A "progressive" website is claiming that Al-Qaida is a Jewish organization

[oberliner]

And that OBL is Jewish.

OpEdNews dubs itself as being a site of "Progressive, tough Liberal opinions" and they have a featured two-part article postulating that Bin Laden is Jewish and that Al-Qaida is a Jewish organization.

Very bizarre and disturbing.

Is the site actually something other than what it purports to be?

[leftofcool]

1. Do you have a link to these nitwits?

I gotta read this

[oberliner]

3. Here is a link to the article

Title: Bin Laden, al Queda: Jewish?

Author: Charlie Delgado

Site: OpEdNews

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_friendly.php?p=7439

[leftofcool]

9. Okay, after reading the article

I can see where the author may have arrived at the conclusions that Al-Kaida is a Jewish organization because some of its members may be ethnically Jewish.

[oberliner]

12. Seriously?

How does having some members ethnically Jewish sensibly lead one to a conclusion that Al-Qaida is a Jewish organization?

And you actually believe his claims about members being Jewish?

[leftofcool]

13. No, I don't but I can see how he is

drawing these conclusions. He is cherry picking quotes from good authors like Clarke and others to try to make people believe his viewpoint. For the most part, he is full of BS. I have read Clarke's books and he does not say this at all.

[oberliner]

16. Okay, thanks for clarifying!

The whole piece seemed pretty nutty to me.

[leftofcool]

18. Yep, pretty much

I hate when nitwits pick specific quotes from others works then write stupid OP's

[hokies4ever]

33. That's what people do with propaganda arguments

Muddy them up to the point where people just say, "Ok, whatever." to your argument.

[newmajority]

37. There is one supposed "American Al Qaeda" member who is Jewish

His real name is Adam Pearlman. I forget his made up fake name, but he's the moron that the Bush Crime Family drags out for a FEAR and TERRA distraction once or twice a year when they can't get a fake Osama tape put together on short notice.

Now that said, I believe he's about as connected to Al Qaeda as I am. And I believe Osama's been dead since 2002.

[pepperbear]

4. link.....

http://www.opednews.com/

and....

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=7440

[saltpoint]

2. My guess is that they're mistaken.

[oberliner]

5. Still weird that this crap is out there

And amazing that anyone would believe it.

[saltpoint]

6. Yep -- people will advance the most bizarre agendas they can think of

sometimes.

I hope no one supports that site and that it dies a pretty quick death.

[Lithos]

7. Site has no editorial policy

And allows pretty much anyone to post from what I can see. As such, it is really a vanity site and nothing more. Pure crap shoot as to what gets posted. Most of what is up there is crap in terms of quality with this article being a real turd.

L-

[oberliner]

11. Thanks for the info

Wasn't clear to me how the site worked exactly.

[Lithos]

17. You'll find quite a few of these on the net

And like the hydra, new ones pop up all the time.

L-

[oberliner]

36. It looks like it's been removed from the site

Glad to see that.

[pepperbear]

8. THIS IS COMPLETE BS....

his evidence? the meaning of al quaeda and the hidden meaning of a few other words and phrases. Yeah, if I look at the album cover upside down, it'll say that Paul McCartney was responsible for 9/11.


:eyes:


and this is real nice too:


If indeed my contention is correct, that bin Laden is Jewish and al Queda is a Jewish organization, then it is also true that some conclusions can be drawn about Jews in general and about the religion, the ideology, and the social structure of Judaism vis-à-vis or from the perspective of non-Jews, especially about world Jewry as an organized social and political phenomenon which revolves around the modern-day nation-state of Israel, a country physically situated in the Middle East.

In other words, not that there's anything wrong with being Jewish.

[leftofcool]

10. Seems a bit anti-Jewish to me

I wish these people would not use the fine works of people like Richard Clarke and cherry pick his quotes from his book.

[johnaries]

14. But I thought Paul was dead!

Here's another clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul.

[leftofcool]

15. He is not dead

saw him just the other day at the IHop with Hendrix

[Lithos]

19. The one in Michigan where Elvis is the fry cook?

Or the one outside of Sacramento where Jim Morrison washes dishes?

[leftofcool]

21. That's the place!

[ConsAreLiars]

20. He attributes this analysis to Richard A Clarke. Anyone here who has read Clarke's

Against All Enemies and The Scorpion’s Gate? Is this what Clarke says/implies in those books?

[leftofcool]

22. Not really

The OP is cherry picking quotes from Clarke and others. Clarke does talk about the House of Saud and Jewish ancestry but this Op is stretching it.

[ConsAreLiars]

25. Thanks. The masterclass rulers always lie about their loyalties and goals,

so in that sense anything is possible. Chimpy never boasts of his grampa's support for the Nazi's even as he implements Fascism. Today I watched a History Channel thing that documented some of the movements of Jews, during various phases of tribal conflicts fleeing to other regions. Faux assimilation was not an impossible idea. But it seemed unlikely that this was something Clarke had argued (I'm pretty certain the attacks on him would have included this) and more likely that, as you suggest, Delgado was selectively picking a few facts to argue his thesis. Thanks for your information.

Edit to add: There is tribe in South Africa/Zimbabwe that claims to be Israelite and practices some Jewish rituals, and has the DNA of the Cohen (priest) clan to prove it. Plus documents corroborating the travels of a small group of priests through Yemen and on.

[Indenturedebtor]

27. Yes because the Jooos secretly rule the world.

I have some white x-tian blood in me. Does that mean that I can be in on the wasp world domination thing?

White x-tians just can't stand to see any group of people be self-determined but themselves. It's disgusting.

And Jews are more genetically related to Arabs than anyone else. I mean FFS, Jews have been living in the ME for millenia. Most Arabs probably have Jewish blood... there really isn't much of a difference genetically speaking anyways.

I struggle daily with belonging to a movement that is in the top five most antisemitic groups that I've ever been exposed to. I really do think about it every single day. And stupid articles like this don't help.

[newmajority]

38. Technically, that's true..... you just gotta go way way back

Both the Jews and Muslims are descendants of Abraham. But that doesn't mean they all show up for each other's family barbecues. :(

[rockymountaindem]

23. Ugh n/t

[tom_paine]

24. That's disappointing and the article is pretty loopy

I would have to read Clarke's book to say any more, though I suspect, as people have already mentioned, that the quotes are cherry-picked and this is no Clarke's thesis. But U cannot say for sure.

Further, as has also been mentioned, if OpEd News is an open site that anyone can publish in, they might want to reconsider such a wide open policy and at least exercise a modicum of editorial control.

That was a sad and kind of crazy read.

[VotesForWomen]

26. don't know, but some far left liberals have completely gone over to the dark side when it comes to I

Israel vs the arab world. they think israel can do no right and the arabs can do no wrong, and they believe the crazy conspiracy theories about israel that are standard fare in the muslim world.

[Indenturedebtor]

28. I know it's pretty revolting.

My brother is rapidly turning from die hard con to democrat... I will NEVER bring him to this or any other progressive site though. It's pretty shocking how antisemitic a lot of people are on here.

My wife, who is converting, won't visit DU for just that reason actually. And she's pretty vocal about ME peace and the plight of the Palestinians. But she's not quite white so she knows bigotry when she sees it.

[crimsonblue]

29. It looks like this is the work of someone closely aligned with Objectivism..

aka the Ayn Rand mantra. I admit that I got a bit hooked into Objectivism in high school after reading "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead", but once I got to college, I came to realize her entire notion that anybody less fortunate deserves it to be a bit extreme. It's not surprising that a Jewish conspiracy is explored and created by an objectivist, because anti-semitic language and allusions were not all that uncommon in her books, if you knew where to look. It is disappointing that this objectivist has hijacked the name of progressivism to peddle their bigoted accusations, but I'm really not all that surprised.

[old mark]

30. No, I used to support some ...

...of their ideas about 30 years ago, but came to realize they are remarkably crazy, as much as the rightest of the right.
"Progressive" people have told me that Pol Pot was an admirable person, when I know he was a psychopathic mass murderer. They live in their own world, and will readily add you to their hate list if you disagree with them.
They are the KKK of the left.

mark

[cali]

31. yawn. standard anti-semitism

though it is interesting how much anti-semitism is conspiracy theory driven. This isn't even "good" conspiracy theory crap.

[oberliner]

34. Is it not worth more than a yawn?

Is it not troubling that this is out there?

[LeftishBrit]

32. I am not familiar with this particular site...

but I am aware that not everyone who calls themselves 'progressive' or 'left-wing', or who supports some left-wing causes, actually is left-wing.

There are two issues at the moment that are related to this!

(1) The anti-war cause sometimes attracts people who are against this war, not on humanitarian or legal grounds, but out of xenophobic isolationism. They are against all 'foreign entanglements' whether bad ones like the war, or good ones like humanitarian aid to developing countries. And since xenophobia often includes antisemitism, such people are sometimes antisemitic and blame the war, not on the leaders who chose to wage it, but on Israel or on some shadowy 'Jewish conspiracy'.

(2) Some people consider that, because Bush is evil and the status quo is bad, ANYTHING that is against Bush and the status quo must be good and progressive and truth-telling. This can lead to sympathies for right-wingers who happen to oppose Bush - from Pat Buchanan to Ahmadejinad. It can also lead to accepting absolutely *any* theory that is based on the view "the government and media are lying to us" (which often they are!) and concluding that therefore ANYTHING that goes against the official views of the American, British or other Western government or media must be the Truth.

I have sometimes seen arguments to the effect that "the old distinction between right and left no longer matters; people in power are using it to divide us". I emphatically disagree with this view. The old distinction between right-wing and left-wing (or between right-wing and anything that isn't right-wing) does still matter, and will matter long after Bush is dead, and as long as there are human beings for whom it can matter - for 'right-wing' really means 'prepared to crush people in a weaker position to aid those in a stronger position to achieve their goals'. 'In a weaker position' often in practice means 'poor', but it can include many other things from literal physical weakness and illness, to not coming from the 'right' family background, to being female in a society where males rule to being in any sort of minority group in one's society (e.g. non-white; gay; Muslim; Jewish; etc. depending on the society). IMO progressives/ left-wingers should never be tempted to make common cause with right-wingers, even those who have some of the same enemies.

ETA: obviously the theory quoted in the OP takes both antisemitism and general looniness to extremes!

[Indenturedebtor]

35. Wish I could rec your post. n/t