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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:38 AM
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"Were sorry, but some states prohibit the sale of products such as these."
Edited on Sun May-25-08 02:41 AM by Hissyspit
http://www.vibratingtouch.com/?page=faq

Frequently Asked Questions

Q. I cant purchase the Trojan Her Pleasure Vibrating Touch fingertip massager in my state. Why?

A. Were sorry, but some states prohibit the sale of products such as these.
These states are Alabama, Colorado, Georgia, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas and Virginia.

Living in the good ol' US of A. Thank god the people of Alabama, Colorado, Georgia, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas and Virginia are safe from Her Pleasure Vibrating Touch fingertip massagers. Especially Louisiana.


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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:41 AM
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1. Synchronicity here. Just was watching Jeff Foxworthy and he's mentioning a guy
Whose Happy Place part got cut off and the doctors are planning on removing one of his fingers and putting it where the Happy Place Part came from.

I wonder if the states mentioned in the OP are gonna ban JF if he tells that joke in their state!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:52 AM
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2. Good. More pleasure for the rest of us.
lol
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:01 AM
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7. afterall, pleasure IS a zero-sum game!
:D
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:53 AM
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3. WTF?
Seriously. WTF?

:wtf:

We have massagers all over Colorado, and I'm surprised it's banned. Wonder why?
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:56 AM
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5. Bible Belt and Control of women's sexuality
Edited on Sun May-25-08 02:57 AM by Hissyspit
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1090180191546

11th Circuit Nixes Sex Toys, Sex Rights
Court again splits over extent of bedroom privacy
Jonathan Ringel
Fulton County Daily Report
July 29, 2004

Americans do not have a fundamental right to sexual privacy, a 2-1 decision of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said on Wednesday.

The split panel upheld an Alabama law -- nearly identical to one in Georgia -- that made the sale of sex toys a crime punishable by up to a year in prison.

The decision extends an emerging division in the court over sexual rights, with Judges Stanley F. Birch Jr. and Rosemary Barkett leading opposing factions.

Birch maintains that although the U.S. Supreme Court last year struck down a Texas law criminalizing homosexual sodomy, the justices have not decided fully that sexual privacy is a fundamental right protected by the Constitution.

Barkett claims that the court is refusing to apply the sodomy decision to laws that violate people's right "to be left alone in the privacy of their bedrooms."

Last week, the full 11th Circuit split 6-6 in denying reconsideration of a decision that upheld a Florida law prohibiting homosexuals from adopting children. Birch wrote that while he thought the law was "misguided," since there was no "constitutional liberty interest in private sexual intimacy," the court must uphold Florida lawmakers' right to exclude gays and lesbians from adopting.

Barkett wrote that the Florida law violated equal protection guarantees in the 14th Amendment and "substantive due process" rights to sexual privacy established in last year's sodomy case, Lawrence v. Texas, 123 S.Ct. 2472.

Two judges agreed with Barkett that Florida was violating homosexuals' equal protection rights; three other judges said the case was important enough to deserve another look.

This week Birch and Barkett faced off again, with Senior Judge James C. Hill providing Birch the swing vote in favor of Alabama's right to prohibit the distribution of "any device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs ... ."

The result read like a highly charged repeat of last week's decision, with Birch echoing his earlier analysis and Barkett calling the majority's ruling "demeaning and dismissive."

USERS, SELLERS OF TOYS SUE

Just after the law went into effect in 1998, a group of plaintiffs sued then-Alabama Attorney General William H. Pryor Jr., who is now an 11th Circuit judge. They claimed the new law violated a host of civil rights, including ones guaranteeing free expression, due process and safety from unreasonable government searches of homes.

The plaintiffs included six people who used sex devices -- some on the advice of therapists as a means to combat depression and improve their marriages. One woman used a device because she suffers from a chronic disability that makes intercourse painful.

Two sellers of the sex devices, one who owns two "Pleasures" stores in the state and the other who conducts "Tupperware-style" parties to sell the products, also were plaintiffs.

A federal trial judge in 1999 found the law unconstitutional, but an 11th Circuit panel vacated the ruling, seeking a broader examination of how sexual laws had been enforced over time. After concluding that sexual privacy was "deeply rooted" in American legal tradition and practice, the trial judge again found the law unconstitutional.

DECISION BELONGS TO ALABAMA

But on a second review before the 11th Circuit, Birch repeated his argument from the Florida gay adoption case, writing that the U.S. high court did not address the issue of sexual privacy in Lawrence last year.

He also reiterated a point conservatives make in the culture wars throughout the country -- that judges should not become embroiled in making social policy. Without a fundamental right at stake, Birch wrote, only the people of Alabama could decide "that a prohibition of sex toys is misguided, or ineffective, or just plain silly ... ."

Birch added an argument that parallels one Pryor used unsuccessfully last year as Alabama's attorney general in offering amicus support for the Texas sodomy laws. Wrote Birch in his sex toys opinion:"If we today craft a new fundamental right by which to invalidate the law, we would be bound to give that right full force and effect in all future cases -- including, for example, those involving adult incest, prostitution, obscenity, and the like."

In dissent, Barkett said Birch's analysis was in conflict with Lawrence. Quoting Justice Anthony M. Kennedy's majority decision in Lawrence, Barkett wrote, "Our obligation is to define the liberty of all, not to mandate our own moral code."

Barkett ended by suggesting that the court's reluctance to apply Lawrence to the Florida case had become "a stubborn unwillingness to consider relevant Supreme Court authority" in the Alabama case. Williams v. Attorney General of Alabama, No. 02-16135 (11th Cir. July 28, 2004).

BIRCH, BARKETT AGREED IN GA. CASE

This ongoing debate between Birch and Barkett may make them seem polar opposites on issues of sexual rights, but it's not that simple. Birch is a 1990 appointee of President Bush on the largely conservative 11th Circuit. In 1997, he joined Barkett, a former nun and 1994 President Clinton appointee considered one of the few liberals on the court, in a case about the rights of a homosexual Georgia lawyer.

Robin Shahar had sued then-Georgia Attorney General Michael J. Bowers for rescinding a job offer after he learned Shahar was going to have a marriage ceremony with her lesbian partner.

The 11th Circuit rejected Shahar's suit against Bowers, but Birch wrote a dissent, joined by Barkett and two others, arguing Shahar's relationship "qualifies as a protected intimate association under the First Amendment ... ." Shahar v. Bowers, 114 F.3d 1097 (11th Cir. 1997).

Comments from the American Civil Liberties Union, which represented the plaintiffs, could not be obtained by press time. Alabama AG Troy King issued a statement saying the 11th Circuit had "done its duty."

According to the Alabama trial judge's review of sex laws, only Georgia and Texas also have bans on sex toys. Alan I. Begner, an Atlanta lawyer who represents sex shops, said Georgia's ban is "nearly identical" to Alabama's law.

"On the face of it, sex toys are illegal to sell," Begner said, but he said shops can survive prosecution if they can prove their products are "for novelty use only."

The laws do not affect the use of Viagra or similar drugs, the 11th Circuit decision stated.


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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:22 AM
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9. I don't really think it's as complicated as "controlling women's sexuality"
Edited on Sun May-25-08 03:23 AM by Syrinx
I think it's simpler than that. "Sex is just dirty business, best left to procreating." It's Puritanical and soft-headed pandering, but I don't think it's a conspiracy against female orgasms. The Baptists here hold a lot of political power, and they say sex is icky. Of course, they are hypocrites of the highest order, but that is nothing new. I don't think it is anything as well-thought as a conspiracy to keep women from getting their jollies. It's just pandering for pandering's sake, really. Otherwise, there would be a lot more prosecutions.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 05:09 AM
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14. Those things are linked. It isn't complicated.
And I'm not saying it's conspiracy. One of the reasons sex is icky and dirty business for men is because it means women have control over their own pleasure and bodies. That may not disturb you, but it does a lot of men, expecially the authoritarian type, and thus, a lot of women, too. Sure, they'll ban the male sex toys, as well, but it all comes down to their sense of women and women's behavior and women's sexuality.

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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 05:42 AM
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19. I'm down with that
But, again, I really don't think it's that complicated.

I didn't mean to call you a conspiracy theorist.

Myself?

I'm a complete CT. I believe all kinds of shit!

:hi:
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 05:14 AM
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15. "any device designed or marketed as useful *primarily* for the stimulation of human genital organs "
Seems like a Shower Massage shower head is still kosher under that :D
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:09 PM
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36. Colorado is in the bible belt?
:shrug:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:56 AM
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4. I'm surprised Utah isn't on that list!
Wait to go, Utah!
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:57 AM
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6. Alabama here
Edited on Sun May-25-08 03:04 AM by Syrinx
It is a terribly stupid law, but it isn't widely enforced. If I were in desperate need of a Trojan Her Pleasure Vibrating Touch fingertip massager, I could walk to a store that sells that kind of thing.

There was a bill up for repealing the ban at this year's session of the state legislature, but it never came up for a vote. Our dysfunctional legislature didn't really pass anything of note, except a huge pay-raise for themselves. (I wish I could vote myself a raise!)

Hopefully, they'll get to it next year... though we do have more pressing concerns.

Join the Sex Toys For Troy campaign:

http://nallforgovernor.blogspot.com/2007/11/sex-toys-fo...

(Troy King is our idiot Attorney General.)







http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20071004/NEWS/710...

(I'm surprised that Colorado is included.)
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:51 AM
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23. And we all know what a Turkey Baster is used for!!
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:12 AM
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8. An easy KnR
This belongs on greatest page imo. The world should know of the shame of those who would control human sexuality. I have little tolerance for folks who use our government to enforce and satisfy their prudish philosophies.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:37 AM
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10. Might explain the teen pregnancy rates.
Can't get a vibrator, so they get a man! "Hi, Jimmy, you look really nice today in that shirt. Wanna go behind bushes and make out?" And because men are horndogs, we can't say no.


Just. Can't.



Especially at age 16.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:47 AM
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24. Remember what happened to Jocelyn Elders?
Crucified because she dared to suggest that teenagers be taught about masturbation as part of learning about healthy sexuality.

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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:04 AM
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30. But that mightturn them into (gasp!)...
...solosexuals! :scared:



:rofl:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 04:28 PM
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38. solosexuals
:spray: :rofl:

Aren't we all solosexuals if opportunity and fate don't offer other choices?

The abstinence folk ought to be EMBRACING solosexuality. :D
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Keir Hardy Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:48 AM
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11. What next? All zucchini must be sold pre-sliced?
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:57 AM
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29. I think so. Ditto cucumbers, yellow squash and fingerling potatoes...
bok choy, broccolli and cauliflower ( to guard against really weird perversions). Oh, and sausages, salami and basically anything that is longer than it is wide. Just to be on the safe side.
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lightningandsnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:27 AM
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34. If it's longer than it's wide, then it's phallic,
Edited on Sun May-25-08 11:28 AM by AspieGrrl
If it's longer than it's wide, than it's phallic,
If it's not longer than it's wide, then you turn it on its side,
Now it's longer than it's wide, and it's phallic!

(sung to the tune of "If You're Happy and You Know it")
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 04:13 AM
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12. Red States Against Orgasms Caucus
Jeez, no vibrators? That's so taliban!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 04:30 AM
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13. Overheard in Australia: Thankfully, we got the convicts and you got the puritans
And the state of the two nations certainly shows the difference....
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 05:18 AM
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16. actually we got some of each
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 05:33 AM
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17. Herer's a million dollar idea,...
someone should invent a vibrating pistol. (Bullets would be optional of course)
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:53 AM
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28. I have a friend who inserted a vibrator into a plastic cucumber
and presented a fruit and vegetable basket to a woman.

He said buying the vibrator caused no embarrassment, but when he went to the Ben Franklin for the plastic cuke, he had some real tough moments.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 05:38 AM
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18. Somebody has GOT to say it:
"When sex toys are outlawed, only outlaws will have sex toys."

Lock up your daughters, there are Outlaws in town- takes on a whole new meaning....
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:31 AM
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21. .
:spray:
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:07 AM
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20. First, they want orgasms, then the next thing you know
They'll want equal paychecks!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:51 AM
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27. If it comes from something one bought...
mighten it be a stOReGASM?
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:07 PM
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35. LOL
:rofl:

That could be the word for all that is commercially induced.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:31 AM
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22. Kenmore's are still legal...
All is not lost.

:evilgrin:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:49 AM
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25. spin cycle, spin cycle, spin cycle... oh! OH. OOOOOO
spin cycle!
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:16 PM
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37. And tumble dry.
:hi: :D
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:50 AM
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26. What do you mean "especially Louisiana"??
I would think you would remember your poor tortured friends in Kansas.

I guess this also means I can't use your address to buy a Her Pleasure Vibrating Touch fingertip massager.

Damn.
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GoodSpud Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:07 AM
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31. This is not actually true inTexas anymore
I so rarely get to say anything good about my state, I am proud to note that such items are now legal in Texas.

Mind you, it is not through any lack of trying to keep them illegal on the part of the powers that be in the state.


T.D.P


5th Circuit Overturns Texas Sex Toys Ban

Angela K. Brown
The Associated Press
February 14, 2008

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202904864073

A federal appeals court has overturned a Texas statute outlawing sex toy sales, essentially leaving Alabama as the only state with such a ban.

The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the Texas law making it illegal to sell or promote obscene devices, punishable by up to two years in jail, violated the Constitution's 14th Amendment on the right to privacy.

Companies that own Dreamer's and Le Rouge Boutique, which sell the devices in its Austin, Texas, stores, and the retail distributor Adam & Eve, sued in Austin federal court in 2004 over the constitutionality of the law. They appealed after a federal judge dismissed the suit and said the Constitution did not protect their right to publicly promote such devices.

In its decision Tuesday, the appeals court cited Lawrence and Garner v. Texas, the U.S. Supreme Court's 2003 opinion that struck down bans on consensual sex between gay couples.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:16 AM
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32. Well massaging fingertips is just silly!
:shrug:

-Hoot
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:20 AM
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33. Sex is for procreation and dominance, not for pleasure. As soon as you
get that through your thick skulls, the happier you will be. I cut my arms off at the elbows so I wouldn't be tempted by my naughty parts. I'm very happy now, honest, I really am happy...
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 04:38 PM
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39. So THAT's what's the matter with Kansas.
Explains a lot. :rofl:
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 05:03 PM
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40. I guess Bill O'Reilly won't be going to Alabama, Colorado, Georgia, Kansas,
Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, and Virginia.

Count #81 of the complaint of Andrea Mackris for sexual harrassment filed against Fox and Bill O'Reilly:

"During the course of Defendant BILL O'REILLY's sexual rant, it became clear that he was using a vibrator upon himself, and that he ejaculated. Plaintiff was repulsed."
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