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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:47 PM
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"The Secret Government", Bill Moyers Documentary from 1987
Just came across the links to this PBS documentary from 1987 on a behind the scenes, secret government organizing black ops, coups, assassinations etc. as Bill says, "outside the legitimate institutions of goverment" and contrary to the US constitution. Why "gasp" it sounds almost like a "conspiracy".

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okZbQaUStOE

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MSzezjgrsA

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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:49 PM
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1. K&R
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:06 PM
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2. On Google VIDEO in its entirety = 1 hr 26 min Download, PLAY = LINK
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=350534865513711...

This is the full length 90 min. version of Bill Moyer's 1987 scathing critique of the criminal subterfuge carried out by the Executive Branch of the United States Government ... thrust of the expos is ... Iran-Contra ....
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:52 PM
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3. Thanks for the link, here are a few more.
Another documentary now available on Google Video is the 3 part BBC documentary on Operation Gladio. Gladio was The NATO/CIA led operation in Italy and other West European countries which organized secret armies to stay behind enemy lines in the event of a Soviet invasion of Europe to engage the enemy in guerrilla warfare. However, in some European countries (e.g. Italy) these secret armies worked in close cooperation with fascist and underground far right forces under the protection of the local security services to stage murderous terror attacks on civilians. These terror attacks were then blamed by governments and media on left wing radical and communist subversives. The idea was to discredit the left and left leaning politicians, and in the words of one of the Operation Gladio participants Vincenzo Vincinguerra, "to force the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security." ( http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8110.ht... )


Operation Gladio Documentary Part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=264709845600167...
Operation Gladio Documentary Part 2: http://www.blinkx.com/burl?v=9zGsW8dYysSnK13DpCefyOt2zk...
Operation Gladio Documentary Part 3: http://www.blinkx.com/burl?v=7CmNgyOnpYyzVWONcCHHY_-NDq...


NATO's Secret Army: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe by Danile Ganser

Book Description
The CIA and the British secret service MI6, in collaboration with the military alliance NATO and European military secret services set up a network of clandestine anticommunist armies in Western Europe after World War II. The secret soldiers were trained on remote islands in the Mediterranean and in unorthodox warfare centers in England and in the United States by the Green Berets and SAS Special Forces. The network was armed with explosives, machine guns and high-tech communication equipment hidden in underground bunkers and secret arms caches in forests and mountain meadows. In some countries, the secret army linked up with right-wing terrorists who in a secret war engaged in political manipulation, harassment of left wing parties, massacres, coup d'etats and torture.

Codenamed "Gladio" ('the sword'), the Italian secret army was exposed in 1990 by Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti to the Italian Senate, whereupon the press spoke of the "the best kept, and most damaging, political-military secret since World War II" (Observer, 18. November 1990) and observed that "The story seems straight from the pages of a political thriller." (The Times, November 19, 1990). Ever since, so-called 'stay-behind' armies of NATO have also been discovered in France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxemburg, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Austria, Greece and Turkey. They were internationally coordinated by the Pentagon and NATO and had their last known meeting in the NATO-linked Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC) in Brussels in October 1990.

http://www.amazon.com/NATOs-Secret-Army-Operation-Conte...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:01 PM
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4. IMO, this story and all its connected matters is the reason establishment powerstructure would never
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 04:02 PM by blm
let Kerry get into the WH - and that includes the Dem powerstructure who actually supported and protected BushInc on these illegal operations in the 80s and throughout the 90s as they marched down the path to Global Fascism.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:20 PM
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5. This group is back in power because Bush pardoned so many of them.
Iran-Contra lost steam because the criminals were pardoned.
I hope we learned that lesson this time, and punish crimes instead, so they do not commit them again.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:15 PM
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7. I hope we learned that lesson this time, and punish crimes instead,
I would like to think we learned the lesson, but I really doubt it. This latest bunch of war criminals will go free and unpunished just like their Iran Contra predecessors.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:00 PM
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8. CIA drugrunning report would have reopened IranContra if there was anyone in DC in 96 with the power
to do so. The only Dem with any power in 96 was Clinton and his WH.

There was also the even BIGGER matters in BCCI which were handed to Clinton when he took office.

He didn't exactly have his DoJ comb through that did he?
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:27 PM
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6. K&R n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:15 PM
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9. K&R! -- nt
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:26 PM
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10. Bush I running things underneath raygun.
I just today read an essay called "The Case for sedition" by Al Martin, almartinraw.com, it's amazing haw much shit turns around an ends up pointing at poppie and is family, learned well from Prescot.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:58 AM
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11. Yup, Prescott Bush was probably one of those positive thinking types.
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 08:10 AM by JohnyCanuck
If at first you don't succeed, try and try again. If he couldn't get his fascist conspiracy to stage a coup and takeover the government to succeed, just past the torch on to his kids and grandkids and let them have another go 'round at it. This time it's starting to look like they might get away with it.

Edited to change link to point directly to the BBC web site and to add the following snip from the BBC web site:


The White House Coup

Document uncovers details of a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by right-wing American businessmen
View a picture gallery of images related to this edition.

The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bushs Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.

Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American democracy.

www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723...
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:04 AM
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12. K&R
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:07 AM
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13. BBC Newsnight discovers photos of CIA operatives at the RFK assassination.

CIA role claim in Kennedy killing

New video and photographic evidence that puts three senior CIA operatives at the scene of Robert Kennedy's assassination has been brought to light.

The evidence is a result of a three year investigation

The evidence was shown in a report by Shane O'Sullivan, broadcast on BBC Newsnight.

It reveals that the operatives and four unidentified associates were at the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles in the moments before and after the shooting on 5 June, 1968.

The CIA had no domestic jurisdiction and some of the officers were based in South-East Asia at the time, with no reason to be in Los Angeles.

SNIP

Three of these men have been positively identified as senior officers who worked together in 1963 at JMWAVE, the CIA's Miami base for its Secret War on Castro.

David Morales was Chief of Operations and once told friends:

"I was in Dallas when we got the son of a bitch and I was in Los Angeles when we got the little bastard."

Gordon Campbell was Chief of Maritime Operations and George Joannides was Chief of Psychological Warfare Operations.

Joannides was called out of retirement in 1978 to act as the CIA liaison to the Congressional investigation into the JFK assassination. Now, we see him at the Ambassador Hotel the night a second Kennedy is assassinated.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/6169006...


Watch this BBC Newsnight episode here:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkkUJp2pi3Q
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMOeE4qn_V4

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:10 AM
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14. K&R Has it already been posted in the Political Videos forum?
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:56 PM
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15. K&R n/t
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:41 PM
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16. kick n/t
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:17 PM
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17. by coincidence, just watched it today...
truly required viewing - I can think of nothing else that introduces the national security state, its history and inherent tendency to crime, and the contradiction between secret power and the republican or democratic conceptions of government.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:11 AM
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18. Video documentary on the Iran Contra scandal and the subsequent coverup.
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