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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:42 PM
Original message
Why are GLBT newspapers publicly airing details of depositions of the DNC staff?
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 07:49 PM by madfloridian
I have been stunned at this. Playing it out in the public does not seem right. There was a letter from Dean saying he has told his staff not to speak publicly about it. That to me seems the most decent way to handle it.

I am stunned there is so much hatred toward the DNC and Dean from that community. It must be real hatred to post videos of depositions and make fun of staffers there.

It is surprising to see it online while the DNC is remaining quiet until if and when there is a court date. It seems like a suit that started out one way, and keeps spreading out until almost everyone at the DNC is being ridiculed.

It needs to be mentioned, as this is costing someone a very pretty penny. I have never seen so many lawsuits filed against a group like the DNC in my life. It is shocking. Dean and the DNC staff and lawyers must spend all their time in court or being deposed.

There is such anger and hatred in this one. No one is perfect, God only knows that, but this seems to make the DNC chairman and staff the enemy of all enemies.

It angers me they are ridiculing so many good people there. It is wrong to take deposition videos public.

http://www.queerty.com/category/democratic-national-com... /

Lawsuits coming out of the woodwork. Anger and hatred toward good people. Mostly undeserved. Sad.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:45 PM
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1. What GLBT "community" would that be?
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 07:51 PM by Bluebear
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:47 PM
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2. How should I phrase it then? Phrase it for me and I will correct it.
I asked a question, and it needs to be answered. Good people are being constantly attacked at at least two of the newspapers.

Constantly, bitterly. Why take it public right now?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:50 PM
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3. Newspaper would be more accurate.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 07:50 PM by Bluebear
There really is no one gay 'community' ..I am gay and am one of the proud, original DFA's. :)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:51 PM
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5. Well, I changed it.
The attacks there are not as bad as some at another paper. They never seem to attack the GOP, just Democrats.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:50 PM
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4. I updated the subject line. You need to read the pages there.
No, of course not. But someone needs to ask the question, I don't especially get much liked here anyway....so I asked it. I reworded it.

They are going after Obama and Dean and Leah Daughtry.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:52 PM
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6. I like you fine :)
No fan of Obama's although I will vote for him if he is the nominee.
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #4
86. And why should the gay press not
"go after" a homophobe and a candidate who employs homophobes in his campaign?
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:04 PM
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145. Someone needs to ask the question: Did Dean lie in his deposition?
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 08:07 PM by Iceburg
Or has the Gonzales memory-loss syndrome gone viral?

http://www.queerty.com/dean-recalls-little-in-depositio...
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:10 PM
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7. Common sense and logic compel those of us that are not members of that community
to deduce that it is the members of that community that are politically allied with the DLC.

That's my take on it. Senator Clinton is DLC, she is extremely pragmatic.

"Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:15 PM
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8. another non-member checking in
- perhaps they see the dnc as just another rat worm organization holding them down? :shrug:
Sen.Clinton doesnt support gay marriage, yet is seen as "pragmatic".
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:28 PM
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13. Yes, Clinton is respected from what I see.
.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #13
161. I support Obama.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
39. Which GLBT news sources are you suggesting are allied with the DLC?
Please be specific.

Thanks.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #55
57. No, it's not. You ought to back up your slander. NT
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #7
80. What does being brain dead feel like?
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #7
159. I know that this will astound you but there is no "gay community"
Gay people (I am one) don't belong to a "community" that thinks and acts alike. We're not an ant colony.

We're not remote-controlled by some Gay Leader that tells us what to do and think.

Gay people are all around you and they think and do all the different things that straight people think and do. We belong to many many different communities - we're Black and Latina/o and Asian and American Indian and all kinds of religions. We're Democrats and Republicans and Greens and Socialists and Libertarians. We live out in the woods and chop wood to heat our cabins with woodstoves, and we live in apartments over Central Park West, and commute to work just like all the other poor slobs in this country.

I've never read or even heard of the publication linked in the OP and I've never read and know very little about the Washington Blade except that it's an inside-the-beltway publication. Personally, when I'm not on DU I tend to read gardening magazines and novels. (Not all gay people read those things - some of them don't care at all about gardening! Honest!)

I've always had great admiration for Howard Dean, I loathe the DLC, and I have no idea of the merits of this case but if the DNC has discriminated against somebody that was terrible and they ought to be ashamed.

So please, knock it off with the "gay community" crap. Thank you.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #159
231. Excellent response.
I could not have said that better myself. Thanks!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:25 PM
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9. wake up, you. talking about depositions is not hatred. calling gays "faggot" from a church pulpit
is hatred. leaving a boy to die hanging on a barbed wire fence is hatred. gassing people in concentration camps is hatred.

what you are complaining about is not hatred.

Msongs
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. They should not be posting depositions on line.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 09:02 PM by madfloridian
They should not be doing that. They have publicly attacked Leah Daughtry who is chair of the convention committee. The comments say they are going to tape her in her church and post it online.

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #10
29. GLBT papers aren't partisan. They're publishing information of interest to their readers.
And I don't know why a deposition that is publicly available shouldn't be posted online.
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fightthegoodfightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #29
238. Laughing Very Hard
You would think GLBT papers would be partisan given the fact that we DO have an agenda: furthering the rights of the GLBT community.

How can any GLBT paper be 'neutral' in that political agenda and still survive?

What I find amusing is the conservative bent of Windows Media, that owns the Washington Blade, Southern Voice, and a host of other GLBT media whose editorial content holds the DNC to a higher standard than the GOP.

Such is the 'neutrality' of the conservative GLBT press.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #9
160. I mentioned to the OP that she seems to get hysterical easily.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #160
164. You made me an enemy when I was not one.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:25 PM
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167. Case in point. Where did I say "enemy" or anything like it?
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 09:25 PM by yardwork
I asked you to stop perpetuating the right-wing lie that there is some kind of monolithic "gay community" that thinks and acts exactly the same way.

Hell, I'd think that the mere fact that I'm one of the only queer Obama supporters here on DU would be a clue to our diversity.

I don't think of you as any enemy. I didn't call you an enemy. I asked you to get a clue.

edit for spelling - fonix werkd for mi
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:21 PM
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11. Thank you, straight person, for telling gay people when their anger
is undeserved. I guess the plaintiff in this case should just drop the suit now!

What would we gay people do without straight people around to tell us when we shouldn't be upset at the "good people" at the DNC who say the following about GLBT newspapers, "...I tend to use The Blade and other gay papers in the bottom of the birdcage."?

http://www.queerty.com/dnc-plays-politics-with-gay-pres... /

I guess we can't hold the DNC and its paid staffers accountable for their anti-gay-equality positions, since straight people said any anger on that subject is undeserved. :sarcasm:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. You think they should publicly air private letters and depositions?
That is my point. They are ripping apart almost everyone at the DNC. In public.
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. How is that any different from any other newspaper publicly reporting on
private letters and depositions? Is the GLBT press (whatever that is) held to a different standard?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. I guess not. They can hate anyone they wish, and they can attack them publicly
Of course they can. I just wondered why.
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. I think if you read all of the articles posted on the blog you linked to
you might have a greater understanding about why this particular paper is covering the DNC discrimination trial with such ferocity. I don't believe that the people at the Washington Blade hate the people at the DNC. Why is hearty criticism over legitimate problems the DNC has on GLBT issues "hate" anyway? Becuase it's Howard Dean and Senator Obama?

Howard Dean and the people at the DNC are not gods, they do make mistakes, and I am glad the Washington Blade isn't letting them get away with spin or cover-up or whatever political tactic they're attempting with regard to this trial. If necessary, the DNC needs to be held accountable for its actions (or inaction).
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. I have been keeping up with a lot of it.
Just because I know some of the backstory. Not much, just some. Enough to know that Dean and Leah are not the enemies of the gay community. They never have been.

That is what is sad. They are not enemies. They never were. :shrug:
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. You're right, the DNC is not the enemy of the GLBT community
but they're not exactly our 100% "We would do ANYTHING for you" friends either. If the DNC is truly committed to fully supporting GLBT rights in this country, they wouldn't stand by Leah Daughtry's "Marriage is between one man and one woman" crap. They wouldn't let their spokespeople talk about using gay newspapers in the bottom of the birdcage, and there wouldn't be a case against them in this whole alleged discriminatory-firing situation.

Donald Hitchcock's accusations are very serious, and I hope that we find out the truth.

And speaking of Leah Daughtry, I'm seriously worried that she isn't much of a friend to the GLBT community after reading this one:

http://www.queerty.com/leah-daughtry-defines-marriage-a... /

I'm not saying she's a bad person, or evil, or a Republican, or anything else like that. I am saying that from these statements I don't think she's completely committed to GLBT equality.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:31 PM
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16. for whatever reason there apparently isn't a gag order
I think there should be. But given the apparent absense of a gag order and the fact these are newspapers, it shouldn't be totally shocking that they are actually diseminating news. I have no idea the merits of this case so really can't comment on them.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:47 PM
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18. It seems like a case of Tough shit to me
Is the GLBT community angry about something? yes they are Who in fuck are you to say that the community shouldn't know exactly what is being said by both Parties? Gays have given plenty of money and support to Dem Party in general and to dem Politicians too. And what do they get? the back of the bus. I sugget you take your complaint to the Party and tell them to be sure and settle ASAP. Cause if Obama gets in before it is settled there will be even more issues to deal with .
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Ok, I get it now. Dean and Obama and Leah are the enemies.
And I find that sad.

The papers are free to post private conversations, emails, and videos of depositions. If that is what they think is productive, then I guess they will have to do it.

Every Florida lawsuit filed against the DNC was my business. Why? Because hubby and I are donors. This lawsuit, this hatred, this continued antagonism is our business as well.

I do appreciate that Dean told the DNC to remain silent. That is much better.

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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. better for the Democratic party
Not necessarily translatable to Good for gays
FYI I have been a dues paying member for many years
and a Union Steward and officer. I never said they were enemies, but they haven't been acting as allies either. I fear gays will become Obama's "Sista Solja" moment watch and see
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Then I guess you will have to do what you have to do.
:shrug:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #21
138. I think we have already been Obama's Sister Souljah.
That's what L'Affaire McClurkin was all about.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #20
25. Leah Daughtry is certainly an enemy of GLBT people. She wants our cash, and our votes, but
is against our equal rights.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. Well, I hear they will film her in her church and post it online.
So I guess that is what we will have to see.

I have heard she is not that way at all.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:06 PM
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23. Problem with a free press? Tough. If the DNC is fucking with gays they can expect this shit.
I still have very positive feelings toward Howard Dean but Leah Daughtry can kiss my gay ass.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. Are they doing that?
I don't think that is the whole story. And they are staying out of the fray so far instead of attacking on line.

I can't believe the Democratic party is considered the enemy. I don't like some of the stances they take, more of a middle line...but I don't consider them the enemy.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. You mean you prefer a "fair and balanced" approach?
Sometimes reality has a bias.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. You will have to do what you have to do.
If you think the DNC folks are your enemies, then I guess you act accordingly.

:shrug:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. Leah Daughtry isn't the DNC. But if there's a cancer in the DNC it does no good to leave
it unexamined.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Do they also examine the GOP for that cancer?
?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Look and see. If you think GLBT news sources don't regularly criticize the GOP you're not
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 10:37 PM by mondo joe
paying attention.

Which gay newspaper are you reading? I'll be happy to point out the GOP pieces for you.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. dude you are way out of line. the republicans are bashed by gay papers all the time
and most of us vote DEM.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. I am not a dude.
And I think you can vote and condemn however you wish. I just wondered why?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #42
72. because the democratic party isnt perfect? and because our rights are frequently
ignored.

here is my question: hillary is a democrat, dont you criticize here?

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. Are you now implying that the gay press is pro-Republican?-
please, stop.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. It's amazing. Earlier in the thread GLBT news was accused of being DLC, now GOP.
Funny how someone could bother to notice the gay press on the RARE occasion a Dem is criticized, but ignore it the rest of the time.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #38
44. No, I wondered why they were anti-Democrat?
I wondered why they were attacking some very fine people at the DNC, good people, caring people. Attacking them publicly, using humiliating tactics.

It accomplishes nothing to do it that way.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. Which newspaper exactly are you talking about that you accuse of attacking Democrats?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #44
73. these very fine people should maybe not support bigottry
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #73
202. we have a winner!!!!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:35 AM
Response to Reply #34
70. No need to examine the GOP for that cancer
We all know it's there. If it's in the DNC, you better know we, as a gay community, will scream like crazy about it. Sometimes a little exposure goes a long way in rooting out that sort of thing. I think the gay press is justified in calling attention to this sort of thing.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #31
62. So are you trying to get the convention chair fired?
Because she does not believe in gay marriage? But keeps it separate from her DNC work? That would not be a good thing.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #62
65. I'm not trying to do anything. The story is the story - people ought to know about it.
That's the point of the press.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #62
71. "Keeps It Seperate From Her DNC Work"?
Please explain exactly how she does that. She is on record as saying that she does not believe in gay marriage, because her bible tells her not to. That means she will never vote for gay equailty, and she will never do it BECAUSE OF HER BIBLE. If she - or YOU - can provide one good NON-religious argument against gay equality, please do so. Otherwise, STFU about Leah Daughtry being a "friend to gay people". She can call herself a Democrat all she wants, but on this issue, she is toeing the Republican line.

BTW, in case you need it spelled out for you, it's supposed to be illegal in this country to make laws based on religious bias.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #71
99. Imagine if someone in Daughtry's position was a white supremacist but said it "wouldn't
interfere with her work".

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #62
203. you're treading on really thin ice here -- you can't REALLY intend to set up this straw man!!
of either you're for gay marriage or you're trying to get the convention chair fired.


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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #23
139. But they're blaspheming St. Howard!!!
That's what it always comes down to: St. Howard.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:33 PM
Response to Original message
32. i dont know-- lets see-- maybe because the GLBT community cares about discrimination
against homosexuals?


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. Is that what is happening? Has it been proven?
?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:35 PM
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35. so according to you unless something is proven in court the media shouldnt be allowed to weigh in?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:00 PM
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41. Oh, no, they have every right to print whatever they wish.
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:33 AM
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69. I thought that was what you were complaining about.
:shrug:

Can you please clarify your position?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:25 AM
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74. so what are you whining about?
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:03 PM
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43. I know it's kind of a shock to see a newspaper
Reporting the news. :shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:11 PM
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46. What I refer to is private emails, private conversations, and depositions.
All being played out without a court date being set....or even without knowing if there will be a court date at all.

They are doing some character assassinations on Dean, on Leah, on Obama and on others at the organization.
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:18 PM
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47. Emails, depositions, and letters are okay when it's republicans who are "attacked"
but when a GLBT newspaper reports the controversial comments of DNC staffers at unsealed depositions, it's character assassination? Apparently, there is a different standard when it comes to GLBT newspapers.

If the Democratic Party and the DNC is supposed to be our best chance for advancing GLBT rights, then they should act like it. And if they don't act like it, I'm glad we have a newspaper like the Washington Blade who is willing to call them out.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:29 PM
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48. Yes, it is. They are being put under the spotlight with no way to defend themselves.
I find that kind of sad. The attacks are more than just criticism, they are tactics of ridicule.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:36 PM
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49. Which newspapers do you think are attacking the DNC specifically?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:05 AM
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51. I responded to you.
Please do not slam me in PMs. Do it in the open.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:02 AM
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50. I am posting one more link... just to show I am not making stuff up.
The attacks on this page go far deeper than I would ever have imagined. I see Andy Tobias is trying to respond in the comments, and since he is gay I believe, he should be listened to. He is viciously attacked there.

Leah said she is not for gay marriage. But she took it further and said she keeps her church and DNC work separate.

I have never seen anything like these attacks. I hear the DNC has filed for a gag order. Since they are not counter attacking, I sure hope they get it.

I will post this page, with all its bitterness and rage...then I have made my point and I will back off. Good people are being destroyed here. Uselessly.

http://www.queerty.com/hot-seat-for-dean-in-dnc-gay-dis... /

None of them deserve this...not Dean, not Leah, not Obama. They may not be for gay marriage, but they are most certainly not anti-gay. Dean has gone out of his way to build ties.

This is another sad thing facing our party now.

Do you remember what Bill Clinton said about Dean to some financial backers to get them to change to Clark?

On Page 113 of his book "You Have the Power, Dean says:

"It remains to be seen, too, just how much my support for the civil unions bill will hurt my chances to reshape Democratic politics. Some pretty important Democrats have shown they think it might. When former president Clinton was trying to drum up support (for another candidate), just prior to (that candidate's) entry into the presidential race a year ago, he called a friend in a large city and said "I need you to be for Wesley Clark." The friend demurred.

The friend told Clinton he was Dean supporter. "Howard Dean", Clinton said "forfeited his right to run for president when he signed the civil unions bill. He can't win."

It was a rare mistake for the president. The supporter was gay and called us to tip us off.


So I guess he can not win for losing.

Damned if he does the right thing, damned even more when he tries to do it again. Yet most seem very warm to the Clintons on this issue.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:06 AM
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52. Let's examine this: First of all, Queerty isn't a "newspaper" as you claimed.
It's a blog - just an opinion site.

Secondly, Daughtry's defense IS included in Queerty stories, despite your FALSE claim that she's being attacked without a chance at a defense.

You really ought to be more careful before you slander others again.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #52
53. Well, then go after me also. I have a tough hide.
I guess there is no one good enough. That's sad.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:17 AM
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56. You might be better off addressing your false claims.
You claimed a blog as a newspaper.

You claimed they attacked Dean and Daughtry but gave them no chance to defend themselves - but in fact their own defense was included in the posts.

Why make up shit like that?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #56
59. Then why do blog Queer TV and Newspaper Washington Blade
go after the DNC so much.

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:24 AM
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63. Please back up your claim that they "go after the DNC so much" insome quantifiable way.
How much is "so much"?

Why do you think reporting the story is an attack?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:28 AM
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67. I posted links to two full pages. You are scaring me. Don't threaten.
Okay?

Those are page after page of attacks, angry ones.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:32 AM
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68. You found two pages of stories about public information. Now go lookat how many stories
are critical of the GOP.

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:25 AM
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64. That doesn't address your false claims about the GLBT press, or the OP's. NT
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:10 AM
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54. You don't know the difference between slander and libel, let alone truth and lies, do you?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:00 AM
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75. The real question is why you expect the GLBT press to cover up legitimate news
that is of interest to GLBT readers.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #75
76. because apparantly we cannot be allowed to discuss the holy DNC.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:14 AM by lionesspriyanka
however when every other group does it, thats constructive criticism

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:27 AM
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77. There is constructive criticism, and there is ripping people apart without facts.
And making private things public.

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:28 AM
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78. They're not "private things" - they're public record of lawsuits.
It's not private jut because you like Leah Daughtry.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:53 AM
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79. how is it private?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:08 AM
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81. If you think what the Washington Blade and QueerTV are doing.
to Dean and the others at the DNC, then that is your right. It really worries me that so many here think it is okay to attempt to destroy reputations.

That is your right. If you are willing to see good people harmed without a factual basis, that is your right.

I think it is tasteless and horrible.

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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #81
82. i think if you dont want your reputation destroyed you should act honorably
and quit blaming journalists when you have a miraculous case of amnesia
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:11 AM
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83. If reporting the facts about Leah Daughtry destroys her reputation, she ought to rethink how she
conducts herself.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #83
84. no shit, apparantly since we dont count anyway we should continue to make
sacrifices for the greater good.
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:18 PM
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87. So now the depositions have no factual basis?
The Queerty blog posts quoted directly from the Blade article, which quoted directly from the transcription of the deposition. Since Daughtry and Dean were the ones who were deposed, does that mean they were lying?

After reading what Daughtry has said about GLBT Americans, I think she's doing a find job destroying her own reputation. Should we lie and pretend she didn't say those things?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #76
152. You should know by now....
Genuflect before Howard Dean, or shut the fuck up.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:46 AM
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85. My goodness
What bigotry. This queer is never giving another dime to the Dem party. Or another minute of my time. They've gotten enough from me.

All they want is our money, time and votes, yet these people act this way toward us? Screw them!
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:40 PM
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88. Holy shit, makes me glad I never joined the Democratic party...
I knew there were assholes within it, but I didn't know they had leadership positions. I should keep myself more up to date on the shenanigans of the DNC. Not to mention the discrimination, oh well, can't expect the DNC to be better at this than anyone else. I'm disappointed.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:44 PM
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89. Message to DNC
Gay votes are not automatic. Where else can we go? ... HOME. Don't take my vote for granted, you are bound to be disappointed.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. I'll sign on the that n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #89
91. Hey, I think you made your message loud and clear.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 02:54 PM by madfloridian
Very loud and clear. You left no room for doubt.

I guess I still think that the DNC has tried to be fair. They have to be the party of all of the Democrats, the religious, the non-religious.

And they somewhere have to find room for people like me who are recovering Southern Baptists....who respect so much what Howard Dean has stood for and who still support his efforts...and people like you who simply despise him and Leah and Andy and everyone else there.

It is an impossible task.

At least the DNC is dignified enough to keep their views from being aired publicly.

I guess you will have to stay home or vote Republican because the DNC is made up of people with varying views.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:22 PM
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94. The DNC has to be the party of the anti-gays?
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 02:25 PM by Harvey Korman
Do they have to be the party of anti-blacks too?
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:42 PM
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97. Sorry I am not dignified enough
I don't hate Dr Dean . But I will not be at the table to people who are against my rights. If the Dem party allows anti-gays , they can count me out.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #91
98. So now it's "dignity" to hold bigoted views but keep them secret?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #91
100. You can not be a friend
both to the oppressed and the oppresser. You can not be a friend to the racist and the victim of racism. Get real. You are defending that which is wrong, and doing so by calling for a self censoring press. Wow.
Instead of defending this woman you call by her first name, Leah, you should be listening to the sound of a committed and well funded and organized Democratic voter base being traded off for people who really belong in the Republican Party, and in many cases have recently been in that party. For months now, it has been one insult after another. I have come to understand that few in this party stand for gay rights at all. The things I read posted are disgusting.
Let us start with Howard Dean. In general I love the guy. A while back he went on TV and claimed, incorrectly that the Democratic Party Platform had language against gay marriage. His office called back quickly, as the man should know the Platform, at the very least. I was told they were sorry, but he would not return to the show and correct that lie, um error. The bell can not be unrung, and Howard rang that bell.
Then came actual Democratic campaign events featuring actual anti-gay sermonizing, by an actual Bush backing Fundy. Same man who sang at GOP convention 2004, all weepy for Bush, spitting on my family as the host of an event for a Democratic Senator running for President. And no apology ever came along. Instead came promises of continued listening to the bigoted views, although he sort of disagrees.
Many of us were pissed off and still are. A lifetime in this Party. And we are a political device, subject to religious ridicule within what I used to think was 'our party'. Only the GOP played religious baiting games. And the rank and file did not give a rip. Wink wink, it's just Donnie's way of loving y'all. Sick.
Take a look for one honest moment at what religous influence has done to the GOP, and in recent months to our own Party. None of it is good. They bring nothing to the table but finger pointing and prejudice. Again and again, they prove to be poison. It is the fruit a tree bears that proves its kind. The religious political people are rotten fruit, and anyone can see that.
The 'gay press' is not some cabal that meets. You don't know anything about it, and it would take hours to school you. You think there is a 'gay agenda' beyond simple justice, I'm sure.
The bigots sure out themselves this cycle.
Any other minorities you think you can lecture on how to fight for equality? When to be angry? Maybe the Mexican should shut up too? How about the Jews? Or is it just the gays you think should do as we are told?
I've liked many of your posts, but you sure showed your hand here today. Sadly I think it is the hand of the DNC. The more fool them.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:01 PM
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101. I wondered why they did not wait for the courts. Why they played it out in public.
If you read hate into that I am sorry.

They have every right to do that to anyone they want to do it to. That is what America is about.

You can think I am hating when I question the tactics of releasing private things before a court hearing...or you can listen.

I guess no one should question the tactics.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. Isn't it customary for the press to report on cases as they occur?
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 03:06 PM by mondo joe
Have you ever suggested that the press should hold back from reporting on any Republican or non partisan scandal?

What a bizarre double standard you practice.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #101
103. All respect, but
you are accusing others of hating, which is in fact a rather typical tactic of religious style hate.
The items are public, you continue to say they are private. If the court felt they should not be released I am sure the court would say so.
You say there is so much hate from 'that community' toward good people. I think that says it all.
You brought hate into it, you did. You read news you did not like and said it is about hate, not honesty. If one's character can not bear the truth, that is not the fault of the truth teller.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #103
106. Have all the facts come out? Has the verdict been rendered?
Or are they all assumed guilty before being proved innocent.

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #106
109. ummm, you brought hate to the table,
that was your word toward 'that community', but I guess you don't want to admit that part.
Who said they were guilty? The court will render that verdict I assume.
But listen good and clear, I've heard plenty from Rev Leah to know what I think of her. I was raised pentacostal. So, yeah, I've rendered my verdict on her own words. What the court says about the case itself it up to the court. What I think about religious bigots involved in my rights in a secular society does not have to wait for a judge's ruling. I'm a free man, as much as that bugs the religionists, and I make up my own mind. The judge can make up your mind for you if you want. But what if he agrees with 'that community'? What then? Still going to be defending 'Leah' as a good person and the victim of hate from people who lack basic rights? Leah the victim of bad homos? All that hate that Dr Dean has fought all his life, so much hate for a rich white straight doctor, right? And the religious people, poor things, so hated they can not even get married. A real shame. White people and Christians, they just get all that hate from those awful powerful gays and lesbians and those frightful transexuals!
You live a a dream world.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #109
110. No, I brought no hate to the table. I asked questions.
If you wish to feel that way toward everyone I can do nothing about it.

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #110
115. From the OP: "There is such anger and hatred in this one."
You can't accuse others of hating and then say you didn't.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #100
165. I wish I could recommend your post Bluenorthwest
I have never seen this whole sordid affair laid out so plainly and succinctly. Anyone reading your post who continues to "not get it" is no friend to the GLBT community.

:yourock:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #91
204. --- signed, Howard Dean's Mommy.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #89
92. Yeah ditto.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:21 PM
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93. I'm amused by the "after all they've done for you!" tone to many of the outraged posts here
What a joke.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #93
96. I am "Ungrateful"
I don't want to be thrown out into the streets when Partner dies and the gov wants to tax me for his half of mutually owned property. In States other than CA, MA NJ, the county will re assess the ptoperty of Gays , unlike strait widows . But hey don't cross St Obama
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #93
148. I'd like to know exactly what they have done for us
Other than take our money and votes then give us nothing but crumbs in return (if that) because they have to think of how the bigots might be offended by us having equal rights.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #148
162. That pretty much sums it up.
And, they think we make too much noise. Uppity. We aren't acting right.
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Amimnoch Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:40 PM
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212. *CHEER*!!
Thank you Buffy! Was almost word for word what I was about to add! :toast:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #93
155. They already done so much for us, we should just shut up. /sarcasm
And now, we can't have any more porridge.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #155
188. Eff them
Maybe they can't have any more donations or votes. Lets see them get elected without them.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:26 PM
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95. Stunned?
Then apparently you've never been discriminated against. Of course there are some people who just don't get it, and then some who just won't get it. Because they don't want to.

For years blacks in the Democratic Party were told to wait. Sit down and be quiet. Stop agitating. You turn is coming soon. Real, real soon. But we couldn't wait any longer and so we kept agitating and exposing the racism that was in the party. Until the racists (most of the apparent one's anyway) left for Repukedom. Good riddance.

And while the GOP certainly hates gays outright, the DNC tries to talk a good game while collecting donations and support and delivers nothing substantive in return. Unless one considers closing down the DNC gay outreach office "a good thing." And with DNC chief of staff Leah Daughtrey prominent position in all this, someone who is a Pentecostal preacher and on record as being against full equality for gay people, well that pretty much sums up what the DNC's "real position" is for me.

I'm sorry, but this sounds vaguely familiar to me. So gays are supposed to play nice and not expose the family's dirty laundry, eh? If the Democratic Party can't withstand the exposure of its policies and actions, then what's the point of belonging to the party? Might as well be a Repuke since that's usually their "lockstep-get-in-line-and-shut-yer-trap" formula. But at some point the DNC will have to decide whether or not they stand for full equality, or not. And that's not going to happen on its own. Its takes pressure and agitation.

And given the piss-poor performance of Dean in his deposition statements, and the actions of the DNC as reported in the Queerty article in this matter, I have to conclude that they don't believe in full equality and they should be called on it. Until they do believe in full-equality......


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #95
104. That is just one side of the story. Why not wait for the court hearing?
Why play it out publicly?

Never mind. I get it. The decision has already been made. Verdict already rendered. :shrug:

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #104
105. Got you
We can not comment on an ongoing investigation.
Which Party is this again?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #104
107. This is false. The Blade and Queerty have reported the accusations AND the defense. NT
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #104
131. Why play it out publicly?
I don't know what I was thinking. Of course it shouldn't be discussed or argued pro or con. Secrets being held by political parties are ALWAYS better. I mean its not like anybody's life is involved here. And if there are any, why they're just gay lives. And who gives a shit about that? Obviously not Dean.

- Wake up!!!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #104
209. oh, the DRAMA!!
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:21 PM
Response to Original message
108. Nice to see you carry water for Dean on issues besides
disenfranchising Fl and MI, too.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #108
111. Oh, jeez.
There is so much anger and hatred.

There is no way to overcome any of it.

I am after truth, and I ask questions a lot about a lot of subjects.

If you think I am carrying someone's water...put me on ignore.

All the hate from my state, all the hate all around.

Say hello to President McCain.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #111
113. You're Not After Truth. You're After Silence.
If you were after truth, you would have no problem with the Blade - or any other newspaper - reporting on this investigation. You would want as much information made available as possible.

What you really want is for gay people to shut up and stop rocking the boat. We know what you want. We get asked to do this all the time. And you guys always have some variation of "for the good of the party" to excuse your bigotry.

Wanting to know the truth is not hate. Reporting the truth is not hate. Blaming victims...that comes pretty close.

Please stop your incessant whining.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #113
124. proved by
the statement...Say hello to President McCain.

If we have to betray our principles to win, then what exactly are we winning?
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #111
117. No your not
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 04:23 PM by booley
"I am after truth, and I ask questions a lot about a lot of subjects."

No your not.

What you are after is going after people you think are going after "Your side". It's a simple "attack the messenger" tactic.

Also you try to make it out as if you are the victim by using the infamous "cavuto". You're not "accusing" anyone. You are just asking a question! Questions that are leading and based on a false premise meant to advance a position without admitting one is trying to advance a position. It's a stealth argument.

And it becomes even worse when takes your positions to their logical course:
That no one should air a party's dirty laundry.
That newspapers should act as political organs and not as reporters of reality.
That double standards are ok since being true to one's principles might mean political losses.

I mean, this is shit we bitch about Republicans doing. Yet here you are advocating it. Implicit is just as bad as explicit.

And don't say you're not doing that or didn't mean that. I have dealt with too many people doing this crap. All I have to do is go by what you have written above to prove my point.

Yes, I could just ignore you. But the problem wouldn't go away. You would still go on along with so many others, making crappy fear mongering, baseless arguments and polluting any real dialogue. Is there a right wing bias in the "gay press" ? probably not but we can't even have an honest debate or examination of the subject to say either way because of all the noise people like you generate.

No it's not hate towards you. It's annoyance and disgust.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #117
121. OK, then summarize the things each person at the DNC did wrong.
Only facts though, no supposition.

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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #121
123. You mean..
Do the job of the courts to decide if wrong has been done and the press which has already been done and you decided you won't accept?

My, what a nice little catch 22.

Nor does it deal with the tactics you have been using here. I mean, you wrote the OP. You made a claim. You are the one on whom the burden of proof lies.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #123
125. Notice the claim to have only asked questions - but the OP is full of statements: that the reporting
is because of HATE; that the defendants are GOOD PEOPLE and therefore victims.

Very duplicitous.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #125
175. I also notice the repeated accusation that we are the haters.
Anyone who protested the characterization of the "gay community" as some monolithic borg was told that we are "full of hate" or "making the OP our enemy."

Very strong words. I don't often say this, but I think we are seeing genuine homophobia in action. Fear of gay people.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #175
178. And the repeated "Why cover this story" as if that isn't standard journalism. As if the OP isn't
noting lawsuits in her own DU journal.

This is some crazy shit.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #178
180. I've learned that homophobia really is a phobia.
Some folks have a genuine fear of gay people. They panic when confronted with gay people. I saw a person get up from their chair and literally run out of a coffee shop when informed that the owner is queer.

Why the unreasoning terror related to a court case involving gay people, followed by persistent accusations that "the gay community" is filled with hatred toward Howard Dean? I don't think its rational.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #180
193. Are you calling me a homophobe, yardwork? Please respond.
.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #193
206. No. I'm musing on the fact that some folks seem to have an unreasoning fear of the gay.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #121
130. Conversely, if the Blade printed anything that the DNC disagrees with
Why aren't they asking the Blade to retract print a correction?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #111
213. you ask one question over and over again and reject the answer everytime.
you madam, are no truthseeker.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #108
210. beat me to it.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:01 PM
Response to Original message
112. Your post reminds me of an "ex".
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 05:01 PM by JackBeck
Anytime I disagreed with him, he'd ask me why I hated him so much. I had to constantly remind him that just because I was disagreeing, while also supplying evidence of why I disagreed with him, doesn't equate to hate. He never got it. And by the looks of this thread, neither will you.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #112
114. Because I asked why play out private stuff publicly....I am now judged.
I know my OP was sincere, and it was a very good question.

I don't mind being judged if everyone feels better.

It all just seems so senseless.

It is a good question. Why defame characters in a court case before the case is heard.

Sorry I am now the object of hate....but hey I ain't exactly loved here anyway. I am fine with it.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #114
116. You made the intellectual leap equating this to hate.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 05:05 PM by JackBeck
When all the press was doing was its job.

If the DNC had problems with all of this, they could seek and injunction, and if a judge agreed with the DNC, then the Blade would have to stop reporting.

The LGBT community has every right to hold a party that out of one side of its mouth begs for our money and votes, while saying out of the other that it uses one of our community's oldest publications to line her birdcage. Do you repudiate that statement or not?
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #114
118. It Was Not a Good Question. It Was An Asinine Question.
You asked if anyone else thought a newspaper - A NEWSPAPER - was wrong for reporting the news.

You are an idiot child.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #118
119. That's sad.
.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #119
120. It Sure Is.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #118
129. good one!
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #114
126. It' s not that private
if it involves a large national organization like the DNC or what is going on in the courts.

Going to court tends to make things public, whether by intention or not.

Nor have I seen any evidence that these depositions were under a gag order.

"Why defame characters in a court case before the case is heard."

Interesting question from someone complaining about details of the case being posted on a blog.

Sorry I am now the object of hate....but hey I ain't exactly loved here anyway.

Well if everybody is being so mean to you, then why not go to your room and have a good cry and write in your diary about how everybody just understand you.

LIFE"S SO UNFAIR TO YOU!!!!

Or maybe wait until your state passes laws designed specificly to cause you harm based on who you are or have to worry about being fired or beaten or killed based on who you are so you can understand what hate actually is.

Becuase this whole faux victim thing is really annoying.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #126
127. You are assuming I am your enemy.
I am not. I never was. But the anger now is overboard, I can live with it without whining.

I don't know why you assume I am your enemy.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #127
207. you are not acting like a friend to ANYONE in this forum or in the Democratic party for that matter.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #127
236. First hate and now this
First you accuse us of "hating you" and now of treating you like the "enemy".

Which strongly implies that you are trying to present yourself a as victim in lieu of actually responding to anything i said.

Especially when nothing in my post which you are responding to presents you as an "enemy"

Willfully obtuse, making poor and fallacious arguments, polluting the dialogue, painting an an entire community with a broad brush, and making misleading comments.... but that alone does not make you my enemy. It makes at best, my annoyance.

deal with he actual issue or stop making a fool of yourself.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #112
132. What a piece of work this article is.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 05:41 PM by sfexpat2000
It's starts out bashing to Dean's appearance and ends slamming his mental state.

How very progressive. If anything, that writer sounds like a vindictive ex.

madfloridian is right. Maybe you don't get it.

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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #132
133. It's a blog.
Show me where on that blog they claim to be "progressive".

I hope your beautiful mind has never wondered over to Perez Hilton or the Rude Pundit.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #133
134. It's a blog, so it's fine. Got it.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #134
135. Blogs and newspapers aren't the same thing. The Washington Blade is the newspaper -
better to hold newspapers to journalistic standards. Blogs are just personal opinion.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #134
141. Wow.
Can you point to where I offered approval of the comments?

It's a blog that is providing snarky commentary about a dispute between the DNC, former gay staff of the DNC and the Washington Blade.

Why not offer commentary about that issue, instead of parsing the snark from some random blog?

You've already given your support for the OP by saying "I don't get it". What, exactly, in your opinion, do I "not get"?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #141
149. I did. And pot, meet kettle.
The OP asked why it was useful for this blog to publish this material.

You're response was that the poster "didn't get it".

You are right. I do agree with the OP. There are plenty of more productive ways to register the same complaint on the same issue.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #149
151. No, the OP asked:
"Why are GLBT newspapers publicly airing details of depositions of the DNC staff?"

queerty.com is not a GLBT newspaper, but a blog.

Look at the edits in the first few responses, not to mention all the confusion in the subthreads that follow. Looks like the OP was originally directed toward the whole community, then was edited to include newspapers, followed by a link to a snarky blog? The OP is all over the place and one can understand if there's confusion toward who is actually the one perpetrating hatred.

I know this story front and back and have been following this ever since this:

http://www.thetaskforce.org/press/releases/pr937_051006

So don't you dare tell me that I "don't get it".
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #151
166. I edited and said why. I said I was doing it
I was going to ask this thread be locked, but let the hate continue unabated.

No one will take up for me, but I don't need that.

I asked a fair question.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #166
173. queerty isn't a gay newspaper.
Which are you railing against for spewing your so-called hate? The blog or the newspapers for reporting about this?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #151
168. I guess I do dare, thanks.
Real questions asked are important.

You get hung up on the edits, if that ups your pleasure. It doesn't forward anything to attack people who ask questions, even or especially questions you don't like or agree with.



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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #168
176. So you're now part of the club
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 09:37 PM by JackBeck
that has a problem with newspapers doing their job?

On edit: you still haven't pointed out where queerty claims they are a progressive website.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #176
177. That one has a serious problem with uppity queers.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #176
181. *This* is a progressive website or am I mistaken?
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 09:44 PM by sfexpat2000
And what club are you referring to? I've been calling out the corporate media for years and also am part of the independent media. If that makes me part of a club, cool!


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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #181
183. The "club" that has a problem with newspapers reporting news.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 09:46 PM by JackBeck
Which is what the OP was so concerned with.

Again, you claim that queerty wasn't touting the progressive line upthread. Where did queerty claim to be progressive?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #183
185. No. But nice spin.
The OP objected to the way this issue was being engaged in public when engaging it in private might be more effective.

And I never said that outlet was progressive. In fact, I said it was not.

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #185
189. So a GLBT newspaper is supposed to "engage" the DNC rather than report the news?
:crazy:
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #189
197. Oh, they treid to do this privately.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #197
199. I'm still trying to figure out what a few here think is wrong with a newspaper reporting the news.
I'm not getting it. Are you?
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #199
205. I guess it's different when
the LGBT community decides to turn to the only non-partisan media outlets to expose the hypocrisy of a party that claims to hold their best interests in mind.

Because, you know, we're the only ones that consistently lose elections for the Dems.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #185
198. Talk about spin:
"It's starts out bashing to Dean's appearance and ends slamming his mental state.

How very progressive."

Your words.

Again, where did queerty ever claim to be a progressive blog?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #198
200. Amusing to see that from someone who has defended attacks on Democrats from Code Pink.
Seems it's fine to harass Democrats, to occupy their offices, to camp outside their homes, to smear them.... but it's not okay for a newspaper to report on a lawsuit on public record.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #198
211. (Pssst: There is no claim there that the thing is progressive.
There is the registering that it isn't.)
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #211
214. By your definition.
Which is what this has all been about. How you define progressive.

You find it cruel that a gay blog makes snarky comments about Dr. Dean and Ms. Daughtry. I get it. You worship the party over the people.

Thanks for playing. I hope you never read the Rude Pundit, Jesus General, or the many non-gay blogs that persistently take the DNC to task.

Thank Jeebus Randi and Steph for having a sense of humor.

I can't believe you've gotten so bent out shape over a queer blog being snarky over the bigger picture. I've noticed you've not once commented on the facts that have been shared, through the published emails and depositions.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #214
215. (Psst: I'm not a registered Democrat.
And, yes, I have said that there are more constructive ways to deal with this conflict.)
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #215
216. Care to elaborate?
The Blade tried to handle this quietly and got threatened.

What would be your more constructive advice?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #216
217. How was The Blade threatened?
I'd like to know that. Because I have nothing but respect for The Blade.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #217
218. I've posted it a few times in this thread
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #218
220. Thanks for posting it again. I've got it and I'll do my best
to run it down.

If I get anywhere, I'll PM you. If I don't, I'll also PM you.

Have to do some footwork on Hitchcock to make sure I understand the stakes.

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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #217
219. And yet the question remains:
If the DNC disagreed with what has been reported, why haven't they asked for a retraction and an apology?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #219
221. Let's find out. That's a fair question. n/t
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #221
222. As long as we're close to being on the same page.
Let's move on from here.

:pals:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #222
223. Sounds good to me. My deal is mostly about keeping us on that slippery page.
lol

:hi:
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #223
224. Look into that story, please.
I look forward to sharing notes.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #149
156. "More productive ways"? Like protesting outside Daughtry and Dean's houses?
Relative to the complaints registered against Pelosi and others Dems, a blog post is pretty tame stuff.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:24 PM
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122. There is no "gay community." It's a right-wing myth.
I'm a lesbian and it's the first I've heard of this. I have no idea what the truth of this is, but it sounds like somebody is claiming discrimination against the DNC. From your link:

Those of you keeping up remember that former DNC Gay & Lesbian Leadership Council chair Donald Hitchcock filed the suit after being sacked days after his boyfriend, Paul Yanduras 2006 open letter criticizing the organizations lackluster gay policies. Hitchcock alleges that the DNC and Chairman Dean unfairly fired him and later worked to defame his character.

Why is some "gay community" being blamed for an anti-discimination lawsuit filed against the DNC? If a straight person filed an anti-discrimination lawsuit, would you post complaints that the "straight community" was unfairly targeting the DNC?

I get so sick of this crap!!!! Gay people are all around you - we are your neighbors, coworkers, relatives, and friends. We aren't programmed zombies who all think and act alike!!!! There is no "gay community" fax machine that revs up every morning telling all gays what to do that day!!

Knock it the hell off with the gay bashing. Thank you.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #122
128. Not fair.
But I am not sorry I tried to word it right.

The most telling thing now is that I am your enemy when I never ever was.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:58 PM
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153. Oh I give up. You slammed me and every other gay person in the country in your OP
and now I'm at fault for protesting? Where did I say anything about your being anyone's "enemy?"

It seems to me that you get hysterical easily. You're probably overreacting to this DNC thing too.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:35 PM
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136. Damned hateful uppity queers
They're the only ones who ever file suits against the DNC. :sarcasm:




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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #136
137. I know! And all these lawsuits coming out of the gay woodwork like the
Hitchcock suit and.....and.....um....

I'm sure there's others around here somewhere.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #137
147. The ones from FL. Or have you not heard.
There is one in appellate court tomorrow, which may be carried to the Supreme Court. There was one by Bill Nelson, which was dismissed. There is perhaps another on tap. FL wants the courts to decide the nominee.



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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #147
171. What do suits in FL have to do with alleged anti-gay discrimination
at the DNC office in Washington?

I honestly don't see how they are related.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #171
174. I responded to this statement from you.
"Hitchcock suit and.....and.....um....

I'm sure there's others around here somewhere."

You were saying I was not telling the truth, so I answered you.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:00 PM
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154. Yeah, why don't we just shut up. /sarcasm
It's our fault the country's going to hell in a handbasket. /more sarcasm

If the Republicans win the White House this fall it will be all the queers' fault - again! /the limit of sarcasm
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:52 PM
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140. You seem to support
Reverend Wright's right to express what he feels. Why do you deny LGBT citizens theirs?
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:28 PM
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142. This needs to be out in public because it involves the DNC's treatment of a minority group
It's not like the attitude toward gay people (shut up and sign checks) was any great secret before, nor is this suit new news.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:42 PM
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143. Okay, you win.
Present your case in the public eye, call the people there crazy, and make fun of their appearance.

Don't worry if they are really all guilty or not.

I have been judged and found to be the enemy because I questioned tactics.

You win. I can not fight that kind of attitude.

I was not the enemy.

Be sure to include all the folks there, be sure to give opinions.

I am the enemy now, and I can handle that. Funny thing is I really am not. Never was.

Do what you have to do. Do it loudly and publicly. See, there won't be anyone fighting for their reputation because they have been told to remain silent.

When you tape the chairman of the convention committee in her church, being religious....be sure to post it and ridicule her for her Christianity.

Make sure Dean is brought down as chair...because he has not been fair enough. Tried to be fair, not fair enough.

I asked a question, I am now a hater, and I am now an enemy. Not fair enough because I asked a question.

So do what you have to do. But I was never an enemy. Never. That's is what is sad about this thread.

DO it, go for it.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #143
144. You injected hate into this conversation with your OP.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 08:20 PM by JackBeck
And many posters tried in vain to point you in the right direction, all during your continued protests.

Who has called you the enemy? I haven't, nor has buffy, leftymom nor others in this thread.

Own up to how your OP was divisive, and based on conjecture. You're providing a link to a blog that is offering snarky commentary on a dispute between fired gay Democrats, the Washington Blade and the DNC. Personally, I support this lawsuit and hope many questions will be answered about the DNC's tactics when addressing my community.

Another question that hasn't been answered is if the Blade posted anything that was inaccurate, why didn't he DNC ask for a retraction and an apology from the Blade?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:13 PM
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146. If you say I was hateful, then I must have been.
I don't know how to phrase things that do not offend. I don't even know which words are politically correct to use.

I was right. They are playing something out in public that is mostly one person's concern...and it is ballooning.

I could tell you our efforts here when the Southern Baptists teamed up with the FL legislature and the Catholics. Many of us rose up in defense.

But you see, it would not matter how much we did then, because I don't phrase things perfectly properly.

But I try.

Yes, it is important to play it out in the open. If you didn't the bad guys there might get away with something.

Maybe since the DNC has another lawsuit tomorrow, the third in a series from my state....they might be stretched a little thin time and money wise to launch a strong defense. I doubt it would do them any good if they did. They have been found wanting already.

If you ever want to hear that hubby and I are not such bad people, ask me privately. Judge not, because we have been friends in a very unfriendly area of this state.

You know how I feel? Sad that I am the enemy.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #146
170. Stop playing the wounded martyr and feeling sorry for yourself
Do you do this every time someone disagrees with you? This really isn't all about you, you know. In fact, it's not even a little about you.

You know how I feel? Tired of being under this bus.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #170
172. Well, yes, you have made it all about me to evade the question I asked.
I am no victim, just someone asking a question that sure made people angry.

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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #172
182. No, you made it all about you
Evading. :eyes:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #142
163. Thanks, LeftyMom
:pals:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:53 PM
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150. Because it's an issue of importance to
many GLBT people, and Dean looked like a liar in his deposition.

Do you still wear a black armband from the day he dropped out?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #150
208. blahahaha! black arm band.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:06 PM
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157. Damn ungrateful nellies!
In my day the sodomites knew their place!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:09 PM
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158. maybe because lgbtq folk have been treated SO WELL by the dnc.
we're ungrateful little sods when we actively defend ourselves using all means at our disposal -- kinda like straight folk do to dismiss us, deride our goals, and generally throw us under the bus when they feel like it.

so now it's happening in reverse -- and you wanna whine about it.

:nopity:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:27 PM
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169. I stand by my question. It was a fair one. Why play a court case in public?
Whatever you need to call me, it is ok. It needed to be said.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #169
179. They printed emails from the DNC, originally, before the depositions.
Are you opposed to publically printing emails from the White House?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #179
184. The WH can't find their emails. The DNC was open about theirs.
I guess this is a new record of people letting me know where I stand.

In spite of that, I think that the blog and the paper are wrong to do this.

It is bordering on spiteful.

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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #184
186. So if the White House were to find those emails
you would have no problem with newspapers publishing them.

But the Blade is wrong for publishing emails from the DNC?

Thanks for the clarification.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #179
190. If there is no lawsuit pending, I have to think about it.
With the DNC there has been a lawsuit pending forever. That is a different case.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #190
191. I called my sister earlier about all of this.
And she said as long as there's no gag order, this is perfectly legal.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #191
194. Hey, if it's legal, it doesn't have to be ethical or right. Go for it.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #194
226. Are you saying the DNC is ethical
when it comes to LGBT rights?
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #169
187. I will answer your question without calling you anything.
Because newspapers report news. The Washington Blade has not done anything differently than any other newspaper in the United States when it comes to depositions, e-mails, or testimony related to a subject important to its readers.

Here is a story from a newspaper in Chicago reporting the details of a deposition:
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=154664&src=1

Here is a story from a newspaper in Tacoma discussing the content of certain e-mails:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/business/story/309719.htm...

And here is a story from a newspaper in New York reporting on the testimony given in a trial:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/crime/ny-nybell0315,0...

Many court cases are played in public, or in the press, all over the country, on any given day. This particular court case is no different. Accusing anyone of "hate" on either side of this story is overreaching at best.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #187
192. I have read some of the pages. There is a lot of harmful stuff.
Stuff that will not go away, even if it turns out not to be based in fact.

Thanks for not calling me anything.

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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #192
196. The stuff reported on in those articles is entirely fact and is
verifiable evidence in the form of e-mails, sworn testimony in a court of law, and a legally recorded deposition. The same applies to the Dean and Daughtry depositions and the e-mails reported on by the Washington Blade.

Sometimes facts can be harmful, and need to be told no matter how much we wish they would just go away.

:shrug:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #169
195. Because some of us would like to know WTF is going on
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 09:58 PM by mitchtv
before we give another nickle. We were told that dropping the LGBT Outreach group at DNC was a good thing. Others closer in say otherwise. It is an intensely public affair. If the truth hurts so be it. That should answer your OP too. Aint nuthin private about it.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #169
201. uh, because this is supposed to be a DEMOCRACY and this case involves public figures/monies
and we have a right to know.
and it's the right way to conduct business.
and if they have nothing to hide, then they should fare just fine.
and because the facts will speak for themselves.
and because this isn't Soviet Russia.
and because no matter what the DNC says, "the gay community" matters.


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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:37 PM
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225. There's an inherent disconnect between the title of the OP
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 12:24 AM by JackBeck
And the body of the message.

You question the "GLBT newspapers" in the title of the thread, but the majority of the body of your post is a rant against a gay blog.

So, which do you have an issue with?

The Washington Blade reporting on a story for the last few months?

Or a blog offering some snarky commentary about what the media has been reporting?

Or both?
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:37 AM
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227. My reading is that the OP has a problem with some "gay community" picking on the DNC.
When some of us explained that there is no "gay community" we were accused of being haters. Just another day on DU!

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #227
229. notice that no one came to the OP's defense...the good news is that "DU" isn't represented
by this particular poster -- she wasn't even able to garner ONE cheerleader.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:31 PM
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232. There were a few but I think they got deleted.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #232
235. this whole thread is such flamebait -- why has it not been locked?
i mean, the OP basically charges that there's a gay cabal bent on bringing down the DNC. it's obscene.
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:30 AM
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228. DAMMIT!! Us gays have been caught!!!
You are a sly and wily adversary. You figured you that the GLBT community is behind this.


Before giving my rank and serial number, I will say that you were amazingly adept in discovering our evil gay plot to hand the '08 election to the republicans...


On '04 we were cunning and asked if we might have the chance to marry.. We sure won that one!!!!

Watch out in 2016!!! We have plans to politely ask for equal rights!!! BWAHAHAHAHHA another hand off to the republicans!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 11:43 AM
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230. Damn "those gays" -- how dare they actually be reporters!
Don't they know their place?!?!?!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:43 PM
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233. "that community"
Spat instead of said, no doubt.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:25 PM
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234. Whatever the motivations behind these GLBT publications, are depositions not public record?
I thought they were.
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fightthegoodfightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:15 PM
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237. Look at the Track Record of These So Called GLBT News Media
Ever since the Washington Blade was bought by outside local interests, they have introduced editorials that have at best been anti-Democratic Party while glossing over the GOP's faults. I don't much believe a world of their BS. Oh....... sure they'll endorse Clinton or some other Democrat after snarling at them while they give a free pass to the GOP. It's really sad and yet another example of a corporation whose is less accountable to their readership than their own P&L Statement.

I used to love the Washington Blade, having read it for over 30 years, but it's become yet another victim of media mergers making it irrelevant in today's internet world.

Ironically, the one thing that could save them is LOCAL reporting and yet that has been relegated to news clips from other media.
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