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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:02 PM
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Bu*h could be impeached even now -right??
I mean - Articles could be drawn up even now - isn't it??

Probably won't effect his "stay in office" maybe - but that isn't really the point anymore.

What a signal to the world that we have come to our senses as a country. And the man has a 20 whatever percent approval rating - he can't survive such a challenge I think.

I am strongly in favor of the unity ticket - assure the election - and an immediate move to impeach. That couldn't be politically difficult at that point.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:05 PM
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1. Bill, what I have heard...
Is that certain interested parties in DC have chosen to NOT pursue impeachment proceedings and other legal action because they do not want to "tell" their real interests:

Waiting until Dear Leader is out of office and unable to pardon everyone and his three-legged dog.

Apparently, the real fun is supposed to be held for after the inaguration and seating of the new congress.

Grain of salt indicated here.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:08 PM
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2. I hope that grain of salt turns into a rush for justice
I hope they arrest bu$h and Cheney before they can get to the border when the time comes.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:10 PM
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3. Good point about waiting until a new pres. is in--ALSO, anyone, presumably,
could bring charges against ANY member of the Bush cabal, once they're out of office. Assuming they don't all decamp to Paraguay or Dubai or something.
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:17 PM
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5. Tell me this - what is the immunity statute for actions of a
president when in office. Once he is out - what are the odds of anyone pursuing him - for anything?

You think this is about him - not to me - it is about making sure this NEVER happens again.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:26 PM
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7. As I understand it, impeachment can still happen after a president leaves office.
For the sake of future generations, it must be done. And as the posters above suggest, it may be even more likely to happen once his pardon power is gone. Any excuses for not impeaching at that point will amount to complicity.
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:30 PM
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10. An impeachment is just a trial. The difference is it is a trial by
congress - the ultimate court.

I do not believe it is possible to impeach him once he is not in office - on anything but a strange theoretical basis - that would never ever happen.
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:14 PM
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4. I am so sick of the political excuses - the "wating" thing -
I have been a democrat for a long time - and I don't remember this party being so "weaked legged"

There is only one courtroom - and that is exactly what congress would be - to telegraph our intentions to the world.

We are the United States - our history is that - when we screw up, we screw up royaly - but when we try and fix that - we do it with grand voice too.

That makes us the United States - who we are.The last best hope.

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NWPatriot Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:28 PM
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9. This is what I think....
...and please forgive me, but I haven't been here as a poster too long. Lurker, yes...a long time.

I am thinking that no one is going to draw up impeachment papers on either of them. Why? Unless the Congress-person or Senator that does so has an utterly spotlessly-clean, 100% "dirt-free" record, you just KNOW the Republicans will be all over them like white on rice.

Now, I'm not saying that EVERYONE has dirt in their past, and it very likely that those on our side of the aisle have far less dirt per-capita than the other guys...but they're going to have to watch themselves and make doubly-sure that they have NOTHING the Repubs and the news media can point to to and go "Aha! Aha! There it is!".

I'd say the likelihood of either of them coming up on charges/impeachment is less than 20% (remember...that's just a guess).
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:35 PM
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12. Oh - I think you make an astute point - and I think the odds are
even less than 20%.

But you know - when the revolution happened in the 18th century - I wouldn't give the odds of success at more than 5% - either.

I think we do the right thing as a country - reluctantly, by accident, by luck - but I think we do in the end somehow. I think we better.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:22 PM
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6. He would just pardon himself before he left office.
I say squash the impeachment notions and hit his administration with some war crimes on their way out the door. Have a police car waiting to take them away on their last day. :rofl:
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:26 PM
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8. If WE don't police our own - makes us look so weak.
You know - if this did happen - it will suck the life out of news cycles right through the election. If it happened - over the war, or B*sh policies generally - it will suck M**** right down the drain - you think??

Seems the right thing to do - on all levels.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:32 PM
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11. Bush impeachment wouldn't hurt McCain as much as you think
Bush bombing Iran however, might even force McCain to denounce him. :rofl:

The Bush administration has proven themselves to be adept politicians at expanding their power and subverting justice. Congress tried to subpoena Cheney and he claimed that he wasn't part of the Executive Branch. Seriously, I couldn't believe it. Would he win in court? Maybe not. But he would drag it out to a war of attrition just long enough until he left office.
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:41 PM
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14. I think it was always an illusion that they were adept -
it was more like - we were so incompetent.

What is his approval rating again?? Guess they are not so adept.

This is about doing the right thing to me. Congress is a co-equal branch. He did conduct an illegal war - and Mc--- is so deep into this it must go up to his ears.

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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:36 PM
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13. Numerous sources have drawn up articles already. Years ago in some cases.
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:45 PM
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16. It is true - but they were never pressed.
It is time to press - I suggest.

Lets see - vote of congress right now - elections, approval ratings all that.

I think we could get a reasonable resolution at this point.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:45 PM
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15. I am certain a former president could get impeached and held accountable if the will was there to do
it and uphold accountability in government.

Bush1 should have been after the release of the BCCI report in Dec 1992 and considering all the outstanding matters that pointed to his corruption in ongoing matters in IranContra, Iraqgate, BCCI, and CIA drugrunning that surfaced in 1996.

Instead, we had Bill Clinton siding with the secrecy and privilege of Bush and his powerful cronies throughout the 90s and we all ended up with Bush2, 9-11 and this Iraq war.
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:50 PM
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17. Why do you think congress would do ANYTHING they didn't
have to do - like impeaching a president AFTER he already left office.

They are NOT going to do that.

Understand - if we are really going to make a new start in this young century - we have to start with doing the right thing and cleaning up the mess left us.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:14 PM
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19. Let me ask you this - would a Republican congress do it after a Dem president left with crimes of
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 06:15 PM by blm
office only 10% as numerous and glaring as what Bush left behind in 1993?
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:27 PM
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20. Don't know - and I don't care what they would do.
I care what we do.

We need to do the right thing now - as a country - and I submit to the majority of the people in our country as to what that right thing is.

But I think the majority of people in our country are pretty mad right now about what this idiot did to us. And we expect justice.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:38 PM
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21. The right thing for this country would have been to prevent a Bush2, a 9-11 event, and this Iraq war
Now, before we end up in Iran....try UNDERSTANDING what the REAL COST is to move past serious crimes of office.

You want to KEEP PAYING these costs, then explain why you believe American citizens have NO RIGHT to an accurate record of their government's actions while you're at it.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html


There is never a reason more important than doing the RIGHT thing by the American people and for the ACCURACY of the nation's historic record.

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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:50 PM
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22. I agree - tell me what court can ever try this case??
And the other mistakes - we already made them - lets prevent the next one.

I think there is only one real court to do that now - and it is congress.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:52 PM
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18. I don't think "impeach" is the right word for a former president.
He could be prosecuted over criminal charges, so long as he hadn't pardoned himself (or had a later president pardon him).

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