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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:59 PM
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WHAT? COMMUNIST CHINESE TROOPS ON AMERICAN SOIL TODAY IN SAN FRANCISCO?
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 01:00 PM by redacted
Published: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 | 4:22 PM ET
Canadian Press: Anita Chang, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

BEIJING - They wear bright blue tracksuits and Beijing Olympic organizers call them "flame attendants." But a military bearing hints at their true pedigree: paramilitary police sent by Beijing to guard the Olympic flame during its journey around the world.

Torchbearers have criticized the security detail for aggressive behaviour, and a top London Olympics official simply called them "thugs."

"They were barking orders at me, like 'Run! Stop! This! That!' and I was like, 'Oh my gosh, who are these people?"' former television host Konnie Huq told British Broadcasting Corp. radio about her encounter with the men in blue during London's leg of the relay Sunday.

So far, the "29th Olympic Games Torch Relay Flame Protection Unit" - as the squad is officially known - has kept the flame from being seized during chaotic, protest-filled runs through Paris and London.

Its mettle is likely to be further tested Wednesday in San Francisco, where activists protesting China's crackdown in Tibet and its human rights record have promised widespread demonstrations.

MORE
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/080408/w040863A.html

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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:03 PM
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1. ARTICLE CONTINUES:
Members were picked from special police units of the People's Armed Police, China's internal security force. The requirements for the job: to be "tall, handsome, mighty, in exceptional physical condition similar to that of professional athletes," the state-run China News Service said.

Special police units are the top tier of the paramilitary corps, chosen for skills in martial arts, marksmanship and hand-to-hand combat, according to sinodefense.com, a British-based website specializing in Chinese military affairs.


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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:15 PM
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6. It has come to this.....................
.........great! :crazy:
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:04 PM
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2. San Francisco should prove interesting.
I know that there is a local contingent headed across the Bridge. There has been quite a bit of talk about this here on the Bay.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:07 PM
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3. Right Tom. Things could get very ugly today in San Francisco.
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 01:27 PM by redacted
It's completely illegal for these Chinese troops to be in California for any reason, and things could get very ugly today in San Francisco.

KTVU Channel 2 in Oakland plans live coverage.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:57 PM
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22. That's why I am not going.
I don't want to be part of a really bad deal, I have enough of those already under my belt.

And we do the majority of our buying in China (and some in Tibet). Those bastards would probably lift our ticket if I was arrested.
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 02:33 PM
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194. That's why you should go..STAND YOUR GROUND
Did you vote for the NWO? NO!

This is an invasion...and you'd rather stay home and watch in on TV?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 06:52 PM
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199. I don't watch TV.
And after today's newspapers are out of the rack, the whole thing will be out of sight and out of mind.

There really isn't much that can be done, unfortunately.
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:10 PM
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149. I am astonished that a democrat would be this ignorant.
When Bush goes to China, he has his secret service with him. These Chinese security people have visa, which means permission from our government to come here. Hello!!!!
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:07 PM
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4. There is a huge Chinese-American population in San Francisco.
I wonder what they are saying about it.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:21 PM
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7. Well, to be sure they were probably happy about the Olympics
being in China but this torch thing really rains on their parade of pride.

I think this torch thing is getting out of hand (no pun intended). Just run the torch all over China instead of the world.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:29 PM
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9. I am of two minds
I am sure the Chinese and descendants are proud the oplymics are being held there and I hate that the torch run is turning into this mess. It is not the Chinese people's fault that their govt. is doing what they are doing. Just look at what our govt is doing against our will. So I am ambivalent.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:35 PM
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12. Don't we have any Chinese Americans at DU?
:shrug:
I don't feel comfortable putting words in anyone's mouths.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:44 PM
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16. Probably
I am just one of those people who constantly try to put myself in other's places. I could be totally wrong. :shrug:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:03 PM
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25. I wasn't picking on you,
though it may have looked that way. :hi:
I was sort of hoping a Chinese American would speak up, though.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:38 PM
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70. What percentage of my ancestry needs to be Chinese to speak for Chinese Americans?
Can I speak for a quarter of them - or will only a quarter of what I say count?

:rofl:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:05 PM
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91. Sorry? Did I offend?
Good grief. :eyes:
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:37 PM
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121. You don't need to do the eye roll thing
you didn't offend me anyway.

I'm sure you understand that no one person can speak for their entire race.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:40 PM
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14. No one here is protesting the Chinese people.
We're protesting their government just like we protest our own criminals.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:23 PM
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63. Oh, you just wait....!
You can bet there are people and spin doctors who just waiting for the chance to hate another race of people and dupe Bush supporters into thinking "They hate us for our freedoms".
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:49 PM
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142. Of course. That's what they're paid to do -- set us against each other. n/t
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #142
190. Like the "tower of Babel".
As a kid growing up under the shadow of fundlementalist upbringing and them telling us how God is Love and wants us to get along, I could never understand that Bible story. At first everyone was getting along and then God decides he doesn't want a tower reaching to heaven so he makes everyone speak other languages so they can't work together anymore. For one thing, the lack of oxegen in higher elevations would be the problem.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 02:28 PM
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193. That story never made sense to me either but I was a lazier
thinker than you are and just figured God knew what he was doing. lol :)

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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 03:26 PM
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197. Ha! I'm sure God had nothing to do with it...it was those Union busters!
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #14
151. Protesting their government for cracking down on the tibetian Talibans?
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:11 PM
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150. They turned out in thousands in support of China.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:40 PM
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162. chinese embasy here bussed lots of chinese in
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:08 PM
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5. Shoot'em
On second thought we better not because they'll get back at us by calling in the debt that dubya left for us.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:31 PM
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11. Stone me, I agree with you.
Redstone
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:19 PM
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115. The world must of just spun off its axis
:wow:
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:26 PM
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8. Fascism knows no borders
I always knew Bush was the Manchurian Candidate.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:31 PM
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10. If Clinton had allowed this, Sean Hannity would be in the street with a bullhorn.
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 01:33 PM by IanDB1
Are they putting strange stickers on the back of street signs to guide the tanks of their invading armies?

That's what right-wing radio said Clinton was doing for the United Nations forces supposedly hiding in our national parks.

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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:38 PM
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13. IF FOREIGN TROOPS BEAT UP AMERICANS ON AMERICAN SOIL TODAY you'll see it all over the Web:
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 01:40 PM by redacted
KGO-TV live coverage starts at 1PM PT here:
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/feature?section=news&id=6069...
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:48 PM
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36. I can only get Ch 2 (KTVU) to work.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:43 PM
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125. I wouldn't exactly call China a communist country, just totalitarian.
Using slave labor to fill the Walmarts of the world is not a communist practice. The cultural revolution in China began as a communist one, but it hasn't been communist for quite awhile.
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:59 PM
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158. It's a lie. that's why you don't see it.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:41 PM
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15. Well, you'd be surprised at how many foreign military officers are on our soil here.
And there are a few places where we give foreign militaries "basing" rights--usually not much more than, say, a building with a flag in front of it and maybe a chunk of parking apron beside a runway...but it's true. And not just your cheery Brits (who often come to play the aggressors during their bad weather months), your mysterious Turks (who do a lot of logistics work in PA and elsewhere), your tacitern Germans (who are in NM and at Dulles airport, for starters)...we just don't "advertise it" much.


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:46 PM
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17. Are there riots yet?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:50 PM
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18. News is saying a peaceful demonstration. I can't go
but if anything shakes loose, I'll try to post.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:53 PM
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20. Chinese police in America. If that doesn't take the fucking cake!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:01 PM
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24. There are a lot of people out on the street. The PD are trying to
stay on top of where the crowds seem to be gathering. (I mostly trust the SFPD to just try to keep things cool but the Homeland Sekurity F#ckers, not so much.)

Only under Bush could this even be possible. Hosting suppressive murderers. I don't even recognize this country any more.

My favorite supervisor used his email list to get people out on the street today. If I have to confront fascist @ssholes, it's good to be here, anyway, with people like Chris.



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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:33 PM
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29. Keep us posted.
One of my best friends is a SF Sheriff depute and she had to go out on patrol for this. I've been tex-ting her. I don't know where she's at right now. But she's afraid it's going to get real ugly. There are rumors that some people might try and set themselves on fire. Just a rumor she heard. But you never.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:40 PM
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32. Thank God for TiVo. I have to go out for 15, but will pause it
and shot the images and post.

Hope your friend stays safe, ronny. I trust the demonstrators not to do what they abhor. :hug:

The weird thing, do a search. No images. :wtf:

:tinfoilhat:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:51 PM
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19. The United States cannot allow them to touch American citizens.
We have laws against assault and battery. If these thugs touch any American without good reason, the thugs should be arrested and charged just like any other civilian would be. If they violate American law, they must be deported. That is what happens to any visitor who violates American law. These thugs may be part of the Chinese military in China, but they have no police authority in the United States.
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:04 PM
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174. Did you see any of them attack anyone? Why do you call them thugs?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:54 PM
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198. A woman in London alleged that they tore a symbol for free Tibet
off of her clothing. Only thugs would do that.

The Tibet issue is one of religious freedom. If the Chinese did not suppress the Tibetan religion and the Dalai Lama, there would be no problem. The Dalai Lama finds support in America because of his philosophy, not his political platform.

A personal aside: From my point of view as an American, I will say this: If Texas wants to secede, so be it. We've had three Texan presidents, and they have all been absolutely awful. We don't need any more Texans in the White House. I will temper my statement by apologizing to decent, law abiding, Democratic Texans.

By the way, the person who wrote the text for the video needs to review the infinitive forms of English verbs. to do, to go, to be, to say, to sing, to write, to free, to suppress, to enjoy, to worship.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:53 PM
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21. We need to alert the Third Amendment Foundation at once
Before they force us to let them sleep in our homes.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:59 PM
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23. As navy seal Jessie Ventura told Colbert last night, they have to sleep sometime.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:27 PM
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26. 5K people reported to be just at the intersection of Embarcadero and Folsom. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:31 PM
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27. The SFPD are planning to surround the torch runners to keep them safe.
San Francisco is out on the street. :woohoo:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:33 PM
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28. Will Hannity and Coultergeist and Lou Dobbs salute Chinese soldiers that beat down American
protesters
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #28
128. Why are you lumping Dobbs in with those two clowns?
Lou Dobbs has spent much of the past few years blasting China for its abysmal human rights record.
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:07 PM
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175. You bet the secret service will beat down a Chinese in China on chinese soil
if someone tries to harm Bush. Don't you know anything?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:34 PM
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30. I just did a search to post photos and nada on the net.
:shrug:
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:52 PM
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39. Thanks Expat. Good to hear from you. There are plenty of photos from London and Paris
from the last couple of days, and live coverage on most of our Bay Area stations is supposed to begin on broadcast and the Net in about 10 minutes. I hope we'll see some YouTube videos posted shortly, too, because the world's attention is clearly focused on San Francisco this afternoon.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:00 PM
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48. City Hall is all tied up. Which is a good thing to my mind.
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 03:00 PM by sfexpat2000
There are also thousands of people out on the streets here in support of China and the Chinese people.

I only hope the two groups, who really have no beef with each other, don't hurt anyone. :(
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:54 PM
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41. KRON had some earlier.
So did KGO-7.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:56 PM
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43. I'm taking some now of the Ch2 broadcast.
I'll post them later after my poor dog gets to pee. :P
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:36 PM
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31. There are thousands of people on the street.
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 02:42 PM by sfexpat2000
WHY ARE THERE NO IMAGES ON THE NET?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:42 PM
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33. My cousin does traffic on a local channel. They have him on now
which he never is.

GO, SAN FRANCISCO!

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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:57 PM
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44. He's your COUSIN??
Oh my god. I remember him when I lived in SF. He's a good reporter.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:57 PM
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46. And, he's single!
lol

:hi:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:47 PM
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34. Paramilitary, police folks first I am not surprised
second, they are probably getting diplomatic immunity

Third, when we have national leaders travel from our borders they take around a protection team that is technically paramilitary too

So that one doesn't shock me.

Now if they violate US Laws... they will be shipped out of the country as personna non-grata... just as a secret service person would as well

Same status...

And no, not defending the Chinese, just happen to have a clue about how this works
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:47 PM
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35. The rumor is that the relay will be turned around to avoid the protesters
and head back to Justin Herman Plaza.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:50 PM
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37. Channel 2 reporting that SFPD, CHP, the County Sheriffs and HLS
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 02:52 PM by sfexpat2000
is lining the route - and they are vastly outnumbered.

Ch 2 is only reporting this story right now.

/accuracy
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:52 PM
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38. I'm streaming Ch 2.
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 02:53 PM by ronnykmarshall
My friend just texted me a bit ago. She's probably getting in place and can't text back right now.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:54 PM
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42. I don't think anyone will get hurt. I hope not.
:(
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:00 PM
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49. San Mateo too.
Just got a text.

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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:52 PM
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40. I hope these guys get their asses kicked
Mob style.
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:02 PM
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160. What guys?
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:15 PM
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178. You sir, are a TROLL. Every response you have includes YouTube propaganda
designed to create HATRED against the Tibetans and create the illusion that the Chinese government is innocent.

It's flamebait, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:57 PM
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45. Hey folks, without recommendations, nobody else on DU is seeing this thread.
If you want the DU folks in Houston (where I am temporarily right now) and Chicago and Boston and Atlanta to see this live video coverage, better rate this thread up NOW.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:58 PM
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47. Error . . .
Thanks for posting, redacted!
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:01 PM
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50. KGO-7 live video ONLINE STARTING NOW at this address:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. Sal is telling people to try to get their cars out of San Francisco
from his CH 2 venue.

That means, we are rocking, people!

:woohoo:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #51
54. Sounds like they ARE going to shorten it.
My friend is near the ballpark. She just text'd me a pic of her riot helmet. :scared: I wish she had a nice desk job instead!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Damn Ch 2 said people were out at 6am.
Some of the pro-China peeps.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:08 PM
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55. KPIX has chopper raw video of protesters SHUTTING DOWN THE EMBARCADERO
and forcing busses and other traffic to divert to sidestreets. See it here on demand:

http://cbs5.com /
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:11 PM
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57. Baby!
lol!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:28 PM
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68. K&R
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:06 PM
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53. Ch2: "There is a small area over here where the dignataries will be sitting."
Who the F dignataries will those be? We need to find out. :grr:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #53
62. Gavin, Willie and I don't know who else yet.
I know Willie was supposed to "run" with the torch.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:22 PM
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102. He's being driven to wherever they wind up, far as I can tell.
It's a shame. Wille was an awesome Democrat, a dirty fighter in a dirty state legislature who figured out how to win for us. I'm sorry he didn't get to enjoy this honor in peace. I don't agree with him but, he really has already earned this. :(
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:09 PM
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56. CH2 is reporting that the the 3rd Street Bridge was closed down
early this morning to prevent protesters from setting up.

Thanks, Gavin!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:14 PM
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58. Stir in the Coast Guard and the FBI according to CH2.
Because peaceniks are so f#cking dangerous.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:17 PM
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59. There are are boats in the bay that have "Free Tibet" banners and signs. nt
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #59
64. Text from my friend -
EMBARCADERO TAKEN OVER!!!

Scared!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:19 PM
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60. The relay with be turned around at Sansome and Chestnut
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 03:20 PM by sfexpat2000
-- at Pier 39 --so the supporters and the protesters are moving accordingly. The route has been considerably shortened.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:21 PM
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61. Out for a few. But, the end point at Justin Herman Plaza
is PACKED. Taking pix off of the teevee screen. b.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:25 PM
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65. Are they playing the music that loud to drown out all the protesters at McCovey Cove?
Incredibly loud, distorted audio after that last chorus of boos.
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:27 PM
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66. Putting aside politics...
... what a stupid ritual.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:28 PM
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67. They're here just to check out their future real estate. nt
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:35 PM
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69. UH-OH. The torch has been "disappeared." Nobody seems to know where it went.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #69
77. Just send them one of these and be done with it...

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:43 PM
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71. There seems to be a convoy exiting a building at Pier 39.
They're headed south away from the park.

(Just got back in.)

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #71
74. LOL Torch Underground! LOL
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:46 PM
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72. K & R! BASTARDS!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:46 PM
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73. Watching local CH11 right now.
Willie Brown reporting a number of diversions.

(And in itself THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS because the protesters have been peaceful.)

"The run has been destroyed." -- Willie Brown.

The torch is being driven (to Justin Herman Plaza?).

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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #73
79. What's ch 11's website.
Ch 2 is dull right now.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:54 PM
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82. Here and loading slowly:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:47 PM
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75. "Red Dawn"
is how another segment of the population sees it. They are in considerably more danger than from Tibet protesters. Are these Hong Kong police? That would seem to make some sense but isn't that style of law enforcement pretty brutal as well?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:47 PM
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76. There will be a closing ceremony at Justin Herman Plaza. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:50 PM
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78. Our idiot local media is trying to frame this as a conflict
between the pro=Chinese people and the anti-Chinese government protesters. F#ckheads.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #78
83. Leslie Blitzer on CNN was talking about "all the violence in Paris and London"
:rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #83
85. There are thousands of people along the route.
They vastly outnumber law enforcement.

If they wanted to make trouble, they could set fire to this town.

They didn't.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:01 PM
Original message
Some woman on CNN is talking about how "my heart goes out to the runners"
because those mean, mean protestors dared to show up!

Direct quote: "They prepare for days for this. My heart goes out to them, they have to deal with all of this at a moment which should be a happy time for them."


:puke: :puke:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:04 PM
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90. It's bullshit. It has been peaceful. n/t
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:05 PM
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92. Do you know how many have showed up? I don't trust the MSM at all.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #92
93. And you shouldn't! I don't know yet. But this town turned out big time.
I'll scout around and see if I can find out. It may be until tomorrow.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #93
95. I remember them claiming the RNC protests only brought ~100,000
which was obviously bullshit - closer to a million.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:12 PM
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97. My guesstimate from watching the teevee is at least half a million.
If not more. And, people are still gathering.

I have no doubt it will not be reported.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:13 PM
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98. It sure looks that way from what I see too.
Hey China, it's called free speech. Welcome to the free world.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #85
88. Some woman on CNN is talking about how "my heart goes out to the runners"
because those mean, mean protestors dared to show up!

Direct quote: "They prepare for days for this. My heart goes out to them, they have to deal with all of this at a moment which should be a happy time for them."


:puke: :puke:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #78
168. NPR yesterday said that the protests were over "concerns about human
rights abuses and an ALLEGED crackdown in Tibet".
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:52 PM
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80. THEY HAD TO PUT THE TORCH AND THE RUNNERS INTO CARS
AND DRIVE THEM TO THE CLOSING CERMONY!

And, NOT because of violence. This is just the RW spin -- a way to avoid what people are saying.

FREE TIBET!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. OMG.
:rofl: DRIVE THEM
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #81
86. Chinese Troops Invade U.S. !!! Let's Go To War .....
against the evil empire in China!

Really folks. I thought everyone on DU was free from zenophobia and racism. Guess I was wrong.

Is everyone here familiar with the CIA's long role and history in Tibet? If not, check it out!
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:11 AM
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182. Excuse me? This situation, and this post, is NOT AT ALL what you assume it's about.
You're new around here, aren't you?

I'M VERY OFFENDED that you would say I'm a racist or a xenophobe. I like all individuals of Chinese ancestry; our family doctor is one and he is a great person. I don't give a damm about the Tibet situation and that's not what my OP is about. Go back and read it.

My OP is about the likely possibility that FOREIGN troops will be used on American soil and may injure or kill protesters. The British, who since 2005 have a national law prohibiting non-permitted demonstrations, had no difficulty allowing the Chinese elite unit to beat up their citizens at the London torch run.

This post and this thread is about how our beloved American sovereignty is now under attacks on multiple fronts--first by NAFTA and the Trans-Texas superhighway, to the Amero as a unit of currency replacing the Dollar, and now to attempts to condition the public that the use of FOREIGN TROOPS on American soil is acceptable under certain circumstances--when it NEVER is acceptable UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES under our Constitution.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #81
159. The Rosie Ruiz Olympic Torch Relay! nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:57 PM
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84. Our local media is playing up the potential violence
and there hasn't been any.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:00 PM
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87. What I'm looking at looks like what your government will do
to avoid facing the people.

Excuse me while I

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:03 PM
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89. I'm seeing an image of two runners surrounded by bike cops.
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 04:03 PM by sfexpat2000
And I'm not seeing anyone attempting to hurt those two runners.

eta: They are on Van Ness and there are few people there because they changed the route. So, those two runners have no audience.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #89
96. Running amokunderground?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:09 PM
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94. I'm seeing a very heavily guarded group moving down Van Ness
with virtually no one along the route. "Traffic is at a stand still" -- CH 11.

(What if you gave an event and didn't let anyone come?)
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #94
101. I'm streaming an SF station
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 04:21 PM by WolverineDG
they're blaming the protestors for creating an "environment of fear." :grr:

dg
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #101
103. Oh, yeah! Those peaceful demonstrators -- they are the problem.
Let's reflect for a moment on how much restraint my neighbors have to turn out in the tens of thousands PEACEFULLY.

:grr:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #103
104. No fake
The only ones who have to fear anything are the guilty parties.

dg
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:28 PM
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107. And they project their guilt back on us endlessly. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:15 PM
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99. What a bunch of youknowwhat.
Local media reinforcing the non-danger the runners were / are in.

It seems as though they are trying to get to the plaza to get through the closing ceremony. Meanwhile, us local viewers are being treated to bullshit about how the runners where in danger. :puke:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:18 PM
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100. Our local media people are also scrambling to catch up with
the new route.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:27 PM
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105. David Perry, SF Relay Spokesperson reiterating that protesters
are to blame for an atmosphere of fear.

F#CK YOU, David, the first Amendment is still in force and, FREE TIBET.
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:28 PM
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106. Thank you very much
for this thread.

I would have never known all this if I couldn't read it here.
I'm certainly not going to believe what they tell me on the corporate news.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #106
181. PM (private message) me if you want to know how I got tipped off. It was NOT through DU or the MSM.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:30 PM
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108. My local news: "Do you see any signs of protesters out here?" --
as if they're asking about monsters.

And, this is San Francisco.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:32 PM
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109. SF CH11: "There's so many cops out here, it's unbelievable."
(The last runner is saying he will run about two blocks to the end. What a disgusting disgrace.)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:35 PM
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110. CH11: Protesters are arriving at the plaza. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:36 PM
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111. Hand off to two new runners. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:40 PM
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112. Sal says they may not close at Justin Herman Plaza. (Watching CH2 now).
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #112
113. Heading towards the marina perhaps
that's what was just said on the stream I've got

dg
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #112
114. I got back a few minutes ago --
from the ballpark -- what a goddamn clusterfuck this whole thing was. :mad:

The only thing I want to know is if this was the plan from the start -- to bypass the published route as a way to avoid the majority of protesters. And was Newsom in on this. If he was, man, he is going to hear an earful from me. :mad :mad:

You are right, there was NO violence goling on, just lots of heated verbal back and forth. There is no reason the torch could have gone down the original route. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #114
116. Listening to Sal on CH2. It looks like they're heading to the GG.
And, I'll have to chew him out for implying that protesters were any threat at ALL today.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #116
117. Is Sal your cousin??
He almost hit me in his car once, years ago. :D

I am really, really pissed off for all the people who showed up to see this event - it wasn't just the protestors and supporters who showed, but lots of regular folk who just wanted to see the torch come through.

I just can't believe they pulled this shit.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #117
118. His dad was my surrogate Dad.
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 05:34 PM by sfexpat2000
And a really, really good one. :)

This event has now descended into tragi-comedy.

Can you BELIEVE this is happening in San Francisco?

eta: Yes, Salvita is my mom's brother's first. lol

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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #118
120. Sal the Traffic Guy??
Little geeky guy with glasses? I always see him when I'm in the BA.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #120
127. If you call my cousin a little geek, I'll have to fuck you up.
:rofl:

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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #127
154. Nah I love his traffic reports!!
He's funny and very endearing. In most major markets the anchors are either old veterans or models who can read barely read a teleprompter. It's nice seeing someone like Sal.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #154
180. I remember when he used to drive his parents mad
asking them "why?" about everything.

That two year old "why, dad?" that impells you to resist homicide because you are a blood relation. lol

Sal's sister, Elena, just had her first, a girl. All 250 of us here in the Bay Area are still celebrating. :)
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #118
122. It's a total joke.
The city is basically locked down.

Just got a text from my friend ... they are staged at JHP. It could get ugly when they tell the folks they cancelled the closing thingy.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:47 PM
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126. It's gonna be a long night. n/t
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #126
132. Hey Chris Daly was just on Ch 7.
He's cute!

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:59 PM
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134. I missed it!
Chris is great. And cute. :)
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #134
146. Yes indeed!
What's the news saying? I just got home and I'm trying to stream any SF station. Just short reports on the LA news.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #146
155. They weenied out and bailed to the airport.
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 07:37 PM by sfexpat2000
The torch is on a plane and will be going on to Argentina.

I'm thinking, with all the Chinese and Asian Americans in SF, today was HUGE. HUGE. Because most of the spokespeople I saw on the teevee speaking for Tibet were of Asian extraction. :toast:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #126
148. Embarc looks like it's clearing out.
Saw a live report on our Ch 7 just now. My friend and I were texting back and forth the last hour. Sounds like it's clearing out. Don't know how long she has to stay on duty. I hope she took BART into the city. Traffic is gonna suck.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #148
163. Aaron and the other progressive supes have called out Newsom.
This is going to be a three hanky drama. lol
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #116
119. Oh no!
Cousin fight!

Now they are moving it to SFO.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #116
124. TEN Muni lines are affected!
I can bet people working downtown are PISSED!!

Commute from the financial dist is bad enough on a regular day.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:41 PM
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123. I'm certain
they are capitalist Chinese troops if anything.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:51 PM
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129. So, it looks like the caravan is trying to sneak out to the airport.
What a disgrace.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:54 PM
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130. Wait, are these the "Chinese troops" we're talking about?

If so, I'm not afraid of escorts in baby blue track suits.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #130
157. Ya, where are their assault rifles and paramilitary uniforms?
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 07:54 PM by pinniped
They are wearing light blue. They must be the UN troops in disguise, here on our soil to take over the US and take your guns away.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #130
186. Look at the photos of London demonstrators getting beaten up by Chinese security
before making stupid and distracting comments like this one. What does the color of their outfits have to do with anything?

Besides, from the photo and video coverage alone we don't know who those two particular guys in the blue running suits are; I thought they were a couple of the runners, ready to take the torch for the relay run.

Remarks like yours give the Freepers good reason to label us as "DUmmies." Stop embarassing us.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:55 PM
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131. The caravan is going to the airport per CH 2. n/t
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:59 PM
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133. OMG! They finally finished the tunnel!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:07 PM
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135. Local CH2 is saying today was a success from the SFPD
and the mayor's viewpoint.

(Our board of supervisors will be weighing in on how Newsom worked to fool us about the route. Nobody is really stressing. That's just what Newsom does.)

They don't say that the protesters that outnumbered law enforcement were peaceful.

But, we routed them. They weren't allowed to run down our streets in part honoring a government as criminal as our own.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #135
136. Awesome reporting, sfexpat!!
I don't know how to thank you enough. Without you, we would have never known...

:pals:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:17 PM
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137. The closing ceremony will be held at the airport which isn't in SF.
GOOD WORK, SAN FRANCISCO. I'm so proud of you today. :yourock:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #137
139. No more teevee news until 5pm -- in 30 minutes.
The word is, the caravan is at the airport and will fly to Argentina at 9pm.

Argentina, you're up!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #139
147. Don't cry for me ARRRRGENTINAAAAA!
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #137
140. Ceremony at the airport? Uhm, festive...
and fitting, alright. :eyes:

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #140
141. "Take this torch and stuff it --"
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 06:41 PM by sfexpat2000
The point has been made.

I feel badly for many of my neighbors who looked forward to this but, imho, we did the right thing.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #135
138. Sometimes, Money trumps Peace.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/02/2007021...

THE PRESIDENT: It's an interesting question. One of the problems -- not specifically on this issue, just in general -- let's put it this way, money trumps peace, sometimes. In other words, commercial interests are very powerful interests throughout the world. And part of the issue in convincing people to put sanctions on a specific country is to convince them that it's in the world's interest that they forgo their own financial interest.

And John, that's why sometimes it's tough to get tough economic sanctions on countries. And I'm not making any comment about any particular country, but you touched on a very interesting point.


~ * talking about Iran.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #138
144. It didn't today.
:)
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #135
152. Still waiting to hear from my homegirl.
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 07:31 PM by ronnykmarshall
I wanna get all the dirt. Text messages don't cut it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #152
171. Has she gotten clear yet?
:hi:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #171
189. FYI - I got a text from here around 5 she was going to city hall.
She was on her way to the press conference. I called her mom to tell her she was OK. She said everything when ok and things went very peaceful.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #189
195. Good to hear that!
:hi:
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:50 PM
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143. Bunch of lies.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #143
145. Interesting. I recommend inquiring minds to view this.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #145
177. I watched it, and it's pure bullshit.
Don't fall for that Chinese propaganda man.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #177
183. gotcha.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #143
153. Ah, Sonnenschein is back. Yay!
He's been debunked in a previous thread about Tibet.

Bezahlen sie dich gut fr deine propaganda, Sonnenscheinchen? Oder sprichst du kein Deutsch?

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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #153
156. what did you debunk?
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 07:57 PM by Sonnenschein
Willst du dich mit mir im Deutsch messen, musst du noch 20 Jahre lernen.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=acHkXqik_Bo
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #156
161. Deflection, aka weasel words. Just answer the question:
do they pay you well for your propaganda, Sunshine?

Woher willst du wissen dass ich noch 20 Jahre lernen muss? Oder dass ich mich mit jemandem wie du messen will? Dein Deutsch ist brigens sehr gespreizt und veraltet.

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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #161
165. Blame Goethe and Schiller fr mein veraltes Deutsch!
Wirst du bezahlt, um die Lgen zu verbreiten? http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1206658887....
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #165
169. Why blame anyone else for what you are solely responsible? Just keep on bumping
this thread to the top, that's good enough, thank you! I want people to read this story, make up their own minds, and recognize who the disinformation agents are.

:P
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #169
170. A Dummkopf with no sense of humor!
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 09:39 PM by Sonnenschein
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:20 PM
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167. Woher willst du wissen dann, dass ich bezahlt wurde? Idiot!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #143
172. You must be joking.
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 09:49 PM by sfexpat2000
Do you think you can bring this shit here and be believed?

Welcome to the little club of people I don't need to waste my time on.
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #172
173. Is Noam Chomsky shit to you? Is Michael Parenti shit to you?
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #143
185. Because, of course, YouTube videos are credible sources of info nowadays
I made it through the first 5 minutes before I was :rofl: at it. Even the music it was set to was a joke.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:47 PM
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164. say it isn't so
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Sonnenschein Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:15 PM
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166. Let Noam Chomsky talk some senses into you.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:39 PM
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176. I'm fine with protesting China's treatment of Tibet and all
but - the headline reads like some idiocy from FR.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #176
179. Don't be taken off task by little things.
But, you know that already.

lol
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #176
184. Hey, I wrote that headline and I think YOUR comment is idiocy.
Stop insulting me and the many others at DU who share my concern. Reread my OP and then read my remarks in post 182, this thread.

Your screen name sure as hell fits, Stupidity.

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 06:18 AM
Response to Reply #184
188. There are foreign government 'forces' of all sorts over here
doing various stuff with the full approval of our government all the time. It is a perfectly normal condition. Your headline reads like some rightwingt idiocy from FR. Like I said, I support the protests against the policies of the Chinese government with respect to tTibet and Darfur. I am opposed to idiotic 1950's style red scare nonsense. I am not insulting your concern, I am insulting your stupid headline.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:39 AM
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187. It sure hurts when the shoe is on the other foot, doesn't it?
Maybe this will give the clueless "patriots" and supporters of imperialism an idea of how fundamentally wrong it is to have our troops on Iraqi soil? It's an easy intellectual exercise : if the
mere presence of para-military members of another (admittedly unfriendly) nation on our soil is so obnoxious to us, how galling should it be to, say, an average Afghan or Iraqi whose lands are overrun with hostile foreign forces?

Of course, given the fact that nationalist blinders are very thick, I wouldn't bet on it.



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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:05 PM
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191. The Evil Empire China Strikes In San Francisco!
Do people think the Bush government should invade China in response?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:09 PM
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192. Oh well, our jackboots will be over there when Bush visits..
tit for tat I guess.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 02:38 PM
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196. Not surprising
I watched the Olympic torch as it came through Fairfield, CT, back in 1996. The Atlanta games. Georgia State Troopers were escorting the torch around the entire country.

In donated BMWs, for some reason.


As long as they aren't packing guns, I'm okay. But I think that armed escort should be done by the local or state police, not the host country.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:08 PM
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200. yikes!
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