Vaccine Question

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

I just did a wiki search on thimerosal and found the following statement.

In 1999, a new FDA analysis concluded that infants could receive as much as 187.5 mg of ethylmercury during the first six months; lacking any standard for ethylmercury it used methylmercury-based standards to recommend that thiomersal be removed from routine childhood vaccines in the U.S., which was done by 2001.

If this is true, then we should have seen a dramatic reduction in new cases of autism since 2001. Has there been a dramatic reduction in new cases? If not, what can we conclude?

David

[alarimer]

1. The conclusion for this and all the other evidence is that vaccines do not cause autism.

It is merely coincidence that the symptoms appear at roughly the same time, or shortly after, a major series of vaccinations. So therefore, vaccines must have caused it, right? Well, no. That is an example of post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning, a logical fallacy.

In fact the overwhelming evidence is that vaccines do not cause autism.

[Pisces]

2. thimerisol is still used in the flu vaccine. While the numbers have not declined

many believe that the vaccines are a trigger for a dormant gene. What I don't think people want to explore is the fact that we are giving these things to our children in utero. I personally believe that the toxins stored in our bodies in addition to toxins we are exposed to during pregnancy have a big impact on our childrens allergies, autism and other neurological problems. Toxins are stored in our fat cells, we pass everything to our embyos, if this were not the case then why are infants who have not been exposed to toxins testing positive for toxins in their blood? We are poisoning ourselves. The combination of so many chemicals is creating a toxic soup. Read " the Hundred Year Lie" women are passing toxins in their breastmilk. A very controversial subject, but true.

I don't think there is 1 answer, but it certainly lies with the environment.

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. No mercury in vaccines in Japan

And those kids get autism too.

What can we conclude from that?

[Pisces]

4. The better question would be what do they use for a preservative and what

are we now using. Could be that whatever the toxic preservative being used is the problem.

[KT2000]

5. The problem with identifying a single

cause is that individual ingredients cannot be faulted because it is not supported by the literature which only looks at single cause and single effect.

The literature offers no help when a child is swamped with multiple vaccines, some with thimerosal, a polluted environment. To understand that check this wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm\
Though not often mentioned - chemicals can induce cytokine production.

The Viet Nam, Gulf War and Iraq War vets have been held at bay with the faulty reasoning of single cause single effect. The government and powerful corporations do not want to study the effects of multiple causes that could cause a cytokine storm. This way they are not responsible and will not be held liable.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

6. May be stretching a bit.

Having said that, yours is the best explanation I've read on this board relating vaccines and autism. Of course, I've never seen it in the literature. More plausible though than a lot of the other arguments.

David

[LeftCoast]

7. That cannot be correct

No way would 187 mg be safe. Is that a typo? Maybe micro-grams?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

9. May not be that's why I asked.

It was cut and pasted so it wasn't a typo on my part.

David

[TheWraith]

8. I think looking for a single cause of autism is like looking for a single cause for cancer.

However, evidence does suggest that the people who attribute it entirely to vaccines are overreaching at best. There may well be some cases classified as autism that are the result of adverse vaccine reactions, but that's hardly the only reason.