Does anyone here REALLY believe that McCain WILL beat the democrat in November ?

[jerryme1]

[tazkcmo]

1. Yes *shiver*

Because, as other threads have pointed out, 50% of America voted for Bush in 2004. Scary, huh?

[alittlelark]

115. I think you are an optimist.

I know you love your guy, but he is a warmonger running in a war-weary economically crashing country.


He has the chance of a snowflake in hell.

(edit - forgot the last word)

[MADem]

123. Didn't you read the post you are replying to? What an insult!

"I know you love your guy????"

The person is plainly horrified by the prospect of a McCain presidency (that's what the "shiver" bit was about).

RIF...

[MADem]

2. It depends on who wins the nomination, and how our ticket looks.

It could happen, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to buckle down and pay attention.

FWIW, that is NOT an endorsement of the GOP candidate, and anyone who suggests, infers, or proclaims that I am a McCain supporter for pointing out the obvious is henceforth labeled a Fucking Idiot Forever.

[BlueJazz]

7. Are you a McCain supporter ?

[jerryme1]

17. Are You?

[BlueJazz]

95. Only if I were having a Nightmare.

:)

[fascisthunter]

19. .

Only person I have on ignore. Not many seem to like **ignored**

[Wilber_Stool]

41. Yup..........n/t

[MADem]

26. You are henceforth so labeled. NT

[BlueJazz]

96. Rats....uh....if I send you 300 bucks, could you take me off the list?

[MADem]

97. Keep your money, you'll probably need it during the McCain presidency

with that attitude....

:crazy:

[BlueJazz]

100. When you go back to school ....Look up the words "Kidding" and ...

..."Sarcasm" and then look at the last sentence of your post (#2) and see if you can "Put it all together".

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[MADem]

101. In this environment, on this message board, I am supposed to be able to divine your "tone?"

Now you try reading the full exchange from the perspective of someone who doesn't know you.

And see if YOU can "put it all together."

Absent any phrases like "Only KEEEEEEDING!" and that handy :sarcasm: tag available to us on this board, designed to help people understand what others are thinking.

Funny how you can pull out some "emoticons," but not others.

[BlueJazz]

111. Well...Geez..MAdem...You've been here for years and I've read ...

....probably a thousand posts of yours.
I mean, I would never assume that you had gone over to the "Dark Side".
If I had read something like (What I posted)..I would KNOW that you were kidding.

I hope the same goes for me...

But...still...I apologize for any misunderstanding and my smart-ass post.
You know..we "seasoned DU'ers" need to stick together....
again...sorry for the crap...

[MADem]

120. No worries. All well between us.

There's just such a shortage of real political discussion hereabouts, now. It's demotivating.

Back in the old days it would be possible to actually dissect the "enemy" strengths and weaknesses without being accused of being a snake in the grass--that's not the case nowadays.

Unfortunately, I have found here that if you're on the "wrong" team, even if it is one of the teams within the Great Big Democratic Tent, then it's all "contact sport".... and I'm rather tired of it, to be honest.

[BlueJazz]

126. Boy...I understand.....this Us vs Them is getting pretty old.... especially...

...when we're all (supposed) to be working toward the same goals...

anyway...Peace..Bluejazz

[Imagevision]

102. during the McCain presidency? - (it's not even worth a comment, especially

with Obama in our corner...!

[Bobbieo]

12. Yes - it damn well could happen!!! So please stop the bickering between

party candidates. We're re going to need all the positive imput we can get!!!

[Dr. Strange]

35. I think you're right.

It depends on who wins the nomination, and HOW they win. If the superdelegates select someone who did not have a majority of the votes from the primaries, I think A LOT of voters are going to either vote McCain or just not vote.

[MADem]

43. Yep, that's it in a nutshell.

Whoever wins has to have the approval of the party, or at least the "acceptance" thereof, and there has to be a strong team on the ticket as well.

Of course, you get the "pariah" treatment for daring to say anything approaching the truth around here. Watch yer back! You'll be accused of supporting old Popeye simply because you've analyzed the opposition and have an understanding of his strengths and weaknesses.

[Dr. Strange]

46. That's okay...

I'm voting for Nader anyway.

:hide:

[Eric Condon]

65. Voting third party is fine - but Nader?

Please. Cynthia McKinney if anyone.

Nader's problem is that if he really wanted to "fight the two-party system," he'd use his considerable profile and influence to endorse a third-party candidate (like, say, McKinney or whoever turns out to be the Green nominee.) But even though there are several to choose from, he doesn't - he runs as an "independent." He doesn't give a shit about the "two-party system," nor does he give a shit about progressive causes. Nader is a union-buster, a hypocrite, an egomaniac, and shameless self-promoter, nothing more.

[Dr. Strange]

68. Well...

Nader is a union-buster, a hypocrite, an egomaniac, and shameless self-promoter, nothing more.

That's nit-picking, isn't it?



Naw, I kid. I'd never vote for Nader.

[JeanGrey]

64. This is what scares me the most! The "oh it's a cake walk"

attitude I am seeing from fellow dems and progressives. THAT attitude has really worked out for Hillary, hasn't it?

We need to wake up.

[On the Road]

78. This Scares Me, Too

Odds are it will be a close race. The polls and the electoral map both point to that, but most people here seem convinced of the cakewalk theory. This election is not a done deal, and the media will not be on the Democratic side.

[JeanGrey]

86. Yes. And if it happens we will blame it on diebold, or

whatever is there..............but discounting McCain is a serious error.

[MADem]

99. It's not about Hillary, but way to make it partisan on an intra-party basis.

Keep it up, and it WILL be a party-splitting matter. And we'll have people like you to "thank."

[newmajority]

3. The Democrat? Absolutely not.

The DLC corporatist who alienated millions of new voters by scamming the superdelegates? quite possibly.

But most of those superdelegates would also lose their own elections. And that's why we won't have to worry about that.

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

4. Diebold thinks so

All we have to do is resurrect the Keating 5 scandal (McCain was one of the 5 who helped Keating, THE savings and loan bastard, postpone his trial for financial crimes. In the process, McCain took a $112,000 donation from Keating, flew on his jet, and stayed at Keating's Bahamas retreat 3 times) and the dude will go red and pop much worse that Howie Dean.

[devilgrrl]

5. Yes. The DLC will make sure that will happen.

Like they did in 2000 and 2004.

:popcorn:

[depakid]

6. Anyone who doesn't see that a very real possibility

has either been asleep for the past 15 years, or doesn't know anything about American politics.

Democrats these days start out handicapped with several disadvantages and quite aside from that, have a woeful habit of grasping defeat out of the jaws of victory.

[Kaleva]

112. I agree

[tridim]

8. He'll be at Bush* approval levels by the time the debates are over.

And by November he'll have only the backwash. ~30%.

[Eric J in MN]

62. John Kerry won all 3 debates in the public's opinion.

But the Republicans still stole it by having so few voting machines in Democratic precincts in Ohio that people couldn't vote.

[tridim]

69. Bush didn't go on a tirade and start screaming at the moderators at those debates.

McCain is going to lose it badly at the debates. I'm predicting they'll have to fade to black when he starts unloading the F-bombs.

[Eric J in MN]

75. Bush did seem irritable during at least one of the debates. NT

NT

[lutefisk]

92. His secret earpiece was probably turned up to high

To be fair, if I were a dry drunk of below average intelligence, and I had an earpiece turned up too high and jammed in my ear while trying to listen to a moderator, my opponent, along with the voice in my ear, I'd be a little irritable, too.

[elocs]

9. If we cannot defeat McCain with the pathetic state this country is in,

then Democrats may as well pack it in and not even bother with elections anymore.

[rockymountaindem]

10. It's a distinct possibility n/t

[AlCzervik]

11. 2 things, GD, you're doing it wrong and no i do not believe he will win.

[fascisthunter]

13. Not Without Stealing another Election (nt)

[NMDemDist2]

21. ding ding ding we have a winner! n/t

[Echo In Light]

82. Which is why they're now using the M$M to sell the idea of a CLOSE race

Plant the seeds early on so when the fix is in it doesn't register as obvious.

[fascisthunter]

94. Yup! Just Like Before

[spanone]

14. not really a relevant question in democratic underground...can't imagine ANYONE believes that here

[MADem]

30. You think we're stupid and don't live in the real world?

Have you seen any of the polls? It's ALL within the MOE.

Sorta like it was when KERRY couldn't lose.

[sniffa]

15. Not at all.

I know some are hoping for it, but someone is just gonna have to wait until 2016.

[AlCzervik]

18. true that.

:hi:

[sniffa]

24. It's only posted about 200 times a day here

:hi:

:hug:

[panader0]

16. Absolutely not.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

20. McCain could steal it?

[pepperbear]

22. yes because we're just that stupid. n/t

[nuxvomica]

23. I don't see how it's possible without widespread electoral fraud

The 13 Keys strongly indicate a Democratic victory so the primaries are the real contest this year.

[readmoreoften]

51. Oh that was so last month! McCain is gaining ground due to the Obama/Clinton bloodbath.

It's also possible that the powers that be are engineering the fight between the candidates supporters. I have a hard time believing that 25% of all Obama and Clinton supporters will support McCain if the other Democrat gets the nominee. If this is true, however, it could also mean that those Republicans that we've been courting support McCain more than the opposing Democrat.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080410/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_race_ap_poll;_ylt=Ale0AxqH1949WrWeQqgoUh4DW7oF

[jobycom]

25. Did anyone back in November really believe he would get the nomination?

He'll be a tough opponent, partly because he's likable when he's on his game, and partly because the conservative Machine will kick in, smearing the Democrat full time.

If Obama wins, we're going to have a really hard time. He's a blank slate with no real record. So far the media is filling that slate with pretty flowers and rainbows, but they'll turn on him, and by the time of the election he'll be seen as corrupt, inexperienced, unAmerican, and anything else they can think of. Like Gore, like Kerry, like Clinton.

If Clinton wins, she at least has the experience to fight him, and people already know her darkest secrets. They'll have more trouble slandering her, although they'll find a way. With her experience, she may be able to counter it.

Either way, and even if you disagree over Obama, don't underestimate McCain's chances. Ask the rest of the Republican field. Maybe he'll be a cakewalk. But don't bet on it.

[Richard Steele]

27. Depends- by "beat" do you mean "honestly win", or do you mean "be declared the victor"?

In a world where Dubya was declared victorious TWICE,
just about anything is possible.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

28. Not if it is Al Gore but Hill and BO, sure he can and probably will due to deep party divison

and too many negatives for both of them.

[Danieljay]

29. Totally. n/t

[jerryme1]

31. McCain is a 72 year old warmonger still living his glory days as a Navy pilot.

He has not articulate, nor does have a viable plan, for any issues facing our country. I think the same people that watch all these crime shows on tv are the ones who will support McCain.

[0rganism]

40. Sure would suck to have him as president, eh?

I'm not looking forward to it myself...

[NYC Liberal]

72. "He has not articulate, nor does have a viable plan, for any issues facing our country"

Aka, Bush in 2000. I wouldn't "misunderestimate" -- as Chimpy put it -- him. God help us if McCain gets into office, but even tho he's a Republican, I fear that he's "Not Bush" so that even with the same policies, he'll seem OK because he's...."Not Bush"

Like I said though, this country is doomed if McSame ever gets into the Oval Office.

[MADem]

76. No he isn't. He's a 72 year old Senator and former POW who has anger issues

no doubt as a result of his PTSD. He's not reliving his glory days as a Navy pilot, though--the idiot wrecked THREE planes--THREE!!

That's two more than most people get to wreck.

If he wasn't treated like an Admiral's kid in flight school, he would have ended up as a shipdriver.

Bush was a moron, and more of one than McCain. And he managed to take the crown.

It's foolish to sit back and think he could "never" win--that's how Bush took it. Twice.

[Thothmes]

109. Most probably

the same folks that voted for Bush Twice. There was little to commend him as a potential President. As long as they show up at the polls in Nov, like they did in 2000 and 2004.

[XOKCowboy]

32. I didn't six months ago but....

doubt is beginning to creep in. The main reason or course is our candidates having to fight each other instead of McCain.

[Stinky The Clown]

33. He's coasting along merrily and we're busy pissing on each other

Yeah .... he could beat us.

[Bobbieo]

36. Our candidates really don't have to fight one another!!! They seem to enjoy it !!!

Which makes it tough for the rest of us.

[JeanGrey]

66. Yes!!! That is it exactly!

[jerryme1]

34. Somewhere deep down, I believe McCain is going to get trounced if things continue

as they are.

[JerseygirlCT]

37. I refuse to seriously entertain that possibility.

Ugh.

[0rganism]

38. A lot depends on what has yet to occur, so don't write the GOP off just yet

1. The Democratic nominee has yet to be decided, and the intraparty bickering is truly some of the worst I've ever seen.

2. McCain just polled even with both Democrats in the AP/IPSOS, IIRC, and I've seen him ahead in a couple other nationals last week. He is a dangerous candidate, and the big money hasn't even started to roll into his coffers yet. Remember, he's still perceived as a "maverick" moderate willing to stretch across party lines to build consensus on important issues -- an image that will be hard to shake loose. Do not underestimate the power of such imagery, especially when portrayed ad-nauseum by fawning irresponsible mass media outlets.

3. Voting problems across the nation, especially in urban areas where much of the Democratic base lives, have yet to be addressed in any satisfactory way. Chances are, we'll see lots of replays of the same shit we saw go down in 2004.

4. We will probably lose both Michigan and Florida this time around, due to the carelessness shown by the DNC.

5. Both candidates for the Dems, whatever their individual appeals, have high negatives that must be repaired or compensated in the next six months -- but every second the primary contest continues, we're just making that job more difficult.

As long as Democrats are focused on infighting instead of fixing serious systemic problems, tearing one-another down in the primaries instead of building up for the big campaign this fall, we move steadily towards snatching defeat from the jaws of victory -- yet again! Right now, if things continue on like this until the convention, I'd give McCain a 5-point spread in popular vote and maybe 30ECV.

[applegrove]

39. Nope.

[mdmc]

42. nope

i'm well snuggled in my blue state cocoon. If America votes for McCain, then down the hatch:shrug:

[zbdent]

44. I believe that McSame may pull it off ...

if he does, ... the country loses ... at least, real Americans do ...

[LWolf]

45. I do. n/t

[readmoreoften]

47. I'm somewhat certain we'll lose.

All they need is a close election to steal it. McCain is already polling equal to both candidates and they haven't started the smear machine yet. I'm also pretty sure that 5% of GDP is Republican operatives and those 5% are sowing disinformation, discontent, and fueling hysteria and rage.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080410/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_race_ap_poll;_ylt=Ale0AxqH1949WrWeQqgoUh4DW7oF

[rockymountaindem]

49. I don't think he'll need to steal it

McCain has a patina of invulnerability that will be difficult to overcome. The Republicans managed to weed out the real turkeys and field the best candidate from their field. We, however, continue to swipe at each other over two candidates who weren't the strongest from our field.

I'm not saying McCain *will* be President, but at least right now it is, as I said upthread, a definite possibility.

[readmoreoften]

55. I agree.

The attacks I hear coming from Democrats really underestimate him. They mostly seem to think that McCain will lose because of his age. I believe Reagan was as old when elected. Folks think McCain will lose because of fundy apathy. In reality, all he needs to do is pick a Huckabee type VP and they'll be appeased. If we were really concerned about electability, I think we would've chosen Biden. It also seems to me that the whole thing has been rigged all along. We were supposed to get Obama and Clinton. If you imagine a world without cable news, I don't think they would be our last candidates standing.

[Junkdrawer]

48. Well, if he doesn't, Rove will have wasted 6 months....

stage managing this internecine bloodbath.

[readmoreoften]

60. Yes indeed.

I wonder how many sock puppets his office has going in GDP. In cubicle one we have the "religiously devotional Obama follower", in cubicle two we have "the old white woman who supports Clinton and makes vaguely racist statements", in cubicles three, four, and five we have "Hillbot killers A,B,C" and in cubicles six, seven, and eight we have "Obamacan killers A,B,C". I also think there's a whiteboard on the wall that says:

10am: Hillbot Killer A, using sockpuppet DumbJock7 start thread "I still don't get the big deal about McClurkin. Get over it."
11am: Old Racist Whitewoman, using sockpuppet GrandMaStarfish start thread "This whole 'Muslim' thing has my friends at the senior center worried."
12am: Hillbot Killers B and C will fight with Obamacan Killer A in thread titled "HILLARY CLINTON WILL NEVER GET MY VOTE!!!"

Rules:

(1) Make sure not to accidently key in a '1' when creating multiple exclamation points. Be very careful.
(2) Stay in character! Be creative!
(3) Review Democrat positions and platforms. Remember, what we call 'far left' they call 'centrist.' Use the term 'too far left' sparingly or they'll catch on.


And so forth...

[MADem]

124. ********~~~!!!!!

:rofl:

The thing is...I can PICTURE it!

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Yes, between Diebold and the virtual party civil war

they won't have to work hard to even win legally

[L. Coyote]

52. I believe there will always be people paid to say so no matter what the truth.

But you can't buy that many votes!

[CK_John]

53. IMO, McCain will not be the candidate, Cheney will bring in a sub. Probably Condi if we

run Obama or John Roberts if we run Hillary. And we will be unprepared and may lose.

[and-justice-for-all]

54. Fuck No! nt

[TransitJohn]

56. It's entirely possible.

And with the MSM's current "dream scenario" unfolding, becoming increasingly probable.

[Rex]

57. Not a chance in hell.

[MrSlayer]

58. No, once we formally have a candidate and focus on him he's done.

Right now he's enjoying the free ride. Wait until Obama gets him the debates, he'll wipe him.

[Toasterlad]

59. He Has an Excellent Shot.

Now that the Democratic process has settled on the two least electable candidates, McCain must be turning geriatric handstands. I've always said that the only way the Democrats could lose this election is to nominate either Obama or Clinton, the candidates with the LEAST substance, and the ones most likely to polarize the right.

[Eric J in MN]

61. It's likely.

I'm not sure that it will happen.

[JeanGrey]

63. God help me but yes I do. I am scared shitless and if it

happens we've done it to ourselves................

[Jack Rabbit]

67. I don't

He falls short on every issue. He'll carry out the Bush policies in a more efficient way and with fewer cookies being surreptitiously pulled from the jar, but they're still the worng policies and nobody this side of the American Enterprise Institute wants any part of that.

Obama will draw 58% of the popular vote.

[Hekate]

70. If our 2 Dem candidates don't stop letting him run unopposed while they tear each other apart, yes

Our two candidates and their enablers are running against each other when they should be running against McCain full time. Except for Olbermann, McCain is also getting a free ride in the news media.

The American people are not stupid, but most of them also have lives and are not political junkies. Anyone who steps into GDP here would come away with the impression that both Clinton and Obama are scum, thanks to their respective supporters.

Whatever filters through to the public at large is getting to be damaging to our prospects.

While good old John McCain, the so-called straight talking maverick, is running unopposed.

The potential for a McCain win is there.

Hekate

[seabeyond]

71. no n/t

[Liberal In Texas]

73. I never thought the idiot son of a gangster could become pres....

...but here we are with GW* for 8 years.

I honestly thought that when they nominated * that there was no f'cking chance in hell anybody in the rest of the country would vote for him. His record in Texas was abysmal. But the great RW machine started up and the voting boxes and the disinformation and the Supreme Court and....voila! GWB* is now f@cked this country over.

So the answer to your question is yes, it could happen. And Lord help us all.

[KillCapitalism]

74. I think it really depends on what happens between now and then.

If things hold up they way they are, he will be very hard to beat.

However, I feel if gas prices go to $4-$5 a gallon, if violence in Iraq gets much worse, or the stock market finally tanks then he is not going to have much of a chance.

[Breeze54]

77. Standing on one hand, singing "God Bless America" in Swahili smoking a 'J'!

:P

[DFW]

79. So far, I don't even think Ralph Nader could arrange that, BUT

We could always try to find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
If the party continues it's primary version of Animal House, it might manage,
except that Clinton, Obama, or Gore SHOULD tear McCain apart in any campaign.

I say SHOULD, because I never underestimate the capacity for self-inflicted
wounds that our party seems to have. But, as things stand now, I'm still optimistic.

[Perry Logan]

80. I doubt if there's enough Kool-Aid in the world for McCain to (honestly) win.

[Jacobin]

81. Yes, because the media will make him look like the only reasonable choice

Hey. They made Bush look like the only reasonable choice and failed to report on his disastrous life before being selected president.

Just wait until they start tuning up in the general election.

Say Hello to President McSame

on edit:

As an example, see today's MSNBC headline: Obama bid built on billionaires and 'bundlers'

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24060056/


If anyone's candidacy was ever built on billionaires and bundlers it was Smirky, but when do you ever remember the MSM mentioning that?

[Sparkly]

83. Hey, a complete idiot (got into office) over Al Gore and John Kerry.

I can believe anything.

[KG]

84. the dem. party should have annointed Edwards early in the campaign = slam dunk win for the dems.

hillary as a candidate is pure madness. it's the self serving clintons fucking the dem party all over again.

[Catchawave]

90. What a year to be "historic".

I miss Edwards' vision.

[Time for change]

85. Whatever we believe, we have to take that possibility very seriously

If the Obama campaign doesn't take that possibility very seriously, then yes, McCain will probably win.

[TNOE]

87. No way in hell

the people are already pissed and want a new direction - wait & see where the economy & war are by November - I don't get these polls and when I heard it was a tie this morning - I said bullshit.

They are not taking into account the record number of new voters who are ready to thow this bunch out.

[LanternWaste]

88. All other things being equal, no...

All other things being equal, no...

The way things stand now, regardless of who the eventual Dem nominee is, I think we get 55%-65% of popular vote and 65%-75% of the electoral vote.

As things stand, I think the real wild card isn't who the dem nominee will be, but who the running mates will be.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

89. The Repub Party is Destroyed!!!

Deficit, war, oil. The Repub party has screwed everything up so much they cannot win.

EXCEPT,

sniping, swift-boating, selective disenfranchisement. The Democratic party as screwed itself up so much that the Repubs might actually pull this one off. Pulling defeat from the jaws of victory.

"I got a bad feeling about this"

[HughBeaumont]

91. It's not really McClown I'm worried about . . .

. . . it's the Dumberican voting public.

Will they go for the Voting Stupid Trifecta?

Will they indeed elect a doddering grump tied into all things Bewsh and Reagan, represents a continuation of their awful governance and who's frankly not really all that bright?

Will they continue to send this country on a rocket ride to the abyss until it becomes South America North?

OR will they come to their senses and pick the right person for the job?

[ThomWV]

93. Not a snowball's chance in hell.

[LeftishBrit]

98. For the sake of the world, I bloody hope not!

[Fireweed247]

103. No, but they will steal it.

Bush did not win in 2000 or 2004 but that did not stop them.

Those elections were never exposed for the fraud that they were, so why wouldn't they do it again?

[ellie]

104. No, he won't.

Not even on his best day. His time has past and people are stupid, not crazy.

[L. Coyote]

105. Did anyone here REALLY believe that Bush would beat Kerry or Gore??

Not to mention, Did anyone here believe that Bush REALLY did beat Kerry or Gore??

[pitohui]

106. yes, if they lie, cheat, and steal -- which they will

the other side will do everything they can to steal it, from the "october surprise" to get alzheimer's poster child reagan in office to the bloodless coup of 2000

do i think mccain can win a fair fight? well, that's another question, but i think anyone who believes the fight will be fair is not paying attention

they will try to steal it guaranteed

what are we prepared to do about it? anything? ever? because it's been 28 years since "october surprise" and nobody is in prison yet so why shouldn't they keep stealing?

[OmahaBlueDog]

107. I REALLY believe that McCain can win

However, if he wins, he may be saddled with a really hostile congress.

[malaise]

108. No

Rethugs will be wiped out come November and I mean wiped out.

[Skittles]

110. it could happen n/t

[Mind_your_head]

113. When the republicans CHEAT, unchallenged, yes....eom

edit: fat fingers, can't spell

[DesertRat]

114. I think it's highly possible

And that scares the hell out of me. :scared:

[tomreedtoon]

116. Depends on how good a sniper Cheney hires.

And if anyone says that the Republicans would never stoop to assassination to retain the White House, I have some delicious Kool-Aid for you to drink from the tub with the skull of a baby floating in it.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

117. Legitimately beat them.....no

Beat them via chicanery.....yes.

[oedura]

118. If the mere fact...

...that our country is full of idiots who wouldn't vote for a black man or a woman even if they think the only other candidate is a flaming tool doesn't win McCain the White House, the Republicans will just steal another election.

[Skittles]

119. very succinct and factually CORRECT

welcome to DU, oedura :hi:

[Hippo_Tron]

121. If Democrats get their shit together, he can be beaten and either candidate can beat him

The key to beating McCain is getting him to make gaffe after gaffe like Gerald Ford did. This is an election that will be largely about how well the Democrats run their campaign, almost more-so than who they end up nominating.

[Sewsojm]

122. Yes, because

Yes, because so many people believe all the lies and garbage that they hear on Faux, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc. Just the other day I was talking to my Heating & A/C service man about fuel prices and the economy, he asked me who I was going to vote for which I replied Obama, he got upset and said that McCain would be his pick and asked me if I knew what Obama's middle name was and then proceeded to tell me that his middle name was Hussein and how no one says anything about his middle name and how he's from "Over There" and is "One of Them". He also started up about how Black people thought Obama was for them when he's really a "Muslim" and for the "Terrorist" , needless to say I couldn't take anymore and made an excuse from the conversation.

[Locrian]

125. not about the candidates

Its not about the candidates, its about the voters. If the voters continue to act as "consumers" and want their every (conflicting) desire fulfilled, then yes, McLame CAN win by pandering to whatever the research data shows the voters will react to. Their unconscious desires, fears, etc.

We (the voter populace esp the swing voters) need to stop acting like consumers and start behaving like citizens. Otherwise we loose to the big business model.

Google Century of the Self. Watch the videos and ESPECIALLY video number 4. It will blow you away on why we are in this mess.

[AnnieBW]

127. Only if certain things happen

1. They rig the voting machines again
2. There's another "terra" attack right before the election that scares everyone into voting for McSame
3. The military catches UBL
4. Gas prices drop dramatically

If things stay the way they are, a ham sandwich would win the GE if it a Democrat.

[BeHereNow]

128. You are asking the wrong question-

Does any one really believe that "the powers" that be will
allow any person to become pResident who will
not continue to serve their corporatist global elite agenda?

Is the right question.

BHN

[LibDemAlways]

129. Yes, because he has the backing of the most

powerful interest group in America with the largest soapbox - the American media - which will waste no opportunity and spare no expense to distort the Democratic message, spread dirt about the Democratic ticket, and just plain lie at every turn. And the fact that millions of Americans are so easily duped by these thugs that they voted for the chimp twice, thereby probably making it close enough to steal again, leaves me little hope that the "straight to hell" express can be overcome.

[leeroysphitz]

130. I like your positive outlook but we can't afford to get cocky at this point. n/t