
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 09:14 AM
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25. I don't think CitGo has owned that sign for ...oh, 20 years or so
I remember when CitGo was going to tear it down because they didn't want it anymore. Everyone flipped a fit and the city (I think it was the city) decided to adopt it with the company's blessing.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:20 AM
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18. What is 12 cents, as a percentage of the people's income, I wonder? That's what's important.
If a person makes $50 a month, or a year...then 12 cents is pretty damn high.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:29 AM
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20. You actually think people in Venezuela only make $50/month or per year?
There is probably a factor of 5.5 to 6.5 difference between the US and Venezuela. But even at the upper end, their gas is still less than the equivalent of $1.00

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%...
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:02 AM
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23. Wikepedia is not a valid fact source. Yes, I think S. American countries have lower wages.
If you don't, you need to read something other than Wikepedia.

For those countries whose cost of gasoline is low, and that includes a lot of countries, that is because the government subsidizes the cost.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:19 AM
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24. Yet they have 31% inflation there:
Venezuelan Inflation Accelerates to Five-Year High (Update2)

By Daniel Cancel and Matthew Walter

June 9 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuelan inflation accelerated to the fastest in almost five years, exceeding economists' estimates, after looser government price controls triggered a rise in costs for chicken and other food.

Consumer prices rose 31.4 percent in May from a year earlier, according to the benchmark index of prices in Caracas published by the central bank. The increase exceeded the 29.3 percent median forecast from 11 analysts surveyed by Bloomberg.

Venezuela's inflation is the fastest in Latin America and may accelerate further this year as the government taps revenue from oil sales to increase social spending before November state and city elections. Economic policies to curb inflation such as increased bond sales to local investors and higher interest rates are proving insufficient, said Boris Segura, an economist at Morgan Stanley in New York.

``This is worrisome,'' he said. ``We're in the midst of a macroeconomic adjustment by the government which hasn't been able to bring down inflation.''

more: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aNf...
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 09:27 AM
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26. prices are from march 2005
any updates?
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