Married 41 year old mother accused of having sex with teenage boys

[proud2BlibKansan]

A married mother of four stands accused of having sex with teenage boys.

The Crawford County Sheriff's Department arrested Linetta Holmes, 41, of Cuba.

Authorities said Holmes engaged in sexual activities with at least a six boys, between March and May of 2008. The youngest alleged victim was 15-years-old at the time.

Holmes faces charges of statutory rape and statutory sodomy. The Crawford County Sheriff's Department could not immediately say how Holmes knew the teenage boys. The department is investigating the possibility of other victims.

Charges were filed after an anonymous tip was called in to police.

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Holmes' mother-in-law declined to comment on camera but expressed grief and shock. Holmes belongs to a good, Christian family, she said.

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[teenagebambam]

1. "Holmes belongs to a good, Christian family"

Hmmmm....don't MOST sexual predators?

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. Ding ding ding

Ted Bundy accepted Jesus as his savior while he was on death row. And you know that means he went to heaven. :)

[Bluebear]

3. "Wow, where was she when I was a teenager?"

Just thought I would get that out of the way. :popcorn:

[Turbineguy]

4. Yeah...

howcome I never meet women like that?

Lucky, I guess.

[Romulox]

9. Errr...ummm...thanks, but...

[BigDaddy44]

14. I'll reserve judgement until I see a picture

[BigDaddy44]

15. Yikes, I saw the picture

No, i think you're quite glad she WASN'T around

[originalpckelly]

23. Yes, this is not Mrs. Robinson.

I may be gay, but I still know that's just icky!

[Qutzupalotl]

22. ...

[saigon68]

25. She looks like some one beat her up

[Indenturedebtor]

54. GAH put it away!

:hide:

[electropop]

34. I would never have squealed.

...outside of the bed anyway.

[timtom]

52. Shame on you, Bluebear.

(Actually, I DID think the same thing. But I'm sick.)

[DefenseLawyer]

5. I know there is a huge double standard

but in my opinion there should be. Does anyone seriously believe that a 15 or 16 year old boy having consensual sex felt like a "victim"? I eagerly await being kicked in the head over expressing this sentiment.

[OwnedByFerrets]

6. LOLOL No innocent victims here...nt

[bluestateguy]

7. Depends on what the woman's relationship to the boys' was

If she was in a position of authority then yes, you bet they are victims, who cannot give true consent.

[DefenseLawyer]

10. What position of authority does your crazy neighbor generally have over you?

I don't know all the facts here, but are you suggesting they had to be coerced?

[bluestateguy]

13. I'm just saying that's it's a factor to be considered

Not so much to determine innocence or guilt, but rather, something that maybe should be considered after a guilty verdict in the sentencing phase.

But hey, you're the lawyer, not me.

[lumberjack_jeff]

49. You seem to be suggesting that statutorily raping boys is qualitatively different than girls.

There are only three reasons that this view could be justified:
1) 41 year old women and 15 year old boys are a peer or near-peer relationship
2) 15 year old girls have less capacity for informed consent than their male peers
3) 41 year old women are less accountable for their actions than 41 year old men.

A grown man who does the same thing would justifiably be forced to register as a sex offender.

[TheWraith]

39. Are you suggesting that somebody needs to be coerced in order for it to be illegal?

Because it's illegal anyway. And whether or not they were forcibly coerced, there is undoubtably a power balance issue with a 41 year old having sex with a 15 year old.

[DefenseLawyer]

41. I'll type slower

I am in no way making a legal defense for crazy having-sex-with-teenage-boys lady or suggesting that she isn't culpable or responsible. I was simple struck by the use of the term "victim" in this context and I wonder if there aren't those who incorrectly assume that every instance such as this results in life altering, severe, permanent trauma and if so, whether that is as counterproductive as one who would say that there is no such thing. Except in a strictly legal context, I am not sure how you assume to know the "balance of power", whatever that means, based upon the age of the parties, between the crazy lady and the teenage boy but obviously you are free to make whatever gross oversimplifications, to borrow a phrase, that you wish.

[mach2]

42. Amazing how some people know precisely how the boys feel about it.

nu?

[TheWraith]

44. And you're incorrectly assuming that you are all-knowing about how these boys felt.

You casually perpetuate the myth that if a boy is taken advantage of by a woman he must have enjoyed it, but if a girl has sex with a man it's a horrible violation and trauma, without every bothering to acknowledge the hundreds of shades of grey, or the fact that we really know nothing about the details of the case.

[Subdivisions]

8. The word "victim" also jumped out at me. No, and I do mean

NO, 15-16 year old boy, who engages voluntarily in such a scenario, feels like a victim.

But that doesn't make what she did right.

[DefenseLawyer]

12. I don't disagree at all

It shows poor judgment and irresponsibility and obviously violates the letter of the law.

[timtom]

53. I agree.

I remember when I was 15 and 16 years old. I would have jumped at the chance to jump in the waters, as it were. It would be the equivalent of going to a free older prostitute.

No. No victim (except the woman and her family).

I wonder if something traumatic didn't happen to precipitate that sort of behavior between March and May of 2008....

[Romulox]

11. Many (maybe most) young girls in statutory rape cases don't feel like "victims" either

This is precisely the point of statutory rape laws: that minors below the age of consent are not legally capable of granting consent because they are incapable of assessing whether or not a sexual relationship with an older person is coercive or damaging.

[DefenseLawyer]

16. Thanks. I understand what statutory rape is.

I am not offering a legal defense here. Just as a person, I think the impact on a teenage boy, for numerous reasons, both cultural and physiological, is not equivalent to the impact on most young women in the same situation. I'm not saying that is a good thing, just that it is the case.

[Romulox]

26. But you support your opinion with a non-distinction: that is, the victim's perception

of the sexual act as being coercive or traumatic. This is simply not a consideration in statutory rape, and, as I've mentioned, young girls frequently oppose prosecution of those accused of statutory rape as well.

[DefenseLawyer]

30. Your position seems to be that teenage boys having sex are victims because you say they are.

You insist that this was very traumatic for them, they just don't realize it. Not everything in life is traumatic just because it is socially and morally wrong and illegal. Again I am not speaking in terms of legal defenses or the elements of statutory rape or the requirements for a successful prosecution.

[TheWraith]

31. Your position seems to be that teenage girls having sex are victims, and boys are not.

Which is not just an absurd double standard, but also a gross oversimplification of teenage sexuality and the individual situations of cases like this.

[Romulox]

35. Umm, no. The law in most every jurisdiction says they are victims.

"You insist that this was very traumatic for them, they just don't realize it. Not everything in life is traumatic just because it is socially and morally wrong and illegal. Again I am not speaking in terms of legal defenses or the elements of statutory rape or the requirements for a successful prosecution."

Neither you or I are psychologists, obviously. I don't think it's for us to make ad hoc determinations about what is traumatic to children. Society draws a bright line because it is the only manageable standard.

[DefenseLawyer]

38. I am not trying to make a legal distinction.

There isn't one. The law does indeed have a bright line, as it should. We clearly should not base the definition of the crime or the punishment upon some perceived level of trauma or lack thereof. I am not suggesting we change the law or give anyone a pass over such behavior. I am just suggesting in the abstract the possibility that the use of the term "victim" in a non-legal sense, may sometimes be less than accurate.

[angstlessk]

48. I TOTALLY understand your position...girls should remain virgins till marriage

and boys are supposed to get as much p**** as then can UNTIL they are married...it is CULTURAL it iw WRONG..but there it is! Boys are not made to feel guilty about sex before marriage whereas girls are.

[treestar]

46. The parents probably object

They may "feel like victims."

Legally the term fits - one can be a "victim" of fraud or a minor crime - and not have a great trauma about it.

[Dogtown]

19. Doubtful

I doubt that any of them *felt* victimized; that doesn't mean there was no psychological damage. Granted, it would possibly be more severe in a female adolescent. BUT, it would definitely color the subsequent view of reality.

Let's not sit around thumping our chests or go peeing all the corners, my brothers.



No flames directed. Just cause we got 'em is not a reason to flaunt them is all.

[LanternWaste]

21. I seriously doubt that most fifteen year old

I seriously doubt that most fifteen year old girls feel like a victim whilst having "consensual" sex either. :shrug:

[originalpckelly]

24. In this case, I think we can safely say these boys are victims. Did you see her picture?

:puke:

[mach2]

40. Probably all double-paper-bag encounters.

:-)

[raccoon]

27. Also, teenage boys can't get pregnant. nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

51. They do become parents, though.

Ask the 25 year old father of an 11 year old, Villi Fualaau.

[TheWraith]

29. A 15 or 16 year old girl might not feel like a victim either.

And in fact, might not be. But the reality is that people automatically assume, without any basis on the facts of the case, that any boy who has sex with an older woman "wanted it," and that any girl is a helpless victim.

You have no idea how these boys felt about what happened with this woman, or whether they'll be emotionally harmed later on. But this sort of thing still persists, perpetuating the myth that boys and men can't be sexually abused, and that women can't be sex offenders, no matter what the facts are. That is the double standard.

Imagine the outcry if it were turned around, and it was assumed that a 41 year old man having sex with a 16 year old girl was inherently okay because the girl would enjoy it.

Now back in the world of practical reality, in cases like this where an adult is having sex with a teenager, there's rarely any clear lines to be dealt with. These boys may well have had a great time without any negatives, or they could easily have been manipulated and used. The same applies to a girl. What's really a shame is when people make assumptions about these cases without knowing anything more than a news headline and maybe a photo of the adult.

[treestar]

47. Agreed. And there are boys who would have been dared by

the others - some who were reluctant. There's no reason to presume that standard that we always see on DU that every teenaged boy would love to have sex with a 41 year old. There could have been peer pressure there. They are taught that they should want to do this, that it's natural to masculinity, so individuals who don't feel that way will think there's something wrong with them.

[treestar]

45. Not feeling like a victim, in such a case, doesn't mean he wasn't one

The long term consequences would still be there.

Taking a look at her, those consequences could be nightmares!

[lumberjack_jeff]

50. To make your argument, you need to tacitly accept one or more of three assumptions;

There are only three reasons that this view could be justified:
1) 41 year old women and 15 year old boys are a peer or near-peer relationship
2) 15 year old girls have less capacity for informed consent than their male peers
3) 41 year old women are less accountable for their actions than 41 year old men.

Otherwise, the argument is without merit.

[Debi]

17. I know I shouldn't judge

but ewww - those kids are younger than Debi, Jr.

I just couldn't do it x(

[The_Counsel]

18. Somehow, I Get The Feeling NONE Of Those Boys See Themselves As "Victims"...

:evilgrin:

ON EDIT: I just saw a photo of Ms. Holmes. Those boys really ARE victims. :puke:


I know, I know.... :spank:

[RadiationTherapy]

20. What is statutory SODOMY??

Maybe I don't want to know.

[TheWraith]

32. In Missouri, sodomy/deviate sexual intercourse is defined as any form of oral or anal sex. nt

[PCIntern]

33. sodomy with this:

[pitohui]

37. probably she gave them blowjobs

in some states sodomy includes oral sex

[Flubadubya]

28. ..."Sheriff's Department could not immediately say how Holmes knew the teenage boys"...

Well, apparently "carnally". :evilgrin:

[RadiationTherapy]

36. She "knew" in the biblical sense. nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

43. LOL!