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stranger81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:24 PM
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Anyone ever heard of a Democratic serial killer?
Not figuratively, but the literal kind of serial killer . . . . .

Ted Bundy was a Republican.

John Wayne Gacy was a Republican.

BTK was a Republican.

I can't think of any counterpart on our side of the fence.

Can anyone else?

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:26 PM
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1. Does it count if they blow up 70 million people at once?
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:38 AM
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25. Or, like, the Serbian Democratic Party.
Edited on Tue May-06-08 12:38 AM by beat tk
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matt007 Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:34 AM
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27. BTK ...................with a large pepsi
Every time i hear that it sounds like something on Burger king's menu. lol
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:26 PM
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2. What about that Polish guy...the Unibomber?
Gazinski or something like that? :crazy: :wow: :shrug:
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stranger81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:30 PM
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6. Hmmm . . . . that's a possibility, I suppose. But I've never seen any description
of his formal party affiliation, if any.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:27 PM
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37. Libertarian
no question
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:30 PM
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7. Kazinsky. He was American as apple pie and senseless violence.
And his antigovernment rants are basically paraphrases of Ron Paul with only a tad extra paranoia tossed in.
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:58 PM
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17. I think his brother is a Democrat.
For some reason, it's sticks in my head that his family are proud Democrats. Apparently there was a bad apple in the bushel. :hide:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:47 PM
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56. He totally despised liberals. n/t
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stranger81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:28 PM
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3. Most definitely. n/t
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:28 PM
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4. Those serial killers are controlling personalities in the extreme.
That doesn't go along with being liberal.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:28 PM
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5. racial killings by the Klan count?
:shrug:
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stranger81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:31 PM
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8. Possibly, though I was thinking of the Democratic Party as we know it today . . . .
not pre-Civil Rights Act era.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:45 PM
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41. Considering the death penalty, maybe they switch parties after the fact
The same reason so many of them seem to find Jesus behind bars.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:31 PM
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9. Ah yes, the Dems we scared off with the Great Society & Civil Rights
Remind me again... what political party took them in when the party left them behind?
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:32 PM
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10. John Wayne Gacy was a Democrat
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stranger81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:34 PM
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11. I stand corrected -- looks like you're right. [n/t]


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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:37 PM
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13. Which would make him the exception that proves the rule
;)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 03:27 AM
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28. yup
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:34 PM
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12. The kids from Columbine came from Republican families, as did the punk who shot Reagan
I think Democrats are more impulse killers. It's really more a thing about consistancy and organizational skills. The Reverand Jim Jones from the Jonestown Massacre was a liberal progressive. And he literally drank the Kool-Aid!
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:38 PM
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14. Question, if you also make the Kool-aid, can it really be a case of
"drinking the koolaid?"
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:49 PM
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16. Let me correct my previous statement
Edited on Mon May-05-08 08:49 PM by Bucky
Via Wiki:

"Jones was found dead sitting in a deck chair with a gunshot wound to the head consistent with a self-inflicted gun wound. No conclusive proof exists whether Jones had been murdered or if he had committed suicide. An autopsy of his body showed levels of the barbiturate phenobarbital which would have been lethal to humans who had not developed physiological tolerance. His drug usage (including various LSD and marijuana experimentations) was confirmed by his son, Stephan, and Jones's doctor in San Francisco."

All those drugs in his system, he probably had a natural resistance to most poisons. Whether the fatal gunshot was self inflicted or not is ultimately unknowable. That said, he seems not to have drunk the kool aid.

He did, however, get Powers Booth's career started. So it's not all bad. You see, even murderous liberals create jobs!
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:48 PM
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15. Jim Jones was a Democratic activist in the Bay Area before he moved the Temple to Guyana. . .
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:21 PM
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19. Shhh....I have always been very pleased that Jones is remembered as...
a religous nutjob rather than liberal activist.
Usually, I decry people's historical ignorance, but not in that case
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:26 PM
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35. No need to muddy up a good anti-GOP rant with actual facts
:rofl:
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:45 AM
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82. I've always wondered if Jones had a brain tumor, or some other anamoly
They should have saved his body for future research-we know so much more about the brain, now.

He started out in San Francisco helping people-feeding the poor, working to address racism, and so on. Something snapped in him before he moved the group to Guyana.

I'm not saying having a brain tumor justifies the mass murder of a thousand people, I'm just saying that there may be a biological basis to the madness that causes someone to do something so horrific.

I saw an interview with his son, whose mother ensured that he wasn't on the compound when the murders started. I felt so badly for him, he was a teen when it happened. He had the saddest eyes I've seen in a long time.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:11 PM
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18. I had two porn shops on my mail route. Both were owned by Republicans.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:17 PM
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47. I know two people with Pommeranians. Both are Democrats. ???
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:41 PM
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49. The poms or the people?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:25 PM
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20. There are plenty, but being Democrats...
they are too smart to get caught and found out
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:32 PM
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21. There are several unrepentant terrorist serial bomber Dems whose activities killed people
Edited on Mon May-05-08 09:34 PM by troubleinwinter
There is unrepentant terrorist serial bomber William Ayers
and unrepentant terrorist serial bomber Bernadine Dorn
and convicted unrepentant terrorist serial bomber Brett Kimberlin (co-founder of VelvetRevolution).

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:27 PM
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23. the only people the weathermen killed was thenselves. & they
weren't democrats at the time.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:23 PM
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32. Others WERE killed and injured and they fully intended to kill many others.
One of the victims, who was nine at the time his home was fire-bombed, recalls:

In February 1970, my father, a New York State Supreme Court justice, was presiding over the trial of the so-called Panther 21, members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. Early on the morning of February 21, as my family slept, three gasoline-filled firebombs exploded at our home on the northern tip of Manhattan, two at the front door and the third tucked neatly under the gas tank of the family car. (Today, of course, wed call that a car bomb.) A neighbor heard the first two blasts and, with the remains of a snowman I had built a few days earlier, managed to douse the flames beneath the car. That was an act whose courage I fully appreciated only as an adult, an act that doubtless saved multiple lives that night.

I still recall, as though it were a dream, thinking that someone was lifting and dropping my bed as the explosions jolted me awake, and I remember my mothers pulling me from the tangle of sheets and running to the kitchen where my father stood. Through the large windows overlooking the yard, all we could see was the bright glow of flames below. We didnt leave our burning house for fear of who might be waiting outside. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. Sunlight, the next morning, revealed three sentences of blood-red graffiti on our sidewalk: FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS.

For the next 18 months, I went to school in an unmarked police car. My mother, a schoolteacher, had plainclothes detectives waiting in the faculty lounge all day. My brother saved a few bucks because he didnt have to rent a limo for the senior prom: the NYPD did the driving. We all made the best of the odd new life that had been thrust upon us, but for years, the sound of a fire trucks siren made my stomach knot and my heart race. In many ways, the enormity of the attempt to kill my entire family didnt fully hit me until years later, when, a father myself, I was tucking my own nine-year-old John Murtagh into bed.



Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn were FOUNDING members of the Weathermen, a violent terrorist group.

10/7/69 Bombing of Haymarket Police Statue in Chicago

10/6/69 Bombing of Chicago Police cars

12/27/69 Dohrn raised three fingers in a fork salute to CHARLES MANSON, whom she proposed as a revolutionary inspiration. Dig it, said Dohrn at the time. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victims stomach! Wild!

1969 Ayers attempted to extort money from the Vietnam Moratorium Committee demanding $20,000 to abstain from violence during a planned peace protest. After rejecting this demand, a member of the Moratorium group asked Ayers what he really wanted. To kill all rich people, Ayers responded. When another peace activist pointed out that Ayers himself came from wealth, he answered: Bring the war home. Kill your parents.

2/13/70 Bombing of Berkeley CA police vehicles

2/16/70 Bombing of San Francisco PD, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen

3/6/70 Bombing Detroit PD. 34 sticks of dynamite discovered.

3/6/70 bomb factory located in Greenwich Village explodes. WUO members die. The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officers dance at Fort Dix, NJ that night. The bomb was packed with nails TO INFILICT MAXIMUM CASUALTIES

3/30/70 Chicago Police discover WUO bomb factory. Subsequent discovery of WUO weapons cache in south side Chicago apartment

5/10/70 Bombing of The National Guard Association building in Washington, D.C.

6/6/70 WUO sends letter claiming credit for bombing of San Francisco Hall of Justice; however, no explosion actually took place. Months later, workmen in the building found an unexploded device.

6/9/70 Bombing of New York City Police Headquarters

7/27/70 Bombing of The Presidio army base in San Francisco

10/8/70 Bombing of Marin County courthouse

10/10/70 Bombing of Queens traffic-court building

10/14/70 Bombing of The Harvard Center for International Affairs

3/1/71 Bombing of The US Capitol

4/4/71 WUO bomb factory discovered in San Francisco

8/29/71 Bombing of the Office of CA Prisons

9/17/71 Bombing of The NY Department of Corrections in Albany, NY

10/15/71 Bombing of William Bundys office in the MIT research center

5/19/72 Bombing of The Pentagon

5/18/73 Bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in NY

9/28/73 Bombing of ITT headquarters in NY and Rome, Italy

3/6/74 Bombing of the Dept. of Health, Education & Welfare in San Francisco

5/31/74 Bombing of The Office of the CA Attorney General

6/17/74 Bombing of Gulf Oil

9/11/74/ Bombing of Anaconda Corp

1/29/75 Bombing of US State Department

6/16/75 Bombing of Banco de Ponce in NY

9/75 Bombing of Kennecott Corp

10/20/81 Brinks robbery in which several members of the Weather Underground stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car near Nyack, NY. The robbers murdered 2 police officers and 1 Brinks guard. Several others were seriously wounded.


Have these now-"Democrats" repudiated these acts? Shown regret or remorse for the destruction, harm and deaths, extortion, robbery, injuries and murders?

I dont regret setting bombs. I feel we didnt do enough. -Bill Ayers, 2001

(asked if he'd do it all again) I dont want to discount the possibility, -Bill Ayers, 2001.

Guilty as hell. Free as a bird. America is a great country, -Bill Ayers, 1991


"They weren't Democrats at the time." They are Democrats now, but are entirely unrepentant and have no regrets over these murders. They aren't MY kind of Democtrats. I would expect a Democrat to reject such hideous violence.






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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 04:21 PM
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43. The Black Panthers weren't the Weathermen. The Weathermen
never killed anyone but themselves. You can hide the fact with a lot of verbiage, but it's still a fact.

The US government, on the other hand, killed 2 million vietnamese & 50K+ americans.

I think the weather faction was a political mistake, but they never killed anyone but themselves, in the NYC townhouse explosion.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:14 PM
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46. They accidentally killed themselves, their INTENT, PLANS and PREPARATIONS were to murder scores
When the townhouse explosion occured, they were building bombs as "...preparations for a bombing of a U.S. military non-commissioned officers' dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey in what (Weatherman) Brian Flanagan said had been intended to be "the most horrific hit the United States government had ever suffered on its territory". "The bomb was packed with nails TO INFILICT MAXIMUM CASUALTIES".

"a political mistake"? You see the desire to blow people up with bombs as "a political mistake"? Firebombing a home at night with a sleeping child as "a political mistake"? Do you see Bush's actions a "a political mistake"?

Someone here asked if 'bombing for peace' is like 'fucking for virginity'.

If it was no more than "a political mistake", you'd think Ayers would acknowlege it as "a mistake", but he does NOT. He sates that he does NOT regret it, and he would not discount doing it again.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:34 PM
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48. They never killed anyone but themselves. That's all I said, & it's
true.

Your original post implied they killed others, but they didn't.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:42 PM
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50. pss: they kept bombing for years after the townhouse blew,
but still - never killed anyone. If their plans were so murderous, they were remarkably unsuccessful.

Unlike the US gov, which had the best of intentions, but still killed - millions.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:28 PM
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38. I thought Brett Kimberlin was just a big drug dealer
Thanks for the information.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 04:27 PM
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44. I wish.
Kimberlin was sentenced to 51 years in federal prison for placing and detonating a series of eight bombs in 1978 in Speedway, Indiana. Kimberlin left a gym bag with a bomb in the parking lot of the Speedway High School, during a kids' football game. Carl Delong picked up the bag and the explosives detonated, tearing off his lower right leg and two fingers (he eventually died). Delong's wife suffered serious injury (she won a $1.6 civil suit against Kimberlin). Kimberlin served time for other offenses, including impersonating a federal officer, illegal use of the Department of Defense insignia, illegal use of the Presidential seal, receipt of explosives, and conspiracy to distribute marijuana. He is not only unrepentant for the bombings, he SUED his victim, Mrs. Delong, for violating HIS civil rights! I guess he sees blowing people up as his civil right.

A book was written about him:

Citizen K: The Deeply Weird American Journey of Brett Kimberlin
by (The New Yorker's) Mark Singer

"This book relates a journalist's worst nightmare: of getting deeply involved in a "big story" based on information from a single source who turns out to be a world-class liar."
.....

"Kimberlin turns out to be a top-flight con man."

....
"A book about a true psychopath... portraying this madman... someone that you should be afraid to meet on the street"

http://www.amazon.com/Citizen-Deeply-American-Journey-K...


The previously convicted drug dealer, perjuror, murder suspect was charged with thirty-four counts relating to bombings in Speedway, Indiana, and sentenced to 51 years in federal prison.

Counts 1 through 16- illegally possessed and manufactured firearms in connection with the bombings;
Counts 17 through 22- maliciously caused damage by means of explosives;
Counts 23 and 24- a convicted felon, possessed explosives;
Count 25- illegally transported ammunition in interstate commerce.
Counts 26 through 30- unlawfully possessed an official insignia of the Department of Defense and a Presidential seal
Counts 31 through 34- falsely impersonated a Department of Defense official.


Rove must love this guy- an unrepentant domestic terrorist bomber as president and co-founder of VelvetRevolution... oh, wait...

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:56 PM
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55. kimbelin never killed anyone either. apparently his big mistake
Edited on Tue May-06-08 06:57 PM by Hannah Bell
was saying he sold drugs to dan quayle.

funny the people you label "democrats".
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:54 PM
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58. "his big mistake was saying he sold drugs to dan quayle"?
Edited on Tue May-06-08 09:59 PM by troubleinwinter
Kimberlin was convicted of the eight bombings, including the one set in a school during a ball game, in 1979. He made his claims about Quayle in 1988.

Mr. Kimberlin was judged liable for Mr. Delong's death and ordered to pay $1.6 million to his widow.

Though Mr. Kimberlin is now out on parole and reportedly drives a Mercedes, he hasn't paid. Nor, as Mr. Thar notes, has Mr. Kimberlin ever shown one ounce of remorse for his brutality.


I thought you regarded bombings as "a political mistake". Now his bombings aren't even "a mistake"? His only "mistake" was lying about Quayle?

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 11:42 PM
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60. interesting picture of him with rove.
interesting conviction: misuse of presidential seal.

spooky.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:00 AM
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63. Yeah, he's "interesting".
I think the 'unlawfully possessing an official insignia of the Department of Defense and a Presidential seal and falsely impersonating a Department of Defense official' are especially peculiar.

As I recall, he was using false documentation in order to obtain DoD license plates for his car. Why someone would want that or risk such stupid games, I cannot imagine.

As for the presidential seal, I have never found any further info on that.

Might be interesting to read Singer's book to see if an explanation of Kimberlin's explanation/excuse is offered.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:27 AM
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65. connections in high places, apparently.
even after 14 years in prison, comes out with high-profile connections.

how does that work?

no apparent motive for the bombings.

spooky.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:01 AM
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66. "high-profile connections"
or a two-bit fraud?

Or low-down, low-profile connections?

Maybe Kimberlin himself has become a little too high-profile...he makes his associates look bad. Or maybe that's the point.

Why would one associate oneself or one's organization with such a person?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:51 AM
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68. why indeed? moreover, where does a 14-year felon get the $
to start high-profile charities?

if you're suggesting his drug-dealing was the connection, i wouldn't think unless he controlled an organization or still had connections, after 14 years, there'd be much there. But he apparently walked out of prison into connections & $ & pictures with - Karl Rove.

No motive for his bombings. None of it makes sense.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:21 AM
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71. Why indeed?
I guess that would have to be asked of the "high-profile connections" you refer to. You might pose the question to the person who publicly calls Kimberlin his "partner".

I see nothing that says that Kimberlin put forth any money whatever to start any charities. He apparently is an employee of a 501(c)(3) and draws a salary.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:27 AM
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72. I haven't a clue
what you refer to in regard your comment "his drug-dealing was the connection". I suggested nothing. I pointed out that he is a self-confessed, convicted drug dealer and smuggler. It's established fact.

I haven't any idea what you are suggesting that I might be "suggesting".

Kimberlin himself posted the Rove photos.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:10 AM
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67. "conviction: misuse of presidential seal"
Interesting (weird) crime, huh?

I guess the conviction didn't matter all that much as far as sentencing goes. The presidential seal and DoD ID fraud and drug convictions were sentenced to be served concurrently with the fifty-one year sentence related to the bombings.

Perhaps the additional conviction mattered when he was sent back to prison after violating his parole.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:54 AM
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69. Funny he only served 14 of 51.
How'd he get his photo with K. Rove?

It's not every felon on speaking terms with well-placed folks in both parties.

Quayle an old family in indianapolis. I wouldn't think they'd use your run of the mill dealer.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:01 AM
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70. Rove...
I dunno. Kimberlin's story is that he "bumped into" Rove at a store and K had charming words with Karl and Darby Rove and he asked that his picture be taken with Rove & Kimberlin's daughter.

If it'd been me, I'd have put my daughter behind me and covered her eyes and shielded her from ghastly greusome Rove. Kimberlin held her against Rove as if he were a dear uncle, and smiled. Gack.

Kimberlin took close-up pics of Rove's car in the parking lot (guess Rove didn't have Security- amazing that a convicted domestic terrorist serial-bomber can walk up and take multiple close-up photos of the vehicle). What an odd thing to do: take photos of someone's car & license plate. If I were a convicted domestic terrorist serial bomber on probation, I wouldn't do such a strange thing.

All these photos were posted (along with Kimberlin's snooping at Rove's shopping list of butter and rootbeer) on Kimberlin's website (co-founded and partnered with Brad Freidman- VelvetRevolution), with seeming glee, as if they were meaningful in some way. Personally, I think they're stupid and juvenile.

As for the Quayle bit, I don't think anybody on the face of the earth takes Kimberlin's story seriously. He has been found to be a relentless "liar", "manipulator", "a top-flight con man", "a fairly typical hustler who learned how to con long before he became a convict", "a man whose idea of the truth is utterly malleable. Kimberlin, it becomes clear, never encountered a situation that he couldn't somehow exploit for gain." The story does not pan out in any way.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:30 AM
Response to Reply #69
73. He served 14 of 51
because of the sentencing laws in place at the time. He then was paroled, violated his parole and was returned to federal prison (twice, I think). He was most recently released in 2001.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:56 AM
Response to Reply #73
75. sentencing laws that say you only do 1/5 your time?
out of jail early, start a charity, start a rock group, bump into rove & hook up with dem big shots.

rove is out shopping at "stores" all the time - with his small daughter! everyone is allowed just to walk up & ask for photos. funny.

some people just have all the luck.

something smells funny.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #75
86. You left out a step....
After Kimberlin was released from federal prison (the first time, before he violated parole -pleading guilty to drug charges- and returning to prison until 2001), he was "a commodities trader representing interests in Ukraine"- "he quickly re-established himself in the multimillion-dollar import-export business, but this time, moving legitimate commodities", "brokering business deals in the Ukraine".

The photo was not of Rove's daughter, it was Kimberlin who was pressing his own daughter against Rove.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #86
87. whoops, sorry. ukraine connection: ever more interesting.
which years, exactly?
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #87
90. Years:
Edited on Wed May-07-08 05:04 PM by troubleinwinter
All I know is that he was paroled from federal prison in Feb. of 1994, and was returned to federal prison 1997 for parole violations (until 2001). So it was in that time frame... '94-'97.
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #67
83. Misuse of the Presidential SEAL???????????
Jumpin Jesus Christ on a pogo stick!!!!

Then why is Curious George still walking free???

He's been misusing that seal for YEARS!!!!

:wtf:
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:37 AM
Response to Reply #55
74. Curious where you got the idea that his "mistake was saying he sold drugs to dan quayle',
when the claim was made after he'd been in federal prison for 9 years. Just curious what you thought would have caused him to have been in federal prison at the time the claim was made.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:36 PM
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22. John Wayne Gacy was actually a democrat
http://www.crimemagazine.com/boykillergacy.htm

Not many people who knew him would have suspected that John Wayne Gacy, a respected member of the Junior Chamber of Commerce in Des Plaines, Ill., a performing clown at neighborhood children's parties, a precinct captain in the local Democratic party, and the owner of his own contracting business would come to be known as one of the most prolific serial killers in U.S. history.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0300475/bio

Gacy was also involved with the Democratic party and even had his picture taken with then First Lady Rosalynn Carter (wife of former President Jimmy Carter).
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:25 AM
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24. Yep.
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matt007 Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:32 AM
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26. Dick Cheney?
Oh wait thats MASS murderer ........mustve got my definitions mixed up.
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:42 AM
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29. Do you think Charles Manson voted for Nixon????
The ridiculousness of this thread (and similar ones) is mind boggling. Every time some violent psycho show up, everyone wants to try and figure out who he (or she) voted for. First of all, the second guy you quoted is a Democrat. Second, to try to correlate violent criminal behavior with a political affiliation is absurd. The world is full of head cases. Democratic head cases and Republican head cases. (By the way, did you know Fred Phelps (and his family of funeral protesting nut jobs) is a long term activist Democrat?)

Lets see. A very high percentage of prison inmates are African American. The vast majority of African Americans are Democrats. So I guess most prison inmates and criminals are Democrats.

Illogical, isn't it?
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. Indeed, just because all pedophiles are Republicans, doesn't mean all serial killers are
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #31
51. LOL!!!
nicely done :)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #29
36. Threads like this are just lame attempts at self-justification of a group at the expense of another
Democrats good, Republicans bad.

Reality is much more nuanced and complex.
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Sundoggy Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #36
45. Yeah, well, you're evil!
So there.
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:28 AM
Response to Reply #36
76. I agree, it saddens me to see threads like this.
It shows weakness on our part... rwers have plenty to be attacked about without resorting to stupid comparisions.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #76
80. I admit I enjoy playing Devil's Advocate on these
People like Jim Jones and John Wayne Gacy, as grisly as their crimes were, do make good foils for this kind of conceit.

It's like one thread I recall after the big highway bridge collapse last year. Someone posted a reply to the effect that European democracies would never put up with that kind of shoddy work. Yet less than a year earlier, a new airport terminal in France collapsed spectacularly.
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #29
39. I doubt he voted for Humphrey nt
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #39
52. You're right; he was Unclean For Gene!
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:47 AM
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30. The Unabomber.
n/t
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:25 PM
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34. He was more likely to be in the Green Party
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:47 PM
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42. Because...???
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #30
40. Huh? Have you read even the first few paragraphs of his Manifesto
He most certainly is not a Democrat.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #30
57. The Unabomber despised liberals. Here's a quote from his manifesto
that sounds eerily like many American conservatives:

"Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist's real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful."

http://www.anus.com/zine/db/unabomber/manifesto /


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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #30
89. Libertarian, I would guess. n/t
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:25 PM
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33. No, John Wayne Gacy was a very prominent Democrat
Please don't be obtuse.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:35 PM
Response to Original message
53. Being a serial killer has nothing to do with politics
It has to be with being fucked up beyond repair.

What a ridiculous post.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #53
59. This thread means that the next time someone is discovered to be a mass murderer
...several people here will go to newsmeat.com first and foremost.


"Mr/Mrs DUer, I'm afraid I have some bad news for you."

"Oh no. Give it to me straight."

"I'm sorry to have to inform you that your son/daughter was tortured, killed, cooked, and eaten by Psycho McFreak, who
is now being held without bail. The scene is grim, to say the least."

"Oh no. No...no...this can't possibly be..."

"Mr/Mrs DUer, I'm afraid the news is even worse."

"How could it possibly be worse? Psycho McFreak buried fifty dead bodies under his house, and my child is one of them!"

"Well, you might want to sit down."

"I'll stand, thank you. I just hope it's not what I think it is..."

"Psycho McFreak is a Rep-"

"...REPUBLICAN? I KNEW IT!"

(even louder sobbing)

:eyes:




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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:44 PM
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54. Sociopaths don't know empathy.
Replace sociopath and republican and the statement still makes sense..
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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:11 AM
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61. Timothy McVeigh
McVeigh was known throughout his life as a loner; his only known affiliations were voter registration with the Republican Party when he lived in New York, and a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:37 AM
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62. I don't think having that major a screw loose
indicates any sort of political affiliation. More of the recent ones have been churchy, family values GOPs because of the cover hiding behind the cross and wrapped in the flag gives them.

Mostly, I think they would tend to be apolitical given normal times when political parties didn't present themselves as god's agents on the planet.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:12 AM
Response to Original message
64. As gas prices continue to go up under the bush administration...
more and more are likely to become Democrats out of spite.

Serial killers do a lot of driving.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:27 AM
Response to Reply #64
78. "More and more?"
I think I missed the part of census that counts serial killers. Do they have a website? Do they have mugs? A convention?

How many serial killers do you think there are out there?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #78
84. There are presently 137....oops....make that 138...
I just received a text message from someone else...but he may be bluffing.

You're not really gonna make me have to use that sarcasm smilie, are ya?
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:18 AM
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77. I think the Every Man for Himself theme appeals to killers...
so they probably are disproportionately Republican.

Still, being a Democrat doesn't offer complete protection from criminal psychosis. I read a lot of true crime, and there are liberal serial killers -- can't think of his name, now, but that awful pedophile who killed the family and kidnapped the little girl, who survived, is a democrat, if I remember correctly.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #77
81. I believe that most serial killers (dare I say typical ones?) don't think much about politics
It's usually about a pathological sexuality in some way, they are looking inside rather than out.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:30 AM
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79. John Wayne Gacy was a Democrat
Nice pic here of Gacy and Roselyn Cater at a fundraiser.
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Seeking Serenity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:07 PM
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85. Was David Berkowitz (aka Son of Sam) D or R?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:17 PM
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91. He was a founder of the DLC...
Demented Listening to Canines
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DadOf2LittleAngels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:51 PM
Response to Original message
88. How about
John Wayne Gacy
David Berkowitz
Ted Bundy
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:26 PM
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92. Bundy was a Republican
he worked for a local office of a Nelson Rockefeller campaign. As for Berkowitz, I've never seen anything that would indicate his political leanings.
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