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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:09 PM
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Ari Fleischer Takes the Fifth, Turns State Evidence on INR memo -- even against Bush himself?
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 11:26 PM by Dems Will Win


This is from Oct. 2005, from a DailyKOS blogger, Sherlock Google. Sherlock surmises from all the evidence that Ari flipped -- and we now know that Ari took the Fifth and did turn State evidence against the White House. Fitz got Ari to testify under immunity from prosecution. That's why Ari resigned.

The question is: did Ari testify against Bush himself -- who was on the flight in July where the INR report was passed around and was a hot topic. Did Bush know and order Plame's name revealed on the flight to Africa on Air Force One? Right when Ari was notified he would be forced to testify, he announced his resignation, and in June of 2004, both Bush and Cheney LAWYERED UP!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/8/153415/917

Ari Fleischer Guilty in Leak Case? Did He Testify Against Bush?

Don't be surprised if former WH PRess Secretary Ari Fleischer is indicted soon by the Plame Grand Jury. Although in his testimony, Fleischer denied reading the INR memo on AF One, "Comical Ari" was said to have been seen reading it. This could mean a perjury charge.

And Ari's log shows a call from Novakula the day after the July 6 Wilson article came out! Rove said Novak told him the name. Did Ari tell Robert who then told Karl? Or is that just more Karl CYA?

And did Ari "flip" for Fitz and testify against Bush?!?!


...

Among those asked if he had seen the memo was Ari Fleischer, then the White House press secretary, who was on Air Force One with Mr. Bush and Mr. Powell during the Africa trip. Mr. Fleischer told the grand jury that he never saw the document, a person familiar with the testimony said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the prosecutor's admonitions about not disclosing what is said to the grand jury.

Mr. Fleischer's role has been scrutinized by investigators, in part because his telephone log showed a call on the day after Mr. Wilson's article appeared from Mr. Novak, the columnist who, on July 14, 2003, was the first to report Ms. Wilson's identity.

In his column, Mr. Novak referred to her by her maiden name, Valerie Plame, which she had used when first employed by the C.I.A. Mr. Fleischer has told the grand jury that he did not return Mr. Novak's call, a person familiar with the testimony said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/22/politics/22leak.html?

On the same day the memo was prepared, White House phone logs show Novak placed a call to White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, according to lawyers familiar with the case and a witness who has testified before the grand jury. Those people say it is not clear whether Fleischer returned the call, and Fleischer has refused to comment.

The Novak call may loom large in the investigation because Fleischer was among a group of administration officials who left Washington later that day on a presidential trip to Africa. On the flight to Africa, Fleischer was seen perusing the State Department memo on Wilson and his wife, according to a former administration official who was also on the trip.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=awksAN7mYRZY&refer=us

Technically, Rove was in charge of politics, not "communications." But, as he saw it, the two were one and the same—and he used his heavyweight status to push the message machine run by his Texas protegé and friend, Dan Bartlett. Press Secretary Ari Fleischer was sent out to trash the Wilson op-ed. "Zero, nada, nothing new here," he said. Then, on a long Bush trip to Africa, Fleischer and Bartlett prompted clusters of reporters to look into the bureaucratic origins of the Wilson trip. How did the spin doctors know to cast that lure? One possible explanation: some aides may have read the State Department intel memo, which Powell had brought with him aboard Air Force One.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8600327/site/newsweek/print/1/displaymode/1098

Near the end of a round table discussion on ABC’s This Week, George Stephanopoulos dropped this bomb:

Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it’s a manageable one for the White House especially if we don’t know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions.


This would explain why Bush spent more than an hour answering questions from special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. It would also fundamentally change the dynamics of the scandal. President Bush could no longer claim he was merely a bystander who wants to “get to the bottom of it.” As Stephanopoulos notes, if Bush played a direct role it could make this scandal completely unmanageable.

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/02/bush-directly-involved/



The only former administration official on the trip was Colin Powell. Colin dropped the dime on Ari, who could have called Novak back from AF One, as the AF One records do not show WHO places the call! Plus they are encrypted and Fitz fought to get the AF One logs to see what they did show and it took quite a long time to get them. We also do not know who Novak fingered.

I think we've all missed Comical Ari's role in all this.

... I wouldn't be surprised if Ari and Colin told Fitz that Bush was in on the July 7 discussions about the memo and Wilson. Did Ari testify against Bush?


Progressive blogger investigative speculation turns real! Will the rest of the speculative thread come true as well? Comical Ari testifies against Bush as well. Ari's career went NOWHERE after leaving the WH, btw -- if that tells you anything!

Here's John Dean on Bush lawyering up in June 2004:

Asking a President to testify - or even be interviewed - remains a serious, sensitive and rare occasion. It is not done lightly. Doing so raises separation of powers concerns that continue to worry many.

Instead, it seems the investigators are seeking to connect up with, and then speak with, persons who have links to and from the leaked information - and those persons, it seems, probably include the President. (I should stress, however, that I do not have access to grand jury testimony, and that grand jury proceedings are secret. But the facts that are properly public do allow some inference and commentary about what likely is occurring in the grand jury.)

Undoubtedly, those from the White House have been asked if they spoke with the president about the leak. It appears that one or more of them may indeed have done so. .

If so - and if the person revealed the leaker's identity to the President, or if the President decided he preferred not to know the leaker's identity. -- then this fact could conflict with Bush's remarkably broad public statements on the issue. He has said that he did not know of "anybody in administration who leaked classified information." He has also said that he wanted "to know the truth" about this leak.

If Bush is called before the grand jury, it is likely because Fitzgerald believes that he knows much more about this leak than he has stated publicly.

Perhaps Bush may have knowledge not only of the leaker, but also of efforts to make this issue go away - if indeed there have been any. It is remarkably easy to obstruct justice, and this matter has been under various phases of an investigation by the Justice Department since it was referred by the CIA last summer.

It seems very possible the leaker - or leakers, for two government sources were initially cited by columnist Robert Novak -- may have panicked, covered up his (or their) illegality, and in doing so, committed further crimes. If so, did the President hear of it? Was he willfully blind? Was he himself the victim of a cover-up by underlings? The grand jury may be interested in any or all of these possibilities.

What Might a Private Attorney Advise Bush to Do?

It is possible that Bush is consulting Sharp only out of an excess of caution - despite the fact that he knows nothing of the leak, or of any possible coverup of the leak. But that's not likely.

On this subject, I spoke with an experienced former federal prosecutor who works in Washington, specializing in white collar criminal defense (but who does not know Sharp). That attorney told me that he is baffled by Bush's move - unless Bush has knowledge of the leak. "It would not seem that the President needs to consult personal counsel, thereby preserving the attorney-client privilege, if he has no knowledge about the leak," he told me.


What advice might Bush get from a private defense counsel? The lawyer I consulted opined that, "If he does have knowledge about the leak and does not plan to disclose it, the only good legaladvice would be to take the Fifth, rather than lie. The political fallout is a separate issue."

- John Dean
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20040604.html


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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:14 PM
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1. Great find!
K&R.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:15 PM
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I believe that Ari was granted immunity
Apparently he took the 5th when he was questioned the first time and he agreed to cooperate if he was promised immunity.

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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:20 PM
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3. Right after Ari testified, Bush lawyered up and had to go testify!
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:15 PM
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2. Boy howdy, I need front row seats!
K&R!
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:21 PM
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4. Straight to the top
This is all going very interesting.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:24 PM
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5. when will this be revealed?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:30 PM
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6. This is just the first month of Fitzmas, it will likely go all year
before Fitz gets to Cheney and then finally Bush. It took Fitz several years to get Republican Gov. Ryan convicted -- he always goes for the top banana.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:31 PM
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7. sorry Ari
The is no 5th amendment anymore. * threw that damned piece o'paper in the garbage can so you are outta luck I think. :sarcasm:

:dem: :kick:
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:39 PM
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8. how can you take the fifth when you've been given immunity?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:46 PM
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10. it's my understanding that he invoked his fifth amendment rights...
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 11:47 PM by mike_c
...before being granted immunity, and only testified after receiving protection from prosecution.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:42 PM
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22. Does his Immunity still stands if this goes to Congress trial
or is that a whole different set of rules
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:44 PM
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9. Thank you for this post and thank you Mr. Dean nm
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:40 AM
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11. That old speculative Kos post has been superceded by info that has come out since that time.
And you also have some incorrect info about when and why Ari resigned. Fleischer's resignation had nothing to do with the Plame investigation because the investigation simply didn't exist at the time. Fleischer announced in May 2003, before this all went down, that he would be leaving his WH post that summer. He left the WH in July 2003. The DOJ investigation didn't start until October 2003. Fitz was appointed Special Counsel Dec 30. And there was no grand jury involved in the investigation until late Jan/early Feb 2004.

Other info that should be noted:

Ari told the grand jury he first learned about Valerie Wilson's CIA employment from Libby, then Dan Bartlett. Also said he didn't return Novak's call. He testified under a grant of immunity from prosecution. Apparently Ari will be a witness against Libby.

Armitage was Novak's first source about Valerie Wilson's employment. Rove was his other source.

The hit on Wilson and his wife was already on before Wilson went public in his July 6 op ed and the subsequent Africa trip. Libby was talking about Wilson & his wife to Judy Miller on June 23. Wanted to get the word out without tracebacks to the Administration, wanted the attribution to be to a "former Hill staffer" rather than an administration official.

The INR (State Dept) memo was available to Libby in early June and Libby also was being briefed on Valerie Wilson by the CIA and Cheney in early June also. And Libby told Ari and Rove and likely others.

The hit on Wilson, with its genesis in the Office of the VP, was in motion before Wilson went public and the trip to Africa. After Wilson went public they took it wider, but I think the emphasis on the memo on AF 1 has been more of a red herring since the info was available at least a month earlier and Libby was trying to get the Plame info into the press as early as June 23.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:57 AM
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12. Correct.
Mr. Eckenrode and Mr. Fitzgerald were primarily interested in President Bush's account regarding the declassification of the NIE.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:10 PM
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13. As arrogant and contemptuous as Dick and DUHbya are,
they'll obstruct, obfuscate, and finally, refuse to testify under some claim of privilege, dragging the trial out for as long as possible.

I wonder...wouldn't it be funny if they dragged it out long enough that the convictions came too late for DUHbya to pardon anyone?

Newsprism
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:10 PM
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14. So Much For The Premise 'No Man is Above the Law' The Nixon Pardon
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 08:06 PM by DianaForRussFeingold
As far as Nixon's personal involvement in the same criminal conspiracy for which his aides were soon to be tried (and convicted) put to the test the maxim that 'No Man is Above the Law'.
Ford had pardoned Richard Nixon for all crimes he committed or "may have committed" while president. Nixon issued a statement admitting only to "mistakes" and "misjudgments," saying that he "was wrong in not acting more decisively and more forthrightly in dealing with Watergate. " IMHO,'Cheney' I mean Bush, may classify the entire Wilson, Plame,Niger, affair. I expect that Chaney will resign and bush might pardon everyone involved in the scandal,and at the same time pardon any and all, alleged misdeeds, during his administration. The whitehouse could issue a statement something like,there were misjudgments on the matter, case Closed! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXPP-Ll5nQ8 watergate in a nutshell

:popcorn:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:13 PM
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15. Here's a group portrait


from the Africa Trip. Even Pickles was there.

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Herman74 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:27 PM
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16. The Clever guys at TOOSTUPIDTOBEPRESIDENT.COM...
presciently foretold that Ari was involved (before most even had the slightest idea)at the end of their funny "Get Stupid" video:

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/get_stupid.htm
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:34 PM
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20. Well worth watching!
And welcome to DU, Herman74.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:33 PM
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17. k&r
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:47 PM
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18. OMG - are our dreams really gonna come true???
Will we really see these rat bastards convicted of multiple felonies?????
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:52 PM
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19. Well Ari's mom is a Democrat
I remember when Ari was on Leno he mentioned that his
mom hated that he worked for bush .
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:37 PM
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21. Heh, heh, what's that sound? - n/t
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:25 PM
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23. Well, Take the fifth is what recommended by Dean. Congress would impeach
right after this trial most definitely.

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