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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:35 PM
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Gas prices are ridiculous!
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 08:40 PM by Cant trust em
This was today in San Francisco. What are you paying in your neck of the woods?



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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:40 PM
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1. Here these tips to improve fuel economy
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:42 PM
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4. I use #10.
I don't have a car.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:11 PM
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26. on item #9
It helps your engine immensely to let it warm up before putting it into gear. Over the long run you'll save tons of money and environmental impact in having your car's lifespan greatly extended by this practice.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:07 PM
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31. No, that's a myth (unless you drive like Jeff Gordon)
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/autos/0709/gallery.car_care_myths//3.html

"But letting the car sit while the engine is running doesn't help anything. It just wastes gas and pumps out needless fumes. You might as well get on your way.

All you need to do is drive your car gently until the engine is warmed up. No smoky burn-outs first thing in the morning. Just go easy and keep those engine RPMs down until everything's toasty, and you'll be just fine.

Five to ten minutes of easy driving is about all it takes before most cars are ready to rev, says Sinclair. "

Same thing from MotorTrend: http://www.motortrend.com/features/car_care/112_9704_latest_car_care_products/
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 07:09 PM
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39. Under realistic conditions
people don't have the luxury of "5 to 10 minutes of easy driving" before needing their vehicles to perform normally. Many people are on the highway within minutes of starting their vehicles.

I'd take the advice of a mechanic over that of an executive at AAA. The former is accountable if he turns out to be wrong, and the latter isn't.

But hey, it's your vehicle, your choice how to operate it. I can tell you that after 10 years of ownership, my vehicle operates almost as well as it did when brand new, and hasn't spent a day in the shop for anything other than scheduled, routine maintenance - and the guys who do the work agree that the habit of warming up the car before moving it probably has a lot to do with the excellent condition of my vehicle vs. others of the same make model and year.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:42 PM
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44. "11) Easy on the gas peddle. The faster you accelerate the more fuel you consume."
In the last couple of years I've been making a real point on surface streets to not have jackrabbit starts and not rush from one red light to another. I try to pick up my speed gradually and smoothly. Almost every time, however, the cars behind me rush around from behind me to try to make it as fast as possible to 50mph and then brake at the next red light. I think #11 is one of the most ignored gas saving practices of the ones listed.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:40 PM
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2. No, they are fine
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 08:42 PM by texastoast
Americans are ridiculous for thinking that carrying around a two- to four-ton vehicle to travel is not ridiculous. Ridiculous.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:41 PM
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14. There's a bitter dose of reality.
And its completely correct.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:40 PM
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3. Ouch!
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:42 PM
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5. And just think,
before long we'll look back on those prices as the good old days of cheap gasoline.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:48 PM
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6. $3.41 in Norman, OK
my husband and I drive a hyundai accent and a mitsubishi mirage. but i rarely drive.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:56 PM
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10. And in Northern Minnesota. I do not think these prices are too high
if we consider that oil peak and other issues are driving this rise. However, I would like to be sure that those are the causes and not corporate manipulation. If the market is just manipulating the supply then it is not justified.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:26 PM
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33. I think they're a bit much. I can't wait to move to Mexico
in the fall. Good public transport and it will cut our gas bill a bit more.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:48 PM
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7. It won't stop until they have every last penny from our pockets
The gas goes up, the cost to transport goods go up so the cost of goods go up. It is spiraling out of control
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:52 PM
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8. Upstate New York
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 08:54 PM by Double T
Regular.....$3.79/gallon
Premium.....$4.05/gallon
Diesel......$4.55/gallon
.......ALL prices are climbing daily.

Special thanks to bush and cheney for their corrupt energy policies with their good ol' boys in the energy business.


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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:55 PM
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9. $3.89 [n\t]
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:18 PM
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11. It's 3.74 at the pump in Stockholm Maine
Far up here in the North, in Aroostook county. I don't have car myself - but my parents have them, my sister has one.

For the last couple years I've been taking care of the house and the pets because there just aren't any jobs available. None I could even afford to get to even if I could afford to buy a car, which I can't. (We live in a very rural area, people have to drive about thirty miles into town to get to work)

It was 3.74 yesterday anyhow... what it will be on Monday is anyone's guess.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:46 PM
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12. gas
Gas is the same price it's always been. It's our money that's worthless now.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:51 PM
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13. People don't get this
Big Oil is making a killing like it always has, but the skyrocketing gas prices are the result of the worthless dollar, when we import most of our oil.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:48 AM
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20. People always come out with the "Big Oil is screwing us!"
strawman but they never provide subtantiating evidence, links, refoerences, or any other proof that this is the case.

And you haven't either.

Big Oil is actually running as fast as it can just to keep up with demand. And, hate Big Oil as we do, if it weren't for them going out and finding rocks to squeeze oil out of, we'd all be walking.

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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:04 PM
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22. See their outrageous profits, dear and NO we would not be walking
there would, by now, be alternatives to 'cheap' gas...the oil and gas conglomerates have stymied and stopped any forward motion to halt the use of the combustion engine since the steam driven cars of old!
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:07 PM
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25. A guy who works in oil here told me the other day that they're putting more in storage
than sending out for consumption, at least when it comes to the oil we drill here in the U.S. I have no idea if that's true or not, though. Do you? I was going to post about our conversation the other day but it was so light on specifics that I didn't think it was worth posting after all.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:42 PM
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27. To angstlessk also: I'm not saying flat-out that Big Oil isn't at least
partially responsible for the run-up in oil and gas prices. Some of the blame surely does fall to Big Oil. Some of it is speculators making bets and buying futures contracts at prices they believe the market will support. Some of it is supply/demand fundamentals. Some of it is depletion. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article3823656.ece">Here's a big-picture summation of the oil situation, the relevant portion of which is excerpted below.

Perhaps I didn't communicate well enough what I was trying to say. By saying that noone ever provides any substantiation for the claim that Big Oil is screwing us, I didn't intend that to be taken as a direct challenge to the theory that Big Oil is the primary driver of high oil/gas prices. I genuinely want sources that back up this claim as I am more than willing to consider it in my thinking if there is good evidence.

I'm in the alternative energy business, specifically solar power. However, I don't limit my efforts to just solar power issues. I study oil, ethanol, wind, and other energy sources. As such, my market and intellectual research has resulted in the realization that many factors, as partially described above, are coming together to drive up oil and gas prices.

But the first thing that always comes back around in my research is that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand">supply/demand dynamics play a major role in how commodities are priced. For instance, if a substantial portion of the wheat crop is infected by http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/04/16/ap4898074.html">African stem rust that is quickly spreading to places such as Uganda, Ethiopia, Yemen, India, Pakistan and Iran, or the http://www.journal-advocate.com/articles/2008/04/17/news/agriculture/ag1.txt">brown wheat mite and other pests, there will be less wheat supply to meet demand. In my business, if the supply of raw materials used to manufacture solar panels is not enough to meet demand, solar panels cost more.

The same can be said for oil fundamentals.. The Saudis have all but admitted that they are now in decline and King Abdullah has ordered newer, smaller finds to remain in the ground for future generations. Mexico, which has provided up to 10% of US imports, is in sharp decline and has announced that they will no longer be exporting in about 7 years. North Sea oil is drying up even faster. Google provides many more oil depletion news and source links.

From the Times Online:


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article3823656.ece">Times Online
-snip-

Production of oil is being constrained by several forces, none of them due to God’s failure to put enough of the black gold under our feet. Several countries that are important sources of supply are in political turmoil, and unable to bring to market the oil they are capable of producing. Think Nigeria, where security problems have shut down about 20% of the nation’s capacity of 2.5m barrels a day and discouraged new investment, and Iraq, where political paralysis and terrorists have kept production at less than half its potential.

Other countries will not develop the reserves of oil known to lie under their territories.

Russia has made it clear that foreigners who invest in its oil industry might be playing a game with Vladimir Putin known as heads I win, tails you lose. Find nothing and you lose your money; find substantial reserves and the state squeezes you until your shareholders’ pips squeak. Only companies at least 51% owned by Russians – read FOPs, Friends of Putin – are allowed to look for oil in the new, difficult areas in which it is to be found. Little surprise that oil output dropped in the first quarter of this year.

Mexico’s president, Felipe Calderon, wants to revive Petroleos de Mexico (Pemex), the world’s third-largest oil producer, by contracting with foreign companies to introduce modern methods of extracting more from existing fields and finding new ones. But legislation is stalled by left-wingers who have seized and are sleeping at podiums in both houses of congress.

Saudi Arabia’s royal family has announced that it will not expand capacity. Abdallah Jum’ah, chief executive of the kingdom’s oil company, said high prices didn’t mean the world needs more oil because such market signals were “imperfect”, and energy minister Ali al-Naimi has announced that there are no plans to embark on a new round of expansion. The oil is there, but with current production yielding about $120 a barrel, there is no incentive to find more, especially since new production might drive down prices as demand from the slowing American economy falls.

Venezuela’s oil industry can only be described as a mess.

-snip-


And, from Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah, who's apparently worried about his depletion rates:


RIYADH, April 13 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah said he had ordered some new oil discoveries left untapped to preserve oil wealth in the world's top exporter for future generations, the official Saudi Press Agency (SPA) reported.

"I keep no secret from you that when there were some new finds, I told them, 'no, leave it in the ground, with grace from god, our children need it'," King Abdullah said in remarks made late on Saturday, SPA said.

-snip-


That is clearly a supply/demand scenario that is contributing to the increase in prices, more so than a conspiracy by Big Oil to gouge us at the pump. And Big Oil is also dealing with rising operations costs, rig shortages, and geopolitical contraints. And each year their share of the world's oil production is slipping. To me, they seem to be the lucky benefactors of high oil and gas prices, rather than the instigators.

It's basic economics. Yet, instead of addressing the shortfall in supplies versus increased demand and applying the laws of capitalistic economics, some people instead look to conspiracy or bogeymen.

blonndee: "I was going to post about our conversation the other day but it was so light on specifics that I didn't think it was worth posting after all." I'm resisting the urge to read this as a snark. Do you have the link for this conversation? I'd like to go back and have a look at it. Thanks! =)

angstlessk: "A guy who works in oil here told me the other day that they're putting more in storage
than sending out for consumption, at least when it comes to the oil we drill here in the U.S. I have no idea if that's true or not, though. Do you?" No, I've seen nothing that substantiates that. But that doesn't mean he's mistaken. Bush held off for awhile refilling the Stratgic Petroleum Reserves hoping that oil prices would go down. But since they haven't, he's ordered the SPR to be refilled (after Katrina and Rita) at a time when Congress and critics charge that he should be releasing oil from the SPR - which they say will lower fuel prices. So, if that's what he's referring to, then yes, we are hoarding oil. Otherwise, I'll have to do some checking as anything else that may be going on with us storing more oil than we consume hasn't jumped out at me along the way.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:32 PM
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35. Thanks for the post--
my comment wasn't about "our" conversation (as in you and I) but about the one I had with some random guy who started talking to me in the supermarket about oil around here. I didn't press him for details so I didn't have much to post or even much to go by in terms of asking questions about it. Not snark at all. I'm just trying to figure out what's really going on with oil, and your post and the others here are helping!
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 07:33 PM
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41. Dear Texas Explorer
I just bought some solar panels to put on my roof to heat my swimming pool.

But,

I can't find anyone who will install them. Who does that kind of thing? I looked at the directions and am not willing to try it myself.

Where I live there is no labor to be foyuund anywhere. Every company in town is looking for workers, so no one wants to take on such a small job.

Any suggestions?

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:16 PM
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43. Gas prices have more than doubled in the last seven years.
Consumption has not increased anywhere near that much.

Supply has not decreased anywhere near that much.

However, oil profits have nearly doubled.

There's some evidence for you.

The FACT is that the US Army sits on top of Iraqi oil to keep it off the market.

Bush and his have-more oil cronies are making world record profits, unseen in history.

You're going to have a tough row to hoe defending the oil companies.

They have fucked America forever and corrupted our government and you talk like they're fucking heroes.

I think energy should be nationalized after watching Enron and Exxon et al fuck us over so badly.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:11 PM
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32. Not true out here in oil country
Every well has been uncapped, drill rigs can't be had, and it's being sold as fast as possible.

Oil people more than anyone else understand boom and bust economies. They want to get as much oil sold at $ 100 a barrell as they can, and they're getting ready for the future by putting up wind farms as fast as they can too. It reminds me of Planet of The Apes driving around here anymore with all the windmills in the distance.

If anyone doesn't have a job right now, head for oil country. Labor just can't be found and it doesn't even matter what job you do. The oilfields have sucked all the other employers dry so every business has a help wanted sign.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:35 PM
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36. I see that here. What he said, actually, was that he was "working as hard as he can"
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 05:37 PM by blonndee
with as many guys as they can hire to pump out oil. But he said it's going into storage, not being sold to people like you and me. I wanted to ask him who was buying it, but it was kind of a strange conversation. I asked him instead, "Well, what's going on then?" and he paused and said he didn't really know for sure, but that he'd heard something about needing it "in case there's another war or something like that." Who knows if he really even knew anything, though.

edited: typed "gas" instead of "oil."
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 07:29 PM
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40. What happens when oil prices are low is
the companies just cap their wells. It costs a certain amount to extract the oil. If the price is almost below that amount there's no sense pumping it, so they leave it in the ground.

Right now rigs and pumpjacks and pipe and especially labor is incredibly expensive. It doesn't make any sense to pump it out at these high prices and then store it. If you think prices are going to be much higher in the future then just leave it stored where it is -- underground.

With the prices this high, every available drop is being pumped and sold as fast as possible. There's even lots of refracting going on of older wells to get a little more out even at the higher refract costs.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:04 PM
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30. You need to read my post again, before commenting.
Big Oil has a history of making obscene profits... FACT

My comment was that our sky high gas prices are the result of the worthless "dollar" (value compared to other currencies, like the Euro) in a global oil market.

What is really obscene though, it that Big Oil uses the American Taxpayer to seed, cultivate, and PROTECT their obscene profits. For example: Iraq War and every other Middle East conflict that warrants U.S. intervention and protection from. Oh, and the 'Powers That Be' will never allow an alternative energy source to be provided to the American People that the 'Powers That Be' cannot grossly profit from.
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John Crighton Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 06:36 AM
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15. The dollar is weak
The dollar is weak because the US has a massive cumulative trade deficit. Free traders sold you and I out.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 06:51 AM
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16. In MA $3.53 at Sunoco and $3.49 at the independent
and I'm on E ... :(
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dtotire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:06 AM
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17. I paid $3.75.9 a gallon yesterday In Bristol, CT
I believe that may be the lowest in CT
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:26 AM
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18. $3.94
Central Valley, CA

Looks like we will be at $4 here in no time.

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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:44 AM
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19. Apparently, they aren't that ridiculous.
I've never heard the word "ridiculous" used more often, by more people in my entire life, but American consumerism has not been affected.

I work for a man who owns five convenience stores, and his sales figures are on the rise. Even very recently, sales of such items as beer, soda pop, candy, cigarettes, lottery tickets and yes, gasoline, have increased dramatically. Virtually 100% of the customers who purchase these items are working class individuals, who seem to do little more than drive around burning gas, many of whom continue to buy new vehicles that get poor fuel mileage.

I fully expect to see the total collapse of his little money making empire in the coming years, but as of now, that is the way it stands.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:51 AM
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21. $3.45 - $3.65 in Phoenix
I read recently that for every one cent increase in gas prices it takes $50,000 a day out of the Phoenix economy. That's a lot of money that people don't have for food, clothing, mortgages or rent, etc.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:05 PM
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23. prices are fine = consumption is outragious!
Lets carpool!
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:50 PM
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38. I was really looking forward to a road trip this summer.
Rats.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:07 PM
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24. $3.71 premium in this area a few days ago
But since I only fill the tank about once a month, can't tell you what the number is at today.
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:51 PM
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28. Are they turning up heat?
For a while, they've been boiling a frog. Lately, it seems prices are rising faster. I wonder if they've been accelerating the price hikes. Unless it just appears that way, compounded with the collapsing dollar.

I don't drive, but feel the ripple effect pinching my groceries.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:53 PM
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29. I paid $3.82 last Friday. Near SNA airport gas was well over the $4.00 mark!
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Gdub01 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:48 PM
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34. gas prices
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 02:48 PM by Gdub01
Yes the price of gas is going up. Yes with our dollar dropping, the cost to import products from other countries is going up.

I'm thinking there has to be a better way that just complaining about it. This site is a site that looks to take action.. so that's why I'm posting this. I've started to take action myself and am a firm believer in taking charge of the situation. WIth the population booming in many countries, it's putting a big stress on food production and gas/energy usage. Especially as more and more people are moving to cities, the strain and farms to feed everyone is growing enormous. It's time to act... so we can eventually give back!

Get in control of the soaring prices of food here
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:01 PM
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42. Making money is not what it is about
In my opinion. What is it about in yours?

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:36 PM
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37. $3.45, but going up almost everyday by 3 cents.
South Texas.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:46 PM
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45. Wow. I live relatively nearby you, (East Bay) and I have not yet
seen any prices for regular over 4.00. That's seriously ridic., though.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:52 PM
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46. $3.77, Eastern Coastal Connecticut (the non-New York rural part)
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:57 PM
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47. It's all relative, I think
If average people were earning good money, then these gas prices wouldn't be that bad.

In 1968, when gas was about 30 cents a gallon and the minimum wage was about $1.60, a low-income worker could buy about five gallons for an hour's work (not factoring in tax deductions). Now, that same low-income worker can buy maybe two gallons or less for an hour's work.

In my case, my income has been going down year-by-year since the Chimp has been in office. I wouldn't mind paying $4.00 for a gallon of gas if wages and salaries were higher in this country for the average guy like me.
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Angleae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:17 AM
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48. This says it all
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:20 AM
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49. "What are you paying in your neck of the woods?"
Too much.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:25 AM
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50. As of last night, 3.39
in SW Missouri
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:30 AM
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51. You can compare here
http://chicagogasprices.com/Price_By_County.aspx?state=IL&c=usa

Chicago usually has the highest average price in the nation, even over Hawaii. Lucky us!
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