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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:21 PM
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Are we feeling the tremors of a revolution?
There is so much wrong with our country that needs corrected. If the government will not correct it, then the people will find a way. Obama is just the first bell to ring. People want change and they want it now. People want healthcare. People want lower gas prices. People want to fly in airplanes without being X-rayed or taking off their shoes. People do not want the government spying on them or eavesdropping on their phone calls. People understand that after 9/11 that we do have people that will do us harm but they want the government to find a different way to protect us than the one they have practiced for the last 7 years. People are looking for big changes and if they do not get them, they will find another way. The Obama nomination is just a small tremor, a warning for the "big one" that is rumbling just under the surface. Senators and Congressmen, please heed the call...
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:23 PM
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1. I'd settle for the shoe thing for starters, it's low hanging fruit.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:30 PM
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6. Yeah, it's not hard to make a shoe bomb detector
Clearly, the government/corporations (one in the same) do things like making us take our shoes off, to display how authoritative and powerful they are. They think we're morons for not noticing... well, I guess most are to afraid to say anything about it. They may be right. We'll see November 4.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:33 PM
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8. They aren't detecting anything anyway, it's pure window dressing and
a total nuisance, particularly if you have a hole in your sock.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:50 PM
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22. For once I agree with you 100%. It's not security, but security theater.
The bigtgest irony is that the same people who obsess over the 2nd amendment and think Democrats want to steal everyone's guns so the UN can enslave them also tend to be completely supportive of stupid color-coded warnings, excess police authority and so on. About 30% of the population have strong authoritarian tendences.

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dawgman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:33 AM
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24. My wife thinks I am going to end up at gitmo for the comments I
make about having to take my shoes off.

It is absolutely asinine.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:24 PM
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2. We need to get rid of pelosi and feinstein and the rest of
the right wing dems who support this war that is costing us so many lives and destoying this country .We are broke,bush has sold us out to the highest bidder and we need to get rid of all the repukes and any dems that are profitting from them
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:44 PM
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9. ...
Edited on Sun Jun-08-08 09:44 PM by djohnson
(mispost, sorry)
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:42 PM
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14. I am with you.
There are to many on both sides that are taking money from the big corporations that need to go. A lot of good bills get put aside simply because lobbyists are paying the right people, leadership, on both sides to stop anything that will hurt their outrageous profits. We need to vote them out of office!
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:39 PM
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21. *LOL* I love to read silly shit like this!!!
:rofl:

EWWWW,...that Pelosi is so baaaaad.
Feinstein is just plain EVIL

Those women are hell compared to the Bush administration!!! :nuke:
Those witches have caused ALL OUR PROBLEMS!!!!!

:rofl:

:spank: Bitches!!!! :spank:

They obviously are going to be our downfall because they've failed to perform the miracles necessary to completely reverse what those old white male fuckers have damaged!!!

:grr: If they're not incompetent, they MUST BE EVIL!!! :grr:


EWWWW,...those aweful women!!!!

:evilgrin:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:21 PM
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26. I might be there with you if impeachment wasn't ceded. n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:24 PM
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3. Fuse is getting shorter and shorter too.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:25 PM
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4. We need to fight back now before it is too late
They all have to go that are making a fortune off our tax money and from other countries
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:26 PM
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5. It is rumbling isn't it? The bust of the housing market
Edited on Sun Jun-08-08 09:26 PM by MadMaddie
they are predicting a couple of major banks getting ready to tank, barrels of oil ar going through the roof....it's almost as if you can feel it in the air....

Almost like animals sensing an impending storm....
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:30 PM
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7. I think so, MadMaddie...
People will look for change in the leadership first. If that does not work, they will look for other solutions. Jittery animals before a storm? Perhaps?
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justinaforjustice Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:47 PM
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10. We Need an 8.0 Earthquake To Topple the Defense Contractors and Oil Industry Corporations.
The transnational corporations have bought and now control all too many of our politicians. They make their obscene profits from war and national security issues, so they want more war and more national security contracts -- more internment camps, More closed circuit surveillance, more expensive security equipment at airports, all at the cost of American democracy and our civil liberties, to say nothing of the lives of 4500 U.S. citizens and thousands more in the countries we have invaded.

It will take a veritable earthquake to shake them out of power, but the massive number of people who are supporting Obama give me hope that it might be possible to do so.
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:53 PM
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11. The thing is, I don't think our leaders can do much about it.
It's been going on for a long time. The unions have been broken, globalization has made us all so interconnected that if one thing goes we're all affected. There are some things that could be done through law that would alleviate short-term hardship but the notion that the economy has infinite growth is almost impossible. All things eventually come to an end sooner or later. At this point in time, it's we who are going to have to do the changing of our lifestyles, and even then it will still be hard. I agree with what Obama has said--that we have to appeal to the better nature in all of us in order to meet our goal for a happier future. (I'm paraphrasing) I believe he will be the leader we need to get us THROUGH these tough times, not the one who can get us OUT of the tough times. I don't think any president will be able to do that.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:53 PM
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12. it's the pocket book...
and it's pretty amazing to see people getting freaked. If there was ever a time that was ripe for educating it is now.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:30 PM
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13. "...please heed the call..."?
'Come senators, congressmen....Please heed the call....Don't stand in the doorway
Dont block up the hall'....yeah right, they'll 'stand in the doorway and block up the hall' all they want because that's what the corporate interest demands....and the corporations and their interests are going nowhere in the next eight years....

....there are no 'tremors of revolution', it must be the taco salad you had for supper....unless the American people could out-source their next revolution, there won't be any....Americans are fat, lazy and scared!

....we're dealing with the most brain-washed, conformist, unquestioning mass of humanity the world has ever seen, who think of themselves as marlboro men and rebels while continuously doing what they're told....

....if, Obama takes on the corporations, and survives, and wins, he has a chance to go down in history equal to or greater than FDR....

....if he caves in to or accommodates the corporate agenda, he'll just be another useless flunky who happened to be the first black corporate president....

....either way, expect the American people to do squat!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:42 PM
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15. And Obama will...do what about your little list?
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:16 PM
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16. Acknowledging the problems is the first step
Over the past 7 years we've been conditioned to feel as though we are doing something wrong by pointing out problems that need to be fixed.

McCain will take that form of denial to the next level. He clearly thinks the economy is fine, Iraq is fine, the tax structure is fine. We will be forced to just continue repressing our thoughts for the rest of our lives if McCain is elected.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:31 PM
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20. Obama has pledged to uphold the Constitution. unlike the republicans
this has been part of his stump speech and has received enormous applause from audiences when I've heard him.

He's a constitutional lawyer, so he knows what he's talking about.

btw, are you leaving soon?
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:27 PM
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28. What are you going to do... except whine about Obama?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:18 PM
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17. be careful what you ask for -- technically a revolution brings us back to the same spot.

;)

But still,I am hopeful for many good things to come from an Obama presidency.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:29 PM
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19. Depends on your definition of 'the same spot'
Obviously we don't want to go in the direction that McSame will take us. What we are talking about is a revolution that brings us back to our core values, that same spot.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:23 PM
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27. True, very true.


I was just make a small joke about the word revolution in the context of political change.

A revolution, in physical terms, is when somethings spins all the way around. Its like when someone says a person "made a 360 degree turn" to indicate a change.

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:27 PM
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18. tho the media tried to ignore the american people - we/they are PISSED
at what has happened over the last 7 years.

there is a revolution afoot. hopefully, like the Reagan revolution, this one will take place via the ballot box. This is why we all have to work to get people registered to vote, to the polls, and work as poll watchers for this election.

because - if the republicans steal this one, all hell will break loose. we're fed up. we have a candidate who wants to empower Americans to create changes this nation NEEDS. if the right wing/mil/ind. try to pull off another public execution, expect the same thing... I don't know anyone who isn't SICK of this shit. republican or democratic.

the smart republicans will realize they need to take a hit or else they will be totally destroyed. I really think this is why McCain was nominated. He will likely suppress voter turnout among the fundies and decrease their power. this is something badly needed for conservatives. Fundies are now poison for this democracy when they try to impose their pov on all of us.

If they continue to let the fundies control much of their party, I wouldn't be surprised if we had another civil war - theocrats vs. those who want to keep our democracy. it's happened elsewhere... we're not immune.

the republicans have so fucked over so many aspects of life, it's hard to understand why anyone would vote for any republican for any reason.

Most of all, this nation needs to have hearings/trials for war crimes.

This is necessary for us, as a nation, to accept reality... some still deny it... and to move back to greater respect for rule of law.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:09 AM
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23. No revolution until things get as bad as with "New Coke".
THAT got people all riled up. $4.00/gallon gasoline and the proportional increases to commodities and services isn't enough to cause change.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 09:09 AM
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25. I would suggest we are already in the midst of a revolution...
We just don't recognize it yet. No torches or pitchforks. Obama's nomination is a revolutionary act, in my opinion.
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