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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:44 PM
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14 yr old prostituted by step-father, gang raped by his friends
The People vs. Erotic City
It took the gang rape of a 14-year-old before authorities shuttered the orgy room.
By Justin Kendall
Published: March 27, 2008

Erotic City was a one-stop shop for all things pornographic. Men frequently met in the sex shops video booths (above) for anonymous sex. Sometimes, 20 men took turns with Herds stepdaughter in the orgy room.

She was only 14 when her stepfather took her to Erotic City and allegedly prostituted her in the club's "orgy room." Sometimes, 20 men took turns having sex with the girl inside the anything-goes space, an oversized porn video booth where clientele, most of them gay men or swingers, met frequently for anonymous sex. The booth was big enough for 15 people. After the strangers finished with the girl, her stepfather took his turn. The girl would later estimate that over the course of two years, she had sex with her stepfather 80 to 90 times in hotel rooms, parks, houses and cars, and at Erotic City.

It's Tuesday afternoon, February 12, and it's bitterly cold outside the federal courthouse in Kansas City, Kansas. The girl, now 18, waits alone in the back of a sterile courtroom for the sentencing of her stepfather and alleged abuser, Jesse Franklin Herd III. Federal prosecutors accuse Herd of taking the girl across state lines with the intent of prostituting her and engaging in other sex acts. Herd could have faced a maximum life sentence, but he has admitted the allegations and signed a plea agreement guaranteeing him 18 years in federal prison.

The young woman's left leg jackhammers the floor as she fidgets with the nervous energy that comes with dread. Her curly hair is pulled back. She clutches a couple of sheets of notebook paper, on which she has written her first public statement to her stepfather. A woman at the prosecutor's table pulls tissues from a box and hands them to her.

more . . . http://www.pitch.com/2008-03-27/news/the-people-vs-erot...
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:55 PM
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1. I am speechless..
No words can describe how horrid this story is... I literally have no words.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:00 AM
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5. It's really just horrific
And this guy had more kids. I am wondering if he also prostituted some of his other kids but they didn't tell on him.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:17 AM
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108. Probably not...
He probably figured his own children deserved good treatment, as opposed to the one to whom he wasn't related.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:58 PM
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2. Sigh.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:59 PM
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3. Holy jesus fucking god.
There are no words for this.

Really.

:cry:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:59 PM
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4. WTF is wrong with Kansas, proud?
I'm sure they're in TX, too, but it's disconcerting how horrific the stories are.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:01 AM
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6. Do you know what the first thing is you see when you cross into TX from OK?
:)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:10 AM
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8. So they're all coming from Kansas?
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 12:10 AM by babylonsister
:think: Or are we talkin' bullshit all the way around? :hi:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:05 AM
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22. We get all our best smut ideas from Texas
and that great big porn store on the border. :)
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Codedonkey Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:36 PM
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100. The cottage cheese and cowboy hat thing was my idea....
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 08:36 PM by Codedonkey
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:48 AM
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18. So every other state is full of saints?
Funny. I was just watching a report about child prostitutes being kept in secret rooms in San Francisco Massage parlors.

Sex abuse and rape are national problems.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:53 AM
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35. It's counterproductive to blame Kansas
That makes it sound like a localized problem, rather than confronting the larger cultural one. I'm in Michigan and I could tell you similar stories from families I know, right here.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:13 AM
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51. Thank you! nt
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:49 AM
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53. No problem.
It irks me when people go into this weird denial mode about sexual assaults in this country, like they need to believe it's only those OTHER people that do it, only Muslims mistreat women, only certain southern states, only those third world people.

I don't know if it's some odd variation on western supremacy or what. I wish I had time to grab everyone by their collective shirt collars, and say look, this happens across all classes and races, and even those clean cut white dudes in suits with Harvard accents or guys in middle class jobs in suburbia sometimes rape their children. So sorry to burst anyone's bubble.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:02 AM
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55. And Erotic City is in MO anyway
:)
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:09 AM
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7. Wow
"Click here to read the second part of this series on Erotic City: Behind the glory holes, orgy rooms and sex booths is a board of directors that includes a felon, a preteen and others who think things arent that bad. "

Glory holes? Damn, I had no idea Kansas was so wild! Sheesh!
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:41 AM
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15. Wish I hadn't read part II.
The last line in particular is disturbing.

"Times are tough when the biggest moneymaker at Erotic City isn't dildos, nudie magazines or video booths. It's synthetic urine."

Synthetic urine? Huh, wha? Thank God for naivete. I didn't need to know about that.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:10 AM
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25. I don't want to to tell you how close my school is to that hell hole
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:55 AM
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36. synthetic urine for drug tests
is about passing drug tests to get jobs even though you smoke weed or use other drugs, but mostly weed because other drugs do not show up more than 2 days after you use them, whereas cannabis can be detected for 5 weeks.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:00 AM
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61. Ah, that makes more sense
than the scenarios going through my mind. In my defense, that's a pretty sick place.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:03 PM
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82. I venture to guess
that most folks buying the fake pee never even knew what was going on in the back.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:19 AM
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9. Castration with a dull, rusty butter knife wouldn't be enough for him...
but it would be a start...
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:44 AM
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16. I don't know about that...
I have this titanium spork...
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:23 AM
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10. My sentence...
"Herd has a smirk on his face as he looks over his left shoulder at his family. "

"Kindra Herd (the mother), who didn't return phone calls from The Pitch, told investigators that the girl didn't want to go with her stepfather in the final three months of the alleged abuse. But according to court records, Kindra Herd told her to "quit fussing" and go to work."

Sounds like the mother knew. How could you not know SOMETHING was wrong?

"He (Herd) says he has found Jesus and leads an hourlong prayer group in his cell every night."

Well, isn't that special?

"When the courtroom's heavy wooden doors open, a dozen bikers covered with tattoos, leather and denim fill up the benches behind the victim. They're from a local chapter of Bikers Against Child Abuse."

My sentence...Herd and the bikers in a closed room for an hour.
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:35 AM
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11. agree with the sentence.
with the addition of a year in the worst prison in the state in a special uniform.

the uniform would have his crimes listed on the front in nice big letters so all the hardest cons can see he prostituted his kid to child rapists.
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lovelylifenow Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:40 AM
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14. he prostituted his child....
the first time to three homeless-looking men on the street, for God's sake, and then did her himself. While videotaping it. A fourteen-year-old. Married to her mother. What a world.
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:42 AM
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30. which is why a scumbag like him should have to take whatever
torments that dirtbags that are only slightly better than him would dish out to him.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:07 AM
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23. I think the mother should be prosecuted as well
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:47 AM
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60. I agree. She had to know.
I'll never understand mothers who side with the rapist fathers. Never.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:47 AM
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59. That's a good start.
Nothing's too awful for someone like that.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:01 PM
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81. There Are Few Things As Potentially Tragic -
"Sounds like the mother knew. How could you not know SOMETHING was wrong?"

- as a grown woman with children, in "survival" mode.
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lovelylifenow Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:36 AM
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12. Reading the entire article, he seemed to be trying to slither out of it.
What an evil, manipulative man. He seems to have lots of people fooled, especially mom.

Mom filed for divorce and then withdrew. What an irony that a biker's group has come to the rescue (or maybe not).

Do federal sentences get reduced at all? Any chance this monster will be out?

Words fail me.

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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:38 AM
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13. I have a special place in my heart for biker dudes.
3 am - rural south carolina - a pack of biker dudes noticed my car at the bottom of a gully and saved mine and my husband's life. These were not the sort of people one would think would want contact with authorities. We've had sporatic contact since. I love each and every one of them.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:12 AM
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I used to love them until I got involved in the peace movement
We have had some especially nasty confrontations with bikers. But I do try to remember that most of them are good people, and not violent war mongers.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:52 AM
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65. I think it is the group mentality working. Individually they may be a lot different than they are
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 10:53 AM by Mountainman
with their own. I ride a bike but I don't call myself a biker. When I lived in Los Angeles, each Sunday a group of bikers called the Modified Motorcycle Association led a group of riders from Griffith park to Ojai and back along the coast. They didn't ride their Harleys on Sunday and they were very aware of the different levels of riding skills among the other riders. Some times we'd have over 100 bikes in the group.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:45 AM
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17. Dear God.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:52 AM
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19. I can't read shit like this
it makes me sad for our humanity.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:53 AM
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20. It feels like the 70's again
expensive gas and wild in the streets KC.

I think it is worse now in some ways, and I was on a first name basis with Bob Berdella.
I worked a night shift at the one stop party shop, 34th and troost for a while.

At least nothing has blown up in the city market (aka the river quay) lately.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:10 AM
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24. Dude . . . Bob Berdella??
I have met more people who knew him. I feel out of it that I never met him.

He was like our own version of Charles Manson.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:42 AM
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31. Two of my friends worked with him in the flea market.
Westport was pretty interesting too.

I had a girlfriend named Jill who was murdered on her way home to Warwick from work on the plaza. She went to the art institute.

I was studying guitar with Doug Neidt.

I rode a bicycle around town back then too. In particular, I remember riding home the night of the Plaza Flood from Union Station, where I was performing with a comedy troupe called Plumb Nutz! (that included David Naster) at the old Ralph Gaines Restaurant to 41st and Roanoke where I lived.

I did that at the same time I worked at as a night clerk at the one stop party shop at 34th and Troost. After the third armed robbery, I decided I wanted a job where fewer people pointed guns at me. I was, however, okay with letting them hit me with sticks. I ran medieval fighter practice in Roanoke Park right below the old Benton house.

I worked in the west bottoms as a silk screen printer.

From there I worked 5 plus years in the ER at KUMC.

Man, it was a wild decade for me.


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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:16 AM
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43. Was your girlfriend's murder ever solved?
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:47 AM
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64. No.
But she was also one of my stick fighting friends/students too, so I think it might have been someone she knew.

Because though she was small, she was fierce.

Jill Gardner was her name.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:49 AM
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32. Berdella did his own killing, unlike Manson
Berdella was more like KC's John Wayne Gacy.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:14 AM
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42. Yes you're right
It is amazing how many people knew him and how many people knew people he killed. I feel out of it that I didn't know him.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:58 AM
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21. in too many cases
the mother doesn't care.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:17 AM
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28. A lot of them probably think..
"better her than me". I know that's often the case when women stay with men who use prostitutes.

It's sick and demented, but sex addicts are never satisfied and a woman whose self-worth is wrapped up in her marriage will do a lot of crazy things, maybe even convince herself that her daughter likes the attention.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:12 AM
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26. Some "people" should just never have kids...
...and this knuckle-dragging cretin is one of them.

Now, THIS deserves castration, IMO.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:13 AM
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27. The girl wasn't his kid.
She was his step-daughter.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:22 AM
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29. OK - but he still deserves to be castrated (n/t)
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:43 AM
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44. And that matters because . . . ??
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:22 AM
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109. It matters because...
...he probably rationalized the whole thing on the basis of "she's not my kid."

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 04:22 AM
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33. I believe that is the most painful thing I've ever read. The mother....
the mother. What is wrong with that woman?

How could a woman, knowing her husband abused her child, stay with the abuser?

I'm just sick.

:(
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:31 AM
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38. How in the world
do they get to keep the other children? I would think CPS would have removed the remaining daughters. The mother was clearly complicit.

She should also have sex offender status.

That poor girl. She will never get over this. How will she ever have a decent relationship? If she doesn't commit suicide it will be a bloody miracle. As it is, she is a high risk of being victimized and exploited again.

That sociopathic animal had made himself some heinous karma.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:34 AM
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34. This man has to be a sociopath
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 05:43 AM by BerryBush
and his wife a moral cipher who sold her soul to protect her relationship with him. For what reason, God only knows.

How does anyone survive having to endure this?

Edit: OK, I went to the Web site to read the full story...and found an ad there for a club called "Menages KC." If you visit their site, you soon find that Menages KC is just what it sounds like...a nightclub for couples who want to swap. It's all about casual sex...it's just the sex is on a "classier" level, between presumably consenting adults. But I bet that's exactly what Erotic City would tell you THEY are about, too.

One of the toughest issues I have with alternative newspapers is the hypocrisy...they run stories like this about people abused in the sex business, and then they accept advertising from every kind of sex-oriented establishment out there, from the "classy" to the sleazy. Who knows? At one time they might have accepted ads from Erotic City.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:11 AM
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37. Put him in a box with bars. Alone.
Away from the world, so he can do it no more harm.

sonofabitch, sometimes despising capital punishment is really put to the test.

:grr: :grr: :grr:

That child, you inhuman thing, what you did to that child. :cry:
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:06 PM
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84. I am against capital punishment
but I would kill any fucker that did that to my daughter. Good thing is, I would not risk the death penalty where I live.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:40 AM
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39. at least 20 other men willing to rape a 14 year old. she may not be a 12 yr old stripper
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 07:04 AM by seabeyond
a whole of 2 yrs older, but this article is saying there are at least 20 more men that are willing to rape a 14 year old kid.

not just step father.

they will filter back into their respectful life. none the wiser. and be outraged when they hear about the next child rape. there is a market for our children. not a small selective market. but too too many men are raping our kids.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:44 AM
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45. It happens a lot more often than most of us realize
I know of way too many cases just like this. Kids I have known.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:59 AM
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46. or more than we will admit. i think we all about know. and we like to "pretend"
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 08:02 AM by seabeyond
it is all about consensual sex between adults. makes it a lot easier to play and ignore and defend

"pretty woman" prostitution. wrap it up in a pretty little bow to make it presentable
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:00 AM
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47. But isn't prostitution a victimless crime? I'm sure that every one of the men
that had sex with that girl over the years would be shocked to discover that she wasn't a willing participant!




:sarcasm:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:04 AM
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49. and really what is that girl bitchin about. told by more than one, no worse than workin mcdonalds
and flippin burger.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:09 PM
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86. not all women are forced into prostitution
Prostitution is LEGAL in some places, Nevada, The Netherlands, Spain, Germany....It is rare but some women do CHOOSE to become prostitutes. In countries where prostitution is legal the authorities can focus on people trying to force women into the sex trade. Here in France we have a large problem with women from the east of the EU being kidnapped and forced into prostitution, but the trade is unregulated so it is a lot harder to stop such things from happening than it is in neighboring Germany.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:53 PM
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90. Actually, in the Netherlands,
where prostitution is legal, human trafficking is a much bigger problem than in neighboring Sweden where it is illegal. It's next to impossible to prosecute these cases. Where prostitution thrives, sex slavery follows.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:54 PM
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91. and the feeding frenzy thrives n/t
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #90
92. It is a lot easier
to verify the origins of someones desire to work as a prostitute when the trade is legal, there are no pimps, and you have no fear of being busted if you call the cops to help you. In Sweden how would you even know how many prostitutes there are if it is all illegal? Here in France we have no control over the industry and no protection for the prostitutes because they are considered criminals. Prostitution thrives in every place I have ever lived or visited. Hungary, the UK, the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, etc. The difference is just that it is legal and in the open in some places and hidden and illegal in others.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #92
103. There are plenty of pimps..
and madams in the Netherlands. Customers and employers seek the cheapest labor, which happens to be impoverished women from the Netherlands, Africa and Eastern Europe (particularly from the Balkans and the former Soviet Union) who are often tricked into accepting work in Amsterdam under false pretenses.

Sweden has had much success with its laws, which prosecute pimps and men who pay for sex, but does not target prostitutes. Law enforcement has learned from eavesdropping that human trafficking rings consider Sweden unsafe territory for their operations. Independent studies estimate that prostitution has declined by over 40% since the new laws went into effect in the late 90s.

Sweden appears to be one of the more enlightened societies, having concluded more than a decade ago that prostitution is the undesirable legacy of patriarchal societies where women were relegated to second-class citizenship, with few rights and fewer opportunities.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:23 AM
Response to Reply #103
110. yeah, real enlightened
prostitutes continue to work in the black market, unprotected. They are not free to unionize like they are in Spain, Germany, and the Netherlands. Real enlightened. So you still have prostitution in Sweden, it is not gone, but it is enlightened because?????

Just like Sweden's enlightened drug policy. You can find yourself in court for failing a urine test showing that you smoked cannabis 5 weeks earlier. They sometimes test people arriving on flights from the Netherlands just to pop people who left Sweden to smoke joints. Like South Dakota in the USA Sweden's interal possession law means that I will never go to Sweden. Why risk jail in Sweden for the cannabis I smoked a week earlier in another country. Idem for South Dakota.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:13 AM
Response to Reply #110
116. Why wouldn't they be free to unionize?
Selling sex is not illegal in Sweden, only buying sex is.

Sweden does not have the crack whore problem that Germany has, or the human trafficking problem that Germany and the Netherlands have. It's a healthier situation.

I fail to see how drug policy is relevant to this discussion.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #86
101. Spain....

These "clubs" are at every highway fuel stop in Spain...

http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/spain.htm

Women, aged 18-24, from Venezuela are being trafficked under false pretenses for prostitution in highway massage parlors and similar fronts for brothels in Spain. The trafficker places promising advertisements in the newspaper, then arranges for the woman to be met at the airport; where her passport and identity papers are taken away. (Venezuela's Consulate in Madrid, "Venezuelan Sex-Slaves Sold in Trade-Offs to Spanish Wayside Brothels," Patrick J. O'Donoghue, Vheadline-Venezuela's Internet News, 18 November 1997)

Venzuelan women are in demand by traffickers from Spain because they look similar to Spaniards from the Canary Islands, who don't need visas, and are less likely to be detected by Spanish police. ("Venezuelan Sex-Slaves Sold in Trade-Offs to Spanish Wayside Brothels," Patrick J. O'Donoghue, Vheadline-Venezuela's Internet News, 18 November 1997)

Trafficked Venezuelan women have to service a man every 20 minutes for US$ 33-50/hour; money they never see. ("Venezuelan Sex-Slaves Sold in Trade-Offs to Spanish Wayside Brothels," Patrick J. O'Donoghue, Vheadline-Venezuela's Internet News, 18 November 1997)
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. damn i see why women enjoy it so...service man every 20 minutes for US$ 33-50/hour
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 09:45 PM by seabeyond
those working so hard to convince us how women are so joyful working this job, it is an illusion for men to think a woman really wants to suck a different mans dick every 20 fuckin minutes....

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #102
104. Slavery is slavery...

...the type of work is not relevant to whether someone is or is not in a position of involuntary servitude.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #104
105. you are so full of shit. n/t
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #105
106. Human Trafficking is a global issue that is not limited to any particular set of countries

...or condition of servitude.

There is trafficking in Sweden, and in Spain, and in the US, and not just for prostitution purposes.

http://lists.portside.org/cgi-bin/listserv/wa?A2=ind041...


Updates November 23, 2004

Last week in Texas and New York state, Federal agency
raided several Chinese restaurants, detained and
arrested over 100 restaurant workers and owners,
charging them "conspiracy to harbor illegal aliens,"
"illegally employing unauthorized aliens," and
"conspiracy to commit money laundering." U.S. Attorney
said they will deport the undocumented workers back to
China along with the restaurant owners for hiring them.

It created a huge community outrage across the Chinese
American community, and the Chinese consulate in
Texas had voiced protests about Fed's roundup of
restaurant workers. Almost on the same time, in the
separate case, a Chinese restaurant owner in North
Dakota had sentenced for trafficking and hiring
undocumented workers and will go to four months prison
and will face deportation.



http://traffickingproject.blogspot.com/2008/03/update-i...

Our own government turned its back on us after we were treated like slaves, said Sabulal Vijayan, one of over 500 Indian workers who were bound as forced labour to Gulf Coast marine construction company Signal International, as the group began their journey with a rally at the Department of Labor building in New Orleans. The workers allegedly paid $20,000 to Indian and US recruiters for false promises of work-based permanent residency in the US, and instead they received ten-month H2B guest worker visas and worked at Signal in deplorable conditions.

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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:26 AM
Response to Reply #106
111. This is slavery
the prostitutes union in Spain is FIRMLY AGAINST THIS PRACTICE. But the women who are smuggled in are scared to be sent back to their home countries or to be killed by their kidnappers if they say anything. By keeping prostitution legal in Spain at least the prostitutes can have their union and not have to fear the police.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #111
113. My point is....

...that whether prostitution is legal or not legal seems tangential to the subject of trafficking and indentured servitude. It occurs in countries with legal prostitution and it occurs in countries without legal prostitution. It also involves a lot more than prostitution.

The US recently introduced a T visa status, for victims of trafficking, so that there is at least some safeguard against deportation for victims who do make it to the authorities.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:19 AM
Response to Reply #104
117. except that sex slavery in Spain..
involves being raped 3 times an hour.

I take it you're one of those who thinks taking it up the ass 20 times a day is no more degrading or unhealthy than working as a burger flipper?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #117
118. Oh, yes, why... that's exactly what I believe...

Thank you for clarifying my long held belief in that stupid proposition.

Yes, that is precisely what I believe and recommend everyone should do.

Idiot.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #118
119. you may assume all would feel idiotic, unfortunately we have been listening to a handful
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 09:02 PM by seabeyond
suggest exactly that. hence, hard to know anymore.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #119
120. The type of people whom you choose to listen to is up to you...
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 11:12 PM by jberryhill
But I am apparently "full of shit" and think chronic forced assault is wonderful for believing, about an issue that matters to me:

1 - Human trafficking occurs in countries with legal prostitution and in countries where it is illegal, and

2 - Human trafficking and slavery are not limited to prostitution.

I am not going to sit around and make some sort of value comparison between being whipped and starved while harvesting agricultural products and being subject to repeated sexual assault.

But, yeah, spend enough time listening to psychopaths who have torture preferences and let me know how that works out for you.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #120
121. your "slavery is slavery" post sounded as if you were stating
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 11:18 PM by seabeyond
the "type" of servitude doesnt matter, meaning well.... how people used whether servitude to mcdonald or prostituting.... a lot of people whine a job at mcdonald with the wage is like slavery. i think it is a pathetic argument, especially against yours that you provide in the next post. you are talking literally slavery.

your post wasnt clear. after you tried to clarify i left it along. but your post came off sounding that way.

take it for what it is.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #39
96. I was thinking the same thing.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #96
97. way more than 20. not a lot of others are thinking too hard about it. are they?
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 07:33 PM by seabeyond
since reading the article i see it is way beyond 20 men fucking this girl without thought of age.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #97
115. sadly, you're right. Why isn't someone investigating this further?
These men should be charged with, at the very least, statutory rape.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:43 AM
Response to Original message
40. I'm at a loss for words.
I honestly can't fathom the sickness that would cause a person to do something like this.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:47 AM
Response to Reply #40
41. this isnt just one person doing htis sickness. there were many male that raped this girl.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #41
48. I may be misreading the article but
didn't the article say the other men were told she was over 18 and willing and the bar owner said she never asked for help while there?

No, please, don't misunderstand. -- All I'm saying is that the others may not have known she was underage and being forced -- because out of desperate fear of that monster step dad she kept quiet. Though I suspect the men who partook probably don't really care either way.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #48
54. When men buy women's bodies
they kind of make it their business not to be bothered about that whole "free will" thing, or the humanity of the other person.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #48
62. you really believe the bartender would be the one telling the truth?
We need a superlative for "naive" :(
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #62
63. and looked 25, like 12 yr old stripper look 20. not mens fault.... not their job to know
how old the female is that they are fuckin....

after all

just men being men

we gotta believe......
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #63
66. Selective perceptions = rationalization/justification
Not to mention that the idea of them "not realizing her age" doesn't nullify how as sentient human beings, most of these men would have to realize at some point that this is a very young lady who, given the circumstances, really couldn't have been enjoying herself.

Even if the she was so mentally fucked up to actually attempt feigning "pleasure" over a roomful of older, strange men using her body, there are many aspects to such a scenario that she simply wouldn't be able to fake her way through - certain innate signs of distress/discomfort/revulsion would be present for any who cared to act on ... which apparently didn't happen. Ugh.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #62
68. I think it's more likely none of them cared enough to ask
It's POSSIBLE they all knew she was a child - I'm just saying I'm not finding evidence of such in the article posted.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:13 AM
Response to Original message
50. Castration.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:35 AM
Response to Original message
52. well I'll say it.... some crimes are malicious enough to warrant the death penalty even without...


...homocide.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:04 AM
Response to Original message
56. 21 years and 10 months
That's it? Outrageous. Too bad they didn't find some pot on him. Probably would've gotten life then.
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lost-in-nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #56
88. He's not going to see that 21 years.....
He'll be dead before you know it....

My dad used to minister at the Rahway prison
one of the toughest ones around

He said murderers and thieves, some of the most hardened criminals, would cry at child abuse stories.

They don't like that......

nope not going to see that 21 years.....

:hi:

lost
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #88
89. Oh, I know.
I don't really WANT to see him brutally killed in prison. I'm outraged that these crimes are *only* worth 21 years.
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lost-in-nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #89
95. your right
I understand what your saying...
write a bad check to the IRS and your gone for life....

I don't want him murdered either

but if he came out after 21 years and 10 months

ummmm slightly altered/??

that would be ok to


lost
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:06 AM
Response to Original message
57. Placing Bets that Herd is a Conservative...
Any takers?
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #57
67. sucker bet
goes home to his "McCain for President" signs and complains about how "them libruls are to blame for the moral decay of this country" and spouts "Gawd bless Murika"
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #67
71. And he's opposed to gay marriage
because the Bible says it's an abomination. At which time, Jeff in Milwaukee's head explodes from the irony overload...
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #57
77. Nope, I agree.
A "famlee valyouz" kind of guy I imagine?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:36 AM
Response to Original message
58. Hard to know the adequate charges or punishment. In any case he needs the maximum
penalty possible.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:54 AM
Response to Original message
69. The "mother" told this child to "quit fussing and go to work"...at a place named "Erotic city"
Why isn't she in prison, as well?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:06 PM
Response to Original message
70. There's no way here that the mom isn't herself a sexual abuse victim
It's the cycle of abuse/violence.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #70
87. All the more reason to make sure her daughter is not.
IMO.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:51 PM
Response to Original message
72. 6-foot-3, 390-pounds of fucking human watse


:puke:
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
73. That guy is disgusting and her "mother" is sickening.
At his sentencing, he lays a guilt trip on the victim and says that his family is stronger than ever. The victim's so-called mother supports this pig, who apparently can't take responsibility for being a rapist and a dumbass.

The mother probably knew full well what was happening, but, even if she didn't, she knows now and still chooses to support a rapist over her own daughter. Plus, she's apparently fine allowing her other daughters to be around him.

I'm glad that the bikers were there to send a message that there are men who don't stand for this shit. I only hope that the rest of the rapists are prosecuted.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:41 PM
Response to Original message
74. I'd really like to know
where her mother was all this time. A generation ago I could understand women who didn't do anything about sexual abuse from their husband or to their children, but things have changed so much it's difficult to imagine a mother allowing this to happen. Surely, she must have had suspicions, and if she didn't, I would think teachers might have an inkling.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:00 PM
Response to Original message
75. She didn't "have sex" with him.
:eyes:

Sickening.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #75
114. Thank you
"having sex" is consensual.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:27 PM
Response to Original message
76. Where was her Mother?
Oh here she was:

The girl's mother, Kindra Herd, would later tell investigators that Herd said he had invested in The Shady Lady and Erotic City. Kindra Herd, who didn't return phone calls from The Pitch, told investigators that the girl didn't want to go with her stepfather in the final three months of the alleged abuse. But according to court records, Kindra Herd told her to "quit fussing" and go to work.

I wish that those who belittle the continued objectification of women/girls in our society would take time to learn something from this.

Pardon my blunt response, but I hope that fat !@$ bastard rots in jail!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 04:52 PM
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78. Check this out. This is a report on the internet about the trucking "company" they owned.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:44 AM
Response to Reply #78
112. Scum
No other word comes to mind.
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lightningandsnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 04:54 PM
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79. That is awful.
Poor girl.

As for the guy who did that... I don't get violent impulses often, but I'd really like to strangle him.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 04:58 PM
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80. Listen to this Mother F-er -
What a typical abusive piece of shit:

"Things happen for a reason no one has any control over." NO CONTROL OVER?

Herd also hints cryptically at his innocence. Herd refers to a truth other than the one in the plea agreement, "people who know the truth" and the one-sided nature of the story.

"There's another side?" Vratil finally asks.

"No," Herd says, "not that I want to go into." Then Herd becomes a martyr. He says he "took the plea so wouldn't suffer" and accepts the plea "on the blood of Jesus."


Note how HE is now the victim?

Everybody should have a chance to be rehabilitated, a chance to get back with family. You can't throw life away sometimes."

An unmoved Vratil rejects the plea agreement. Herd switches his tone. He proclaims himself ready for trial "as long as all the evidence gets to come out."

"You're telling me you aren't guilty?" Vratil asks again.

"I can't say any more," Herd says.

Vratil suggests that Dent talk to his client because he "apparently claims he is innocent."


So HE is a "victim" who accepted a plea to spare his step-daughter pain? What a wonderful man he REALLY is. :eyes:

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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:05 PM
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83. That is absolutely heartbreaking.
:cry:
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 05:08 PM
Response to Original message
85. Evil walks among us, sometimes in the form of your softball coach.
If I didn't have such a strong stomach, and hadn't read so many stories like this one, I'd probably be :puke: all over the place right now.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #85
93. Brings to mind the Nuremberg trials' "banality of evil."
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:24 PM
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94. That is horrific. Poor kid! *aiming good vibes and healing to her*
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:00 PM
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98. There are all too many stories like this
When I worked with street kids in Portland, I met many who were running away from sexually abusive homes. Men with a taste for early teen or preteen girls would purposely seek out women with daughters in the appropriate age group, particularly ones who were economically or emotionally desperate.

Some of the girls had been kicked out of the house for complaining to their mothers about sexual abuse, because the abuser was mom's meal ticket.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:08 PM
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99. A 21-year sentence is NOTHING for what he did...
If he lived a thousand lifetimes, he'd deserve to be in hard-labor prison for all of them. Piece of fucking horseshit.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:14 AM
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107. Personally, I'd concentrate less on vengenace fantasies against the guy...
...and more on what could be done to help that poor girl, who is going to be scarred by this for life unless she gets some good therapy, and will likely have a hard time even if she does.

No one deserves a youth like that...

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