So the former (he claims) NAZI POPE meets the current NAZI pResident...

[TankLV]

they should get a room someplace and throw in a couple pedophile priests that that pope CONTINUES to hide in the vatican TO THIS DAY...

[Zynx]

1. Wow, I'm not sure I've ever seen so much shit in so little space before outisde my septic tank.

[Midlodemocrat]

2. Word. What a crock.

[TankLV]

6. a dose of TRUTH is tought to deal with...

[TankLV]

5. the TRUTH hurts, doesn't it...

just like the ASSHOLE BIGOTED preacher wright...

[Zynx]

10. Ah yes, the much manipulated "TRUTH". No one with an honest conscience would

call the Pope a Nazi.

[TankLV]

17. no one with half a brain and a conscience would make excuses for that IDIOT...

The FACT remains that he was/is a NAZI - it's in the record books...

[Zynx]

18. You make such a ridiculously simplistic argument that overlooks context

and history for the simple purpose of spewing vitriol. Shame on you and anyone like you.

[AngryOldDem]

7. Give the poster credit.

All the slams and insults are in one sentence of 25 words or less.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised there aren't MORE posts here trotting out the same old tired cliches, but it's early. And other than being curious as to whether this guy will have the balls to meet with any sex abuse survivors -- and I already know the answer to that -- the fact that he is here this week makes not one iota of difference to me.

We all hate the Pope. We all hate Bush. Both are fair game to whatever jokes creative minds can make up. We get it. Let's move on.

[Zynx]

12. I don't hate the Pope.

I find it rather difficult to hate that man. I hate Bush with a passion, though I've been angry for so long I don't have the fire in me anymore.

[TankLV]

13. Yeah - "let's move on" - Nazi's and sex criminals are SO "last century

No - aparently YOU don't "get it" - otherwise you're childish and ignorant call to "move on"...

Pointing out the WRONG - whether it's WRIGHT or that NAZI RATZI, never is a "joke" or "tiring" or something to "get over"...

[Zynx]

15. The guy is hardly a Nazi. That line of attack is sophomoric.

The only people, and I mean the only people, I have seen use that line of attack have a broader anti-Catholic bias.

[TankLV]

19. from a former catholic - I've earned the right...

and of course we have an "anti-catholic" bias - for all the Hypocricy and CRIMES...

the only people who are STILL trying to defend the INDEFENSIBLE...are the same one who ALWAYS do it...

[Zynx]

21. No, the attack on the Pope as being a Nazi is unfair and he should be defended on that

point.

[YOY]

33. As a former Catholic myself I am NOWHERE near as bitter as you are

I only see that kind of anti-Catholic hate from talibornagains.

I've got my problems with the Church but NAZI? That's sheer jerkery!

[AngryOldDem]

26. OOH...I'm wounded.

If you call junior high school-grade insults intelligent discourse -- which does, in fact, ALSO belittle those who DID suffer sexual and psychological abuse at the hands of those in the Church, by making light of what happened to them by suggesting that Bush and Ratz do the same -- then by all means, I will get over it.

And please don't assume I am totally indifferent to the suffering of those whom the Pope chooses to ignore. I know too many personally to EVER take such a cavalier attitude toward that. I just get goddamned sick and tired of the same-old, lame-ass slams that get trotted out whenever something involving the Church hits the news. It's not witty; it's not productive; it's not progressive. But if it makes you feel better, go for it.

[leftofcool]

3. To be fair to the Pope

not that I think Popes deserve fairness, he was only in the Hitler Youth League. Some German youths had no choice in the matter. I am not sure about Ratz though.

[TankLV]

4. and out of ALL the possible candidates for pope, they chose THIS NAZI...

and there were MANY MORE WHO CHOSE NOT TO JOIN - "to be fair" to the NAZI...

[AngryOldDem]

9. A lot of "mainstream" Catholics were not pleased with this choice.

And what's frightening is the resurgence with a vengeance of the pre-Vatican II crowd that would love to see the Church revert back, and stay in, the Middle Ages, not that it has made much progress from that in the first place.

[democraticinsurgent]

22. Neil Bush and Ratz were biz partners...creepy? i think so.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-wochar214226829apr21,0,6705480.story

WASHINGTON - Neil Bush, the president's controversial younger brother, six years ago joined the cardinal who this week became Pope Benedict XVI as a founding board member of a little known Swiss ecumenical foundation.

The charter members of the board were all well-known international religious figures, except for Bush and his close friend and business partner, Jamal Daniel, whose family has extensive holdings in the United States and Switzerland, public records show.

The Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue was founded in Geneva, Switzerland, in 1999 to promote ecumenical understanding and publish original religious texts, said a foundation official.

Besides then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, founding board members included Rene-Samuel Sirat, the former chief rabbi of France; Jordan's Prince Hassan, a Muslim dedicated to religious dialogue; the late Prince Sadruddin Aga Khan, another prominent Muslim; Olivier Fatio, director of the Institute of the History of the Reformation; and foundation president Metropolitan Damaskinos, a Greek Orthodox leader.

[liberal N proud]

8. I wonder if they will discuss the good ol' days when...

Old man bu$h was good buds with Hitler?

[LanternWaste]

11. I imagine each individual who was coerced to join

I imagine each individual who was coerced to join, has their own individual reasons why they did or did not.

I imagine that for most people, until we know any and all relevant reasons for a particular individual's choice, our judgments are rather lacking.

Although I realize that in the here and now, in the safety of our offices, homes and apartments, a lot of us would say, "Well, I would have done this instead" or "I would have done that instead", it's merely a simple a game of conjecture-- we really have no idea how we would have reacted to the situation that was going on Germany during that time period, we only have an idea of what we like to think we would have done.

But that's just me...

[TankLV]

16. Yes - it's "just you"...

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[YOY]

24. You shouldn't have.

Neither should I.

[AngryOldDem]

30. Me, neither.

I'm done.

But as I said upthread, what pisses me off is the latent belittling of those sex abuse survivors who have truly suffered. That's why I cringe, then roll my eyes, and then get angry whenever the sex abuse scandal is trotted out as fodder to take unfunny potshots at those in charge.

But that's on me. I should know what I'm getting when I choose to click on such treads.

[YOY]

31. Well it looks like he's gone now

So cheers!

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[AngryOldDem]

27. It's called 20/20 hindsight,

And you're right. NONE of us knows how WE would have reacted in such a time and place. We see things through our own prisms of experience and reality. Present-day experience and reality, I might add.

It has always been my understanding that membership in the Nazi Youth was NOT an option, especially in the latter days of the war, when he would have been a member. For some, it very well could have been a life-or-death decision. If some today, 60-some years after the fact, believe they would have made a different decision, I applaud their resolve and courage. And may they never be faced with such a decision in the present day.

Good post, by the way.

[Seeking Serenity]

14. Boy, Godwin's Law didn't take long with this thread. (n/t)

[YOY]

23. You aren't now, nor never were Catholic, are you?

n/t

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[zbdent]

25. the current Fascist "p"resident

had his grandpappy funding the Nazis ...

[fascisthunter]

32. Lol......

:toast:

[Kolesar]

34. Kind of thin

Nothing like a flaming hot subject line to fill up the forum :evilgrin: