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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:34 PM
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Daughter has to compare/contrast two famous speeches.
She just had to come up with the idea and get the subjects approved. She wanted to do FDR's "Date that will live in infamy" speech w/ GWBs 9/11 speech. Someone already snagged that one so her teacher told her to come up with another idea. Any ideas floating around out there that might be not so famous? She was hoping to contrast with something that *co has done, but off the top of my head, I can't come up with anything. Must be the cold meds. I was thinking Hitler/GWB, but I thought that might be pushing the teacher a bit too far ;)
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:35 PM
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1. Maybe Eisenhower's "military-industrial complex" speech vs. any of Dumbyas
...?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:36 PM
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2. Well those Republicans love to latch onto Lincoln so much...
How about one of Lincoln's speeches demolishing a republican argument.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:36 PM
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3. Eisenhower and the military industrial complex
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 08:41 PM by Cerridwen
versus something shrub has said justifying the war?

link to speech Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961

Just a thought.


edit to add a snippet:

We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.

--snip--

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.



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MoseyWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:36 PM
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4. Kucinich's Prayer for America
compared to any speech the monkey has ever made in his entire life. Freedoms and human dignity vs. the monkey. I like that idea.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0226-09.htm
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youngdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:37 PM
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5. Emancipation Proclamation vs. Mission Accomplished Speech
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:37 PM
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6. What about
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 08:43 PM by Horse with no Name
Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream" and Malcolm X's "The Ballot or the Bullet." ?

Edited to add links:
http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/Malcolm_x/1.htm

http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/Martin_Luther_Ki...
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:38 PM
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7. George Washingtons Farewell Address
v Bush your choice
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:38 PM
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8. How about JFK's moon shot speech and *'s Switchgrass speech? n/t
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:39 PM
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9. Pericles' funeral oration v. Lincoln's Gettysburg Address
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:40 PM
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12. Gettysburg address v any Bush address
saying we have to honor the soldiers that died in Iraq by continuing the fight in Iraq
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:42 PM
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15. They should be somewhat comparable!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:39 PM
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10. George Galloway's speech!
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 08:40 PM by rocknation
and Bush's "Mission Accomplished!" Or Colbert's press dinner Speech!

:headbang:
rocknation
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:39 PM
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11. Churchill's "We Will Never Surrender" speech versus Shrubbie's 9-11 speech
Or perhaps, if the issue that only one person can have a specific speech, do the churchill versus' Shrubbie's 2002 state of the union address, or the 2003 one.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:41 PM
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13. JFK Speech about going to the moon, not because it is easy . . .
"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

http://www1.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/ricetalk.htm


Compare/contrast with some idiotic speech of Bush's about how the terrarists is gonna get us? Boo!




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wildflowergardener Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:41 PM
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14. How about two
How about two of GWB's speeches that contradict each other.

One talking about staying the course.

One talking about how they never said they wanted to stay the course.

Or two different speeches about why we're in iraq giving some of the different reasons they've used.

But that's probably not the type of thing they're looking for.
Sorry - drawing a blank as far as speeches go.

Maybe find two political speeches that people gave during a campaign season - comparing the techniques they used to discredit the other person.

Are there any speeches in the book 1984 that could be compared with GWB's? Otherwise maybe find another dictator besides Hitler.

Meg
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:51 PM
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23. That's a good one. Bush vs. himself. (nt)
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:58 PM
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27. LOL - bush vs. himself (and he still LOSES!!!!)
:rofl:

P.S. to the OP: The only speech I can think of as 'great' at the mo' is Gore's speech at Constitution Hall....but I don't know what to compare/contrast that with....
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:44 PM
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16. Martin Luther King's 'I Have a Dream'
vs. Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat speech when he ran for president in 1948.

There's an audio file of part of that speech here:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=86...
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:12 PM
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30. Or compare...
King's 'I Have A Dream' speech vs. Archibald Carey's address to the 1952 Republican National Convention. ;-)

Compare and contrast both speeches with Samuel Francis Smith's America (1831)
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:44 PM
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17. Here's a speech to recon with!! The greatest speech ever!
Senator Robert C. Byrd
October 10, 2002
The Moving Finger writes; and having writ,
Moves on; nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.
So said the Persian poet Omar Khayyam in the 11th century. So say I today. The Senate has made clear its intent on the Iraq resolution. The outcome is certain; the ending has been scripted. The Senate will vote, and the Iraq resolution will pass.
I continue to believe that the Senate, in following this preordained course of action, will be doing a grave disservice to this nation and to the Constitution on which it was founded. In the newly published National Security Strategy of the United States the document in which the President outlines the unprecedented policy of pre-emptive deterrence which the Iraq resolution will implement he asserts that the Constitution has served us well, as though it were some dusty relic of the past that needs to be eulogized before it is retired. He is wrong. The Constitution is no more dated in the principles it established than is the Bible. The Constitution continues to serve us well, if only we will take the time to heed it.
I am deeply disappointed that the Senate is not heeding the imperatives of the Constitution and is instead poised to hand off to the President the exclusive power of Congress to determine matters of war and peace.
I do not, in my heart of hearts, believe that this is what the American people expect of the Senate. I have heard from tens of thousands of Americans people from all across this country of ours who have urged me to keep up the fight. I am only one Senator from a small state, yet in the past week I have received nearly 20,000 telephone calls and nearly 50,000 e-mails supporting my position.
I want all of those people across America who took the time to contact me to know how their words have heartened me and sustained me in my efforts to turn the tide of opinion in the Senate. They are my heroes, and I will never forget the remarkable courage and patriotism that reverberated in the fervor of their messages.
As the apostle Paul said, "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith." There are Americans all across this country who have joined in spirit with me and a small band of like-minded Senators in fighting the good fight. We could stay here on the floor and continue to fight, and it is certainly a fight worth the effort. But there is also a point at which it becomes time to accept reality and to regroup. It is clear that we have lost the battle in the Senate, but we have not yet lost the war.
The next front is the White House, and I urge all those people who are following this debate, and who have encouraged me in my efforts, to turn their attention to the President. Call him, write him, e-mail him. Urge him to heed the Constitution and not short-circuit it by exercising the broad grant of authority that the Iraq resolution provides.
The President has said on many occasions that he has not yet made up his mind to go to war. When he does make up his mind if he does then he should come back to Congress and seek formal authorization. Let him use this Iraq resolution as leverage with the United Nations, if that is what he wants it for, but when it comes time for the United States to undertake military action, let him come back to the Congress for authorization.
I continue to have faith in our system of government. I continue to have faith in the basic values that shaped this nation. Those values do not include striking first against other nations. Those values do not include using our position as the strongest and most formidable nation in the world to bully and intimidate other nations. Those values do not include putting other nations on an enemies list so that we can justify pre-emptive military action.
Were I not to believe in the inherent ability of the Constitution to withstand the folly of such actions as the Senate is about to take, I would not stop fighting. I would fight with every fiber of my body, every ounce of my energy, with every parliamentary tool at my disposal. But I do believe that the Constitution will weather this storm. The Senate will weather the storm as well, but I only hope that when this tempest passes, Senators will reflect on the ramifications of what they have done and understand the damage that has been inflicted on the Constitution.
In this debate, the American people seem to have a better understanding of the Constitution than those who are elected to represent them. Perhaps it is that their understanding of the Constitution is not filtered through the prism of election year politics. For whatever reason, I believe that the American people have a better understanding of what the Senate is about to do, a greater respect for the inherent powers of the Constitution, and a greater comprehension of the far-reaching consequences of this resolution than do most of their leaders.
I thank my colleagues who have allowed me to express at length my reasons for opposing this resolution. I thank those Senators who have stood with me, supported me, and encouraged me. I thank those Senators who have engaged in thoughtful debate with me. I do not believe that the Senate has given enough time or enough consideration to the question of handing the President unchecked authority to usurp the Constitution and declare war on Iraq. But I accept the futility of continuing to fight on this front.
I say to the people of America, to those who have encouraged me and others to uphold the principles of the Constitution, keep up the fight. Keep fighting for what is right. Let your voices be heard. I will always listen to you, and I hope that the President will begin to listen to you. May God bless you in your endeavors.
Mr. President, I yield the floor.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:46 PM
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18. Ann Richards
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:46 PM
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19. how about JFK's speech near the Berlin Wall
(or even Reagan's "tear down this wall") -- compared with Bush's dad's reaction in 1989 when the crowds actually did tear down the wall?
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:47 PM
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20. Thomas Jefferson or William Jennings Bryan
anything by Thomas Jefferson (or Ben Franklin) about liberty - especially religious freedom.

as for Bryan, I don't know how a speech by him could be used to skewer Dubya, but his Cross of Gold speech was just amazing - maybe his talk about aggragated wealth...
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:47 PM
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21. Here is another
9/11 speech by President George W Bush
http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/George_W_Bush/in...

and


Cuban Missile Crisis Speech by John F. Kennedy
http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/2...
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:48 PM
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22. I would use another Republican's speech compared to GWB...
and I mean a real Republican when Republicans were more honest than today. Lincoln has been mentioned and that would be a good one; also Eisenhower. Perhaps TR's speech on 'big business'. I just think the impact would be more poignant if she used 2 Republicans with a vast difference in content.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:51 PM
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24. Show her this site:
The History Place Great Speeches Collection

http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/previous.htm

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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:52 PM
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25. She could show clips of Letterman's wonderful feature "Great Moments in Presidential Speeches"
:-) What a hoot!

A compilation here (and see links to other clips on this youtube page)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoNVOH9ygNM
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:53 PM
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26. I think a speech by Lincoln, either Roosevelt, or Eisenhower compared to a Bush State of the Union
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 08:55 PM by w4rma
would be a good choice. I think including a speech from before 1960 is good, because the best speeches, from both parties, sound like modern progressives in most cases.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:00 PM
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28. Is there a speech out there of Hitler after the Reichstag fire that could
be contrasted with Bush beating the "terra, terra, terra, fear, fear, fear" drums after the Sept 11, 2001 attacks?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:06 PM
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29. RFK's speech when MLK was shot.
Mario Cuomo used to be quite an orator, though I couldn't tell you about a specific one.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:14 PM
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31. George Graham Vest--A Tribute to Dogs
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:30 PM
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32. JFK's inaugural and dumdum's "have and have-more" speech
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