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momophile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:53 PM
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how far do I go to protect my daughter from derogatory words?
there are certain words in the English language that I wish my daughter would never hear in her life. thats unrealistic, though, I know. Im not talking about swear words like shit, hell, damn, or even fuck these words dont really bother me. the words that bother me and that Id like her to never hear, let alone say, are the derogatory words used against blacks, women, gays, etc I know that shell hear the most popular of these words and I know that Ill have to teach her early on that it is never okay to use them or to sit idly by if her friends use them.

but there are other words or phrases that are less common but that we all know at least some of, that are still unacceptable. and here is my dilemma how far do I go to protect my daughter from these less popular derogatory words?

here is an example from my life that is very real: I grew up listening to the album Hair. I took pride in knowing the lyrics to most of the songs, although I didnt always know what they all meant. there is one song in particular that is a perfect example of my dilemma Colored Spade. some of the terms used in this song I have never heard used anywhere else. I guess Ive been lucky. but I learned from this song what they mean and that they are derogatory. of course, Id rather that these terms just fade from our language never to be uttered again, but thats not going to happen for a while. but now Im wondering if I should play the song in front of my young daughter. I would never forbid her from listening to it I realize that would be censorship. but should I promote it? should I just go along playing it and just plan on washing her mouth out with soap (albeit organic soap) the first time I ever hear her say one of the words?

does anyone have experiences or insight to share with me here?
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:54 PM
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1. Is this meant to be ironic?
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momophile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:56 PM
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3. why would it be?
I don't follow...
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:07 PM
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11. Well, you talk about whether you should play the "Hair" album for your daughter, or not.
Which seems to be a not too wrenching decision for most, but that's not to diminish the impact.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:34 PM
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17. the GOP have bought the website C.U.N.T - is that your point?
Granted they are cute about the name (the C is of course "Clinton", etc.)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:56 PM
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2. My folks did their best, but the real world kept seeping in through the
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 10:01 PM by Old Crusoe
cracks of their good intentions.

Kids hear it all relatively early and sense instinctively which words are to be repeated at the supper table and which are not to be repeated around Grandma and their 3rd period Geometry teacher, etc.

Kurt Vonnegut asserts that raw speech doesn't hurt children. He says deceit and betrayal and lying and hypocrisy hurts them.
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momophile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:59 PM
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5. I like what Vonnegut said
thanks.

I guess teaching what is right and wrong and then making sure that I practice what I preach.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:00 PM
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7. I bet you are tuned just right to the big picture on this one, momophile.
Sorry to drag in Kurt Vonnegut, but he's been a great favote of mine for a long time -- and he writes about his family just beautifully in PALM SUNDAY.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:02 PM
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8. Jesus Christ, I really miss having Kurt Vonnegut on the same planet as me.
I could even put up with having him in the same solar system though my feelings would be hurt. What a good human being he was.

PB
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:03 PM
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9. I'm with you all the way on that one, Poll_Blind. You bet.
Huge gift for the human heart.


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tachyon Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:58 PM
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4. Never try to tell anybody they can't use certain words.
It just encourages them and pisses you off. Believe me, I speak from 50 years of experience.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:59 PM
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6. Just explain to her that these are old songs and some of the words in them aren't okay to use now.
Identify what the words are and explain what they mean. It could end up being a good history lesson. I remember there was a school district that wanted to ban books like Huckleberry Finn because of racist terms in them, which I think is unfortunate. You don't stop bigotry and other harmful things by controlling access to information and depriving young people of history. That's Orwellian as hell. It's better to let young people have a lot of information and for us older folks to put it in perspective for them.

Just my $.02.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:05 PM
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10. You don't protect
you educate. You prepare them for the world. Teach them that words have power only if we give power to them. You help a child become an adult, ready to deal with the world, and not protected in a cocoon.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:07 PM
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12. Teach her to respect all life, Human and other
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 10:08 PM by mitchtv
Let her read and know the language and its awesome power. It should take care of itself
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:08 PM
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13. Don't know if this is good
but to put it simply you can't, what you can do however is to teach her that some words are hurtful, and really no different from other name calling fat, or ugly, or freak you get the idea. I speak from experience here I have 4 kids aged from, 29-11 it worked with all of them.

Good luck
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:34 PM
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18. I had never even thought about those words before, I don't
think alot of people do, however, Hip-hop is something else. I definitely would not want a child of mine to listen to it, or watch some of the disgusting cartoons on TV. I also would monitor the friends she keeps. Friends make a big impact on how a child develops and what kind of people they are exposed too. Vulgarities, shop lifting, smoking are common among youngsters, keep her away from those types. With your love and affection and attention she will be fine. I have 2 girls. 1 is now a 3rd grade special ed teacher and the other has a very good job at a lg University. They've brought me much happiness.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:13 PM
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14. You can't protect her from derogatory words....an impossible task!
You have to teach her how to interprete those words into a 'common sense' way of looking at things....well, maybe it's not "common" sense (meaning a view shared by the majority), but a practical sense.

Just by you asking this/these questions demonstrates that you're on a positive track....and you will teach that to your daughter/children.....

Peace and good wishes from a fellow mother who shares your worries, hopes, and concerns,
M_Y_H
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:16 PM
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15. Love her and tell her the truth, appropriate to her age level.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:24 PM
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16. I grew up listening to HAIR also. We seem to have turned out ok. :^D However, I married
a conservative Xian so my kids haven't heard it yet.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:35 PM
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19. most lyrics to songs in HAIR are there to make a point, not be shocking or derogatory and
many of those tunes are surprisingly current even after all those years.

Msongs
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:36 PM
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20. Words only have the power we ascribe to them.
n/t
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:00 AM
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21. It might be a good time to have a discussion about WHY...
...people use derogatory words; that can also segue into how words become derogatory.

I remember the discussions my elders had with me on that topic when I was a child. It mostly came down to "People use derogatory words about other people for one of two reasons: Either they don't know any better, in which case we should pity their ignorance and folly; or they are fearful, angry, and unhappy, in which case we should pity their misery. In neither case should we emulate them or approve of their behavior. It might not always be appropriate to discuss the matter with them, but you can ALWAYS say quietly, 'I don't agree.'"

When I was an adolescent, I was amazed at what clueless ignorami my elders were. Now that I'm approaching elderhood myself, I am in awe of their wisdom.

evolutionarily,
Bright
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:13 AM
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22. Impossible.
There is not a thing you can do to prevent her from learning any and every word in the English language unless you move to a country where English is not spoken.



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rusty_shackleford Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:42 AM
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23. bad words should be banned!
don't any of you realize that words have power? words can hurt, just like any weapon such as a gun or a knife. if we can legislate weapons that hurt, why not words as well? I sure don't like my daughter being exposed to naughty language, I fear that if she hears them enough they will make her want to do drugs and have unprotected sex and kill people. that, is unacceptable to me. would you want that happening to your daughter? i sure don't want my daughter's fragile virgin mind being damaged by this kind of toxic filth.

i think we should all write our congresspersons and request a ban on all curse words and racial slurs. first offenses should warrant tickets, and repeat offenders should get jail time. then, and only then will the degradation of our society, racism, and intolerance be stopped.

we should all protect our children from the harmful effects of bad language. Please, think of the children...
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-Wolverine- Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:45 AM
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24. Shes going to hear them
She is going to hear them.

There nothing you can really do to stop that, they are just words. No physical harm can come from mere words.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:54 AM
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25. Putting any kind of taboo on something...
...inherently makes that thing more attractive. They are just words. And if you discuss with her what they are and that they're for adults, then you shouldn't have a problem. Trying to keep her from hearing that stuff is just asking for trouble. Please don't be that crazy parent.
Duckie
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