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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:12 AM
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Sibel Edmonds Case: More Destruction of Evidence re Nuclear Black Market
It's remarkable, really.

The US government has taken some extreme measures to silence former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds. Among other reasons, they are obviously very nervous about information that Sibel has regarding the involvement of US, Israeli, and Turkish officials in supplying the nuclear black market.

Now we have this: The US Government apparently demanded that the Swiss government destroy all evidence - all 30,000 pages of it - related to the pending prosecution of the Tinner family. The Tinners were "very key suppliers" of AQ Khan's nuclear proliferation network, but their court case is now unlikely to proceed, given the destruction of the evidence.

Basic Facts
The Tinners, the father and two sons, were arrested by German authorities and extradited to Switzerland in 2004 for their role in supplying the A.Q. Khan nuclear proliferation network.

Two weeks ago, the Swiss President, responding to media reports, read out a prepared statement announcing that all the evidence relating to the Tinners' case was destroyed late last year. He said that it was important to destroy all the evidence, which included sensitive information about how to make nuclear weapons, in case the information fell into the hands of terrorists. He also stated that Switzerland was merely meeting its obligations under the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty and that the IAEA supervised the destruction of the documents.

That sounds reasonable.

The Questions
Unilateral Decision Making. The Swiss government is under pressure internally as a result of its unilateral decision to destroy the evidence. Both the parliament and the courts are accusing the Swiss government of violating the principle of Separation of Powers. The Parliament has already announced that it will hold an investigation into the matter.

Why the Secrecy? The announcement that the evidence was destroyed (6 months ago) was forced on the Swiss President by rumours in the media. The Swiss government refuses to answer any questions regarding the matter, as do the IAEA and the US government.

NPT Obligations? I haven't seen any media report which confirms or supports the Swiss claim that this destruction of evidence was an obligation under the NPT. However the Guardian, which has the best reporting on this story, quotes a 'former senior IAEA official' saying: "I am quite astonished. It's very unusual to see people destroying documents like this. They should be put somewhere very safe."

The destruction of evidence took place with the apparent imprimatur of the IAEA, but they refuse to comment too. Has the IAEA been corrupted too?

US Involvement
Virtually every media article about this matter - including those articles preceding the official announcement - notes the strong suspicion that the Swiss Government acted on behalf of the US Government, specifically the CIA. The Guardian has the details:
"While the Swiss government maintains the treasure trove of nuclear intelligence was destroyed for reasons of national security, the Americans may have been involved because Tinner is believed to have also been working for the CIA. Albright said Tinner was recruited by the American agency from 1999-2000.

"The Swiss were doing other people's dirty work," said an international official familiar with the investigation into the Khan network. "The allegation is that Urs (Tinner) was on the CIA payroll for a very large sum of money."
<...>
The Americans were also present (at the destruction), according to the international official. "The Americans were involved in the destruction. They were calling the shots," he said.
<...>
Had the evidence been presented in court, compromising and embarrassing information about the CIA's activities with the Khan network could have surfaced, say experts and officials. "
Time Magazine has a more benign take on the reasons that the CIA might have wanted the evidence destroyed:
"The official stonewalling has fueled speculation that the United States, and specifically the CIA, has pressured the Swiss government to destroy the documents to aid its own efforts to stop nuclear smuggling, whatever the effect on the Tinners' trials. (emphasis mine)"
One item that I have not seen mentioned in any of the recent press reports is that the US government actively hindered the Swiss investigation into the Tinners for at least 18 months. In May 2006, former weapons inspector David Albright testified in Congress that the US government had been stonewalling the Swiss investigation:
"The U.S. Government Needs to Cooperate With Swiss Prosecutions of the Tinners.

Although the focus today is on Pakistan and unanswered questions about the Khan network, the United States has been remiss in assisting the overseas prosecution of key members of the Khan network. The United States has ignored multiple requests from Swiss prosecutors for cooperation that have extended over a year.
<...>
The (Swiss) Office of the Attorney General is disappointed over this matter. It is difficult to understand the actions of the U.S. Government. Its lack of assistance needlessly complicates this important investigation.
<...>
The United States should respond to the Swiss requests for assistance as quickly as possible. To continue to ignore these requests undermines the vital prosecution of key members of the Khan network and risks undercutting support for Swiss cooperation in non-proliferation matters. In addition, I find this lack of cooperation frankly embarrassing to the United States and those of us who believe that the United States should take the lead in bringing members of the Khan network to justice for arming our enemies with nuclear weapons."
In an interview on Democracy Now a week later, Albright said that he finds the US stonewalling "disturbing and perplexing," "mystifying" and "embarrassing as an American," adding:
"The signal (the U.S. government is) sending is that it doesn’t want the Swiss to prosecute these three people, and yet they provide no reason for that."
Albright's perspective certainly add some important context to the allegations that the US government pressured the Swiss to destroy the Tinner files in order to prevent a public trial - and all that might entail...

Secrecy
The Tinner case brings to mind the Sibel Edmonds case, in terms of the underlying issues, the secrecy, and the destruction of evidence.

One of the key issues in Sibel's case is the involvement of American, Turkish and Israeli officials in supplying the nuclear black market, including the so-called AQ Khan network. See the UK's Times' "For sale: West’s deadly nuclear secrets:
Edmonds described how foreign intelligence agents had enlisted the support of US officials to acquire a network of moles in sensitive military and nuclear institutions.
<...>
Her story shows just how much the West was infiltrated by foreign states seeking nuclear secrets. It illustrates how western government officials turned a blind eye to, or were even helping, countries such as Pakistan acquire bomb technology.
In order to keep this information from becoming public, Sibel's case has been swept under the blanket of secrecy by the invocation of the State Secrets Privilege.

Destruction of Evidence
In a subsequent article, The Times also reported that the FBI "has been accused of covering up a file detailing government dealings with a network stealing nuclear secrets." The case file, 203A-WF-210023, was known to exist, but the FBI now denies that it exists. The question at the time was whether the FBI was lying about the existence of the file, or whether the case file, which contained all the evidence of a multi-year counterintelligence investigation, had been destroyed. I had been leaning toward the option that the FBI was hiding the existence of the file, but given that the US government has apparently been able to orchestrate the destruction of evidence in the Swiss Tinner case, it's easier to imagine that they could, and would, destroy their own case file.

Tenuous Justifications
The main argument for the destruction of the Tinner evidence is that it had to be destroyed in case the nuclear blueprints somehow got into the hands of terrorists or rogue states. This is obviously a worthy objective, however:
a) Copies of the exact same information are known to exist elsewhere, and is suspected to be on the Khan network computers in Dubai.
b) There is no indication in any of the media reports that any effort was made to destroy only the sensitive information while maintaining the evidence required to prosecute the Tinners.
c) The US (and UK) allowed the network to proliferate nuclear hardware and nuclear know-how for years without apparently being concerned about the fallout. Why the concern all of a sudden with the Tinner case?

The Times accurately described how the US has ignored proliferation for years, without any apparent concern:
"The wider nuclear network has been monitored for many years by a joint Anglo-American intelligence effort. But rather than shut it down, investigations by law enforcement bodies such as the FBI and Britain’s Revenue & Customs have been aborted to preserve diplomatic relations."


In Sibel's case, the FBI watched while the network delivered nuclear product not only to their acknowledged end-customers, but also while freelancers within the network made copies of the information stolen "from every nuclear agency in the United States" and sold it to the highest bidder. There's no indication that the US government did anything to stop the flow of any of this information at the time, but rather went to extraordinary lengths to ensure that Sibel's knowledge of these events did not become public. Similarly, people at the Pentagon and State Department were able to ensure that the honest counterintelligence agents at the FBI were prevented from moving forward on any of their multi-year investigations that had discovered all of these nefarious activities.

After all this, we are now being asked to believe that the destruction of evidence in the Tinner case is to prevent secure information from getting in the hands of terrorists? Please.

Where is the Media?
One other similarity between Sibel's case and the Tinner case is the absence of the US mainstream media. The Tinner case broke on May 23. The Guardian article was on May 31. The US media has been completely AWOL on this story, apart from a single AP story that ran in some venues on May 23. UPI ran a short article based on the Guardian story, and Time ran an article on June 3. The New York Times hasn't run a single article on the story.

The silence (1,2) is baffling.

Summary
The US government has done just about everything it can to ensure that Sibel Edmonds is prohibited from spilling the beans on what she knows about the nuclear black market, among other things. Now we see the hand of the US government apparently reaching into a foreign democracy, exporting the concept of the 'unitary executive' and upsetting the balance of powers, to destroy evidence which was to be used to prosecute crimes involving the spread of nuclear weapons to rogue regimes.

The US government had previously demonstrated that it didn't wanted to prosecute these crimes, therefore their flimsy ex-poste rationales for destroying the evidence, in secret, need to be held up for extra scrutiny.

What's going on???

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Crossposted at Let Sibel Edmonds Speak

For more background on Sibel's case and the nuclear black market, see my "Sibel Edmonds Case: Nukes for sale (Pt 2)" and "Sibel Edmonds Case: Benazir and The 'Islamic' Bomb"
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:15 AM
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1. "The Swiss were doing other people's dirty work"
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:36 AM
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29. While they declare neutrality in things,
they do have a history of enabling others in the commission of hiding things.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:16 AM
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2. Recommended.
Thanks lukery.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:23 AM
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3. Where, oh where is that case file?
All copies in existence and communications gone? Who knows?
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:32 AM
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4. K & R
Thorough job, Lukery. Excellent as always.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:48 AM
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8. HUMINT
In a worst-case scenario, there are DOZENS of people in the USG who are aware of Sibel's case - many of them very senior.

We know the names, we know the details...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:57 AM
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10. Knowledge is power.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:36 AM
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5. Amazing story -- great post.
I am bookmarking this for later when I have more time to read it.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:39 AM
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6. MSM
"The US media has been completely AWOL on this story...": The usual, ey?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:03 AM
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12. it's a bad habit of theirs...
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:11 AM
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14. BUT
...at least they are CONSISTENT!;-)
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:54 AM
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9. sorry it is so long
it's a bad habit of mine...
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:39 AM
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7. Fear of exposing a secret government agency
The agency for creating enemies where there were none before. All dictatorships have one.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:01 AM
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11. NYT ED on Hastert
""Mr. Hastert, the G.O.P. stalwart who presided during the Jack Abramoff lobbying corruption debacle and the Mark Foley House page scandal, joined a blue-chip lobbying firm this week as a “strategic counsellor” at an annual salary estimated at $500,000-plus. Mr. Hastert, who has set the sky-box level for politicians second-careering, joins the more prized Congressional and executive alumni who schmooze old pals still in power without the need to formally register as day-to-day lobbyists.

We never really expected Mr. Hastert to indulge the Jeffersonian fantasy and humbly return to his old calling as a high school wrestling coach. Still, his new job as access-enabler highlights the capital reality that old incumbents never die; they just backslap away."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/opinion/06fri2.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:08 AM
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13. More Hastert...
www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-hastert-both-24mar24,0,7000972.story

chicagotribune.com
NAPERVILLE
Retired House Speaker Dennis Hastert takes job at Naperville firm
Hastert hired as strategic adviser at The Goeken Group Corp., a medical records firm
Tribune staff report

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:12 AM
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15. Great.
The more eyes on him, the better.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:23 AM
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18. LOL
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:21 PM
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39. Though the "more eyes" on him might get rather painful for some after a while!
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 07:25 PM by calipendence
:)



"Fat Bastert" Hastert

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:18 PM
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41. My eyes, my eyes
I can't see
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:17 AM
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16. Man, I wish I could get a $500K a year job to schmooze
"Hey Bob, I like your tie. How are the wife & kids?"

"Mrs Smith, I love your new dress. I heard your son will be going to Duke in the Fall, that's great."

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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:22 AM
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24. "steak or fish" n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:33 AM
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25. Yeah, schmooze and do damage.
Everyone seems to be for sale.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:20 AM
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17. i always thought the "Bent Spear" event of lost nukes on the B52 were going to Israel ..>LINK>>
link to the Chaney involvement in ilegal distribution of nuke material, technology and hardware
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x66773
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:25 AM
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19. Turkey
One thing I didnt mention in my piece (trying to keep it short) is that when the Tinners manufactured their hardware, they then sent it Turkey where it became one step closer to the end product.

The USG appears to go out of its way to hide Turkish involvement in this network.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:30 AM
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20. And More
...add to that: BBC China-Selim Alguadis case + Asher Karni & Zeki Bilmen...as you see the list keeps getting longer!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:37 AM
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21. Turkey like Columbia has turned into the Black Market
middle men and lets add Mexico

Yes we had traitors in our midst in the Congress in the FBI in the CIA and Military all selling WMD
secretly meanwhile putting on for show for the public their concern for WMD

and meanwhile destroying our Intel agencies
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:21 AM
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28. It looks like Turkey just now is starting to boil on domestic spying itself!
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 11:29 AM by calipendence
This looks to be related to the recent controversial sale of state run media Sabah-ATV to the growingly infamous rich Turk Ahmet Calik through significant help of Prime Minister Erdogan who appeared to have "engineered" this sale.

It sounds like the court ruling around this case has the side effect of mandating that the Turkish police can "monitor" every phone and online communication within Turkey.

From Hurriyet:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/turkey/9096358.asp?gid=231&sz=17625

Turkey's CHP's number two under pressure to resign
The pressure is mounting for Turkey's main opposition party CHP's General Secretary Onder Sav's resignation after his claims of being illegally tapped were proved groundless and a document surfaced which shows he paid money to a TV channel.



Sav claimed last week his office was tapped by security forces after an Islamist newspaper published word-for-word his conversation during a meeting with a governor. The incident sparked a fierce debate over illegal tapping, in which a court ruling was revealed that mandated the Turkish police to "monitor" every phone and online communication within the country.

However, the incident turned out to be a result of Sav's clumsiness. Islamist Vakit daily revealed a document of phone records that showed their correspondents listened the conversation between the main opposition party CHP's second man and a governor from Onder Sav's cell phone which he left open by mistake. Vakit's claims were later confirmed by Sav's GSM operator, Turkcell.

...

CHP has long criticized the ruling AKP for creating its own media after the controversial sale of the liberal Sabah-ATV to Calik Group and its Qatari partner; and Kanalturk's sale to the Akin Group.


Also the loans that were used by the Calik Group to finance its acquisition of Sabah-ATV are now being probed by bank regulator BDDK.

From:

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=106275

Bank Regulator probes loans to Çalık
Wednesday, June 4, 2008

The Banking Regulation and Supervision Agency (BDDK) launched an investigation into loans made by state-run banks Halkbank and Vakıfbank to finance a media acquisition, daily Vatan reported. Tevfik Bilgin, the chief regulator, ordered the probe after an application by an opposition lawmaker who warned that the loans may cause financial losses, the newspaper said and noted the inquiry is likely to last at least a month.ISTANBUL - Bloomberg

...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:29 PM
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34. When there are secrets to protect, especially
any involving wrong doing or perceived wrongdoing, domestic spying seems to be the chosen method to try to keep it secret.
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RoseMead Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:58 AM
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22. IMO This is one of the most important stories
that nobody knows about. Thanks for compiling and posting this information.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:05 AM
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23. Let's change that
Thanks for the words of encouragement.

Let's make this an important story that everyone knows about...
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RoseMead Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:24 PM
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32. I think the complexity of the story is part of the problem
This is a big narrative, with lots of players involved, and the average person has no idea who these people and organizations are. I think that even if it were being promoted in the MSM, many people might have trouble understanding all of it; I'm reminded of BCCI as another example of the same kind of issue. I've tried to explain this story to people I know, and I can see their eyes glazing over as I speak. But you do a good job of explaining things, and I frequently refer people to your website and to Sibel's.

Sibel and the other whistleblowers are heroes, and I'm grateful for the sacrifices they've made, and continue to make, to expose corruption.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:53 AM
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26. Evidence appears to be mounting that certain US officials are in the PROliferation business.
If so, such activities constitute treason.

If so, truth is stranger than fiction.

Thanks for all your work on this issue. I don't know if Sibel's case will ever see the light of day,...but, one can always hope.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:02 AM
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27. Yes, it seems very much so.
In many volatile areas of the world. A truly multipolar world in terms of the worst weapons out there.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:40 AM
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30. Makes one wonder what this set of rumors on Musharraf's visit to Turkey that was "canceled"...
and then was denied as having ever been planned... I wonder what the fly on the wall in Musharraf's office is hearing talking about this stuff!

http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40672&Itemid=2

FO clarifies news about President’s Turkey visit

ISLAMABAD, Jun 6 (APP): A Foreign Office spokesman on Friday described a news item about the cancellation of President Pervez Musharraf’s visit to Turkey as “baseless and misleading”.

“Since no visit of the President was scheduled for Turkey, the question of its cancellation does not arise,” he said while responding to a question.

“The news item was baseless and misleading,” the spokesman added.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:16 PM
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31. Interesting.
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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:05 PM
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33. k&r
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:30 PM
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35. K&RRR ....
You might also be interested in what is happening at the Israeli Parliament. I don't know if any of this is related to the above corruption, but I wouldn't be surprised:



http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3548995,00.html

Likud: Date must be set to disperse Kinesset

In a statement issued following the press conference held by Defense Minster Ehud Barak in which he called on Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to resign, the Likud wrote: "Enough of these political maneuverings. The great challenges this country faces demand we establish a new, strong government.

"The Likud calls on all the House factions, from both the Right and the Left, to set a date for the dispersal of the Knesset and new elections." (Amnon Meranda)



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24544256/

Calls mount for Olmert's resignation

JERUSALEM - Calls for Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's resignation mounted on Friday as police probed allegations that he accepted hundreds of thousands of campaign dollars in cash-stuffed envelopes from a U.S. citizen.

The investigation into Olmert's fiscal conduct is the fifth in two years and threatens to force him from office and derail troubled peace talks with the Palestinians.

...

Investigators are examining where the illegal contributions went, although it appears the money "disappeared" in the direction of his political party at the time, Likud, a police official said Friday. He spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.


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ajeffersonian Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:47 PM
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36. Oh, the madness of power
Thanks for such a well researched piece.

Their argument for destruction of the documents is absurd, all the government had to do was take the "nuclear blueprints" and store them where we have the thousands and thousands of other "nuclear blueprints" stored - and then allow the remaining incriminating documents to be used for prosecution.

Just another in a long line of cover ups - but this one is extremely dangerous.

Lukery, keep it up
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 04:26 PM
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38. Yes, Indeed
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:34 PM
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40. exactly
in fact, they already have copies of this exact same information stored somewhere...

sheesh
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:54 PM
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37. K&R
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:08 PM
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42. I wonder if there's a connection to the extradition of Maher Arar.
I found the last paragraph in this excerpt a bit puzzling today:


(06-05) 17:30 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) --

A leading Homeland Security Department investigator said Thursday his office is re-examining the conclusions of a probe that exonerated the government in the case of a Canadian engineer who was seized by U.S. officials, sent to Syria and allegedly tortured.

The chief of internal investigations at the Homeland Security Department, Richard Skinner, also said at a congressional hearing that his office could not rule out that the United States wanted to send Maher Arar to Syria because it believed he could be interrogated with methods that would be illegal in the United States, including torture. He said the Justice Department had been informed and had opened its own investigation.

snip

U.S. immigration officials determined that Arar could be legally deported to Canada, Syria or Switzerland. Skinner said that Switzerland was ruled out for reasons that are classified. In written testimony, he said Arar requested to be returned to Canada, but the Justice Department determined that doing so would be "prejudicial to the interest of the United States."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/06/05/national/w081400D36.DTL&hw=arar&sn=001&sc=1000
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:17 PM
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43. They also used state secrets privilege to stop Maher Arar's lawsuit as well...

So they are using the same MO to cover up his case as they are covering up the other stuff mentioned here.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:02 PM
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44. "State secrets"
has morphed into "We can't tell you what we did because torture is illegal".

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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:43 PM
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46. exactly n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:07 PM
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45. Hey lukery - any insight to what Sibel expects will happen if congress and senate have a
cooperative WH in 2009?

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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:02 PM
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47. not very confident
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 11:02 PM by lukery
After the performance of the Dem Congress since 2006, I don't think that she has much reason to be confident.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 12:10 AM
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48. kicking and saving. to read every link.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:05 AM
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49. K&R
:patriot:
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ArmeniansForObama Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 03:03 AM
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50. Re: Sibel Edmonds Case: More Destruction of Evidence re Nuclear Black Market
Maybe if a US President had the guts to properly recognize the Armenian Genocide, we wouldn't have to worry about Turkish officials bribing our politicians to deny the genocide. At least Obama shows moral fortitude here in a question/answer session about the genocide: Obama on the Armenian Genocide
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 05:33 AM
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51. I Guess the US Government Wants More Wars
Placing a stick of dynamite in the hands of possible enemies to blow us innocent Americans away. I'm not sure our enemies are really foreign.
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