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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:12 PM
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Can someone please help us?
Isn't there someone in the financial world who knows the inside story on all the shady dealings that have manipulated the oil prices that have started the huge domino effect that has made many folks lives completely spiral into poverty?

ISN'T THERE ANYONE THAT CAN COME FORTH,COME CLEAN, HELP NAIL THESE BASTARDS,HELP YOUR FELLOW MAN, HELP US NOW!!!

COME FORTH AND SPILL THE BEANS!

DON'T CONTINUE TO EAT THE BEANS-(although we might need the gas!)


DRAGONSLAYER-WE MUST LOCK UP THESE CORPORATE CRIMINALS ONCE AND FOR ALL!


MY GOD, DON'T LET THE GOOD OLD USA BE A LONG FORGOTTEN DREAM!

PLEASE HELP!

WE WILL STAND BEHIND YOU!
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cephalexin Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:17 PM
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1. There isn't any inside story...or even secrets. Charging what the traffic will bear is a true and
tested tool of capitalism. I know some people dismiss supply and demand as a mechanism for oil (and some other commodities) but it's still the most functional aspect of the market. You can put every oilman in jail and it won't affect the price of gasoline one red cent.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:21 PM
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5. Yeah, I used to think so, too, but I've been reading far too much on the subject lately and...
...it seems very much as though speculation involving many millions of dollars, and billions in some cases, create a self-fulling prophesy for oil futures.

No doubt fears over peak oil, as well as the miserably falling dollar, are fueling some of that speculation.

And you can't ignore the influence of sheer unbridled, unregulated greed of fossil fuels execs. For these people, there's literally no such thing as enough.

But whatever the rationale, speculators and hedge fund managers are at the top of the list of who to blame for this epic gouging.

Here's a particularly lucid and well-argued article on the subject. And here's a few of the opening paragraphs:


Perhaps 60% of today’s oil price is pure speculation

by F. William Engdahl

The price of crude oil today is not made according to any traditional relation of supply to demand. It’s controlled by an elaborate financial market system as well as by the four major Anglo-American oil companies. As much as 60% of today’s crude oil price is pure speculation driven by large trader banks and hedge funds. It has nothing to do with the convenient myths of Peak Oil. It has to do with control of oil and its price. How?

First, the crucial role of the international oil exchanges in London and New York is crucial to the game. Nymex in New York and the ICE Futures in London today control global benchmark oil prices which in turn set most of the freely traded oil cargo. They do so via oil futures contracts on two grades of crude oil—West Texas Intermediate and North Sea Brent.

A third rather new oil exchange, the Dubai Mercantile Exchange (DME), trading Dubai crude, is more or less a daughter of Nymex, with Nymex President, James Newsome, sitting on the board of DME and most key personnel British or American citizens.

Brent is used in spot and long-term contracts to value as much of crude oil produced in global oil markets each day. The Brent price is published by a private oil industry publication, Platt’s. Major oil producers including Russia and Nigeria use Brent as a benchmark for pricing the crude they produce. Brent is a key crude blend for the European market and, to some extent, for Asia.

WTI has historically been more of a US crude oil basket. Not only is it used as the basis for US-traded oil futures, but it's also a key benchmark for US production.



Supply and demand is, as you say, a true and tested tool of capitalism. Which would be fine if there were such things as free markets. However, subsidization of the oil biz by the feds, using my tax money, kills much of the free market's system of incentives and disincentives. If anything, the shitheels should be subsidizing intensive R&D into sustainable and non-polluting energy sources, most of which probably don't exist yet or, if they do, they exist as drawings on butcher paper and will never move beyond that because most people don't have the money to get a patent, much less assemble the resources necessary to take the drawings into the lab and actually produce something useful. Our Failed Oilman in Chief would rather eat razor blades than fund anything that might cut into his fortune and those of his pals, "the haves and have mores."

In addition, I'm simply not naive or indoctrinated enough to believe that ExxonMobil actually competes with Chevron. If they did, you'd see competitive pricing, albeit at ridiculously high per-gallon levels. Instead, they're price fixing. The cost goes up at the corner Shell station and, within an hour, the price at the BP station across the street is "adjusted to reflect revised pricing structures based on constantly changing market realities," or some such inane pseudo-economic babble.

The problem really lies in the fact that the industrialized world is one giant unsuccessful half-way house where billions of addicts talk endlessly about how much they want to quit and, when the shakes begin, they're right back at it. Absent a serious alternative that provides close to gasoline's power/consumption ratio, the addicts aren't going to quit using until the last drop flows from the last pump and we all go back to horses and local economies.

Actually, that's not all that bad an outcome. Beats the living shit out of commuting in tin coffins for the privilege to occupy a cube in a building designed by Torquemada for maximum physical and spiritual misery.


Anyway, see what you think about the article.


wp
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:19 PM
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2. his name is Dick.
and good luck getting him to talk.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:43 PM
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3. Professional investment management has caused an influx of funds.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 05:45 PM by sharesunited
It is self-perpetuating. As the price goes up, more investors shift into this commodity. Whether this is a bubble which must eventually pop remains to be seen. But the demand for oil is not just by users of oil. It is also by those who wish to park themselves in it.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:06 PM
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4. "Whether this is a bubble which must eventually pop remains to be seen."
The same sentiment (or worse) was expressed in late 1999 about the Tech boom and in 2004 about the Housing boom.

It's a speculative bubble, all right. The question is, how much further up does it have to go? It could be 99% there or it could be 25% there. But it WILL burst. There's no stopping it.

However, if we could actually make an accurate prediction in that regard, we would be having this conversation on a yacht in the Caribbean, clinking glasses of Dom.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:29 PM
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6. Not necessarily a bubble. It could be a one-time secular move.
A new trading range being established in the $110-$150 range.

A new floor of $110 below which the world will never see.

It is a portfolio asset class now for such ETFs as stock symbol USO.
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