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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:09 PM
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"President Bush's veto will be one of the most shameful acts of his presidency" -Ted Kennedy
100% correct Ted although the illegal invasion, occupation, and genocide in Iraq is right up there with it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN073711...

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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:11 PM
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1. SCHIP - He basically said, "let the children die."
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 12:53 PM by bluerum
edit sp. :blush:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:21 PM
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6. Indeed
Add that one and don't forget Katrina.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:11 PM
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2. Yeah, plenty of competition for that award.
:(
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:11 PM
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3. I agree, and that is a hard list to top.
IMPEACH THE WAR CRIMINALS!!!
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:13 PM
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4. C'mon Georgie
get your ass on that McCain campaign trail would ya? Everybody's waiting to see some more hugging and kissing between you two.

Kennedy needed to say something like: "One of the most shameful acts of a presidency filled with shameful acts" IMO
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:45 PM
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8. I agree
because during his administration Bush has filled a Hall of Shame.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:14 PM
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5. The most shameful act was when Dubya said "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully
execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Dubya knew that was a lie and he intended NOT TO "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:52 PM
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9. Actually the most shameful act preceded his presidency
It was when Poppy, his friends and the Supremes stole Florida for him.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:56 PM
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18. Agree but that was a team effort. What a stain on U.S. history! n/t
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:37 PM
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27. jody
jody

And this Administration are a stain it will take longer to clean up, then everything President Clinton must have been doing wrong the 8 year he was in office...

And, for the most part what even President Nixon must have doing bad.. AND THAT IS BAD..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:43 PM
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29. Your language is outstanding. I wish I was as fluent in another language. Have a great day.
:hi:
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:02 PM
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30.  jody
jody

Thank you ;).. But I think I should go to bed rather go up to my day then.. it is 02:00 here I am. SO I guess, it would be good night.

Dam, the medication are kicking in to... Sleeeeeeeeepy :evilgrin:


Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language:
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horseshoecrab Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:34 PM
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26. Shame
Shamefulness seems to run in that family and in the republicon party too!

horseshoecrab
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:39 PM
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7. senator kennedy is absolutely correct...this encourages more terrorism
impeach
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:53 PM
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10. Ditto n/t
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:53 PM
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11. Wait until the first American soldier suffers this type of torture
What will the MonkeyMan say then?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:56 PM
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13. Are you serious?
Just look at the treatment of the returning Veterans and the lack of equipment provided for them. Look at the water scandal they faced in Iraq. Just look at how Cheney's friends at Haliburton continue to exploit them.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:55 PM
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12. Rec'd
:kick:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:01 PM
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14. Don't forget the shameful Commander AWOL - LIHOP on 9/11
torture and murder of Americans for political advantage

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:30 PM
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19. And don't forget the whitewashing of the hearing n/t
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:22 PM
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15. post katrina in NOLA
wasn't too good either.
let's face it, georgie IS turd pile.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:30 PM
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16. Gee, with so much shame to choose from
how do you decide what is most shameful?
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calicat Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:56 PM
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17. There are so damned many
but this one is a doozy.
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H8fascistcons Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:35 PM
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20. You Mr. Kennedy are right up there
because you and the rest of the criminal Fascist enablers Nancy Pelosi, Rahm Emanuel, Harry Reed, Jay Rockefeller, Steny Hoyer continue to let the Bush crime family commit these crimes and destroy our constitution, yet REMAIN SILENT ON IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!!!!Never forget until these corporate Democrats are voted out of office for good!
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:51 PM
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21. The height of hypocrisy
They'll complain bitterly about Bush** vetoing the ban on waterboarding, but they still won't move to impeach him even though he's blatantly approving a war crime by doing this.

Repubs, Dems, they're equally useless. I'm beyond infuriated and fed up with them all.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:00 PM
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22. "We don't torture." GW Bush
Change the language of the actions & keep torturing.

Enhanced interrogation techniques

Technique details under the Bush administration

According to ABC News<42>, former and current CIA officals have come forward to reveal details of interrogation techniques authorised in the CIA. These include:

1.The Attention Grab: The interrogator forcefully grabs the shirt front of the prisoner and shakes him.
2.Attention Slap: An open-handed slap aimed at causing pain and triggering fear.
3.The Belly Slap: A hard open-handed slap to the abdomen. The aim is to cause pain, but not internal injury. Doctors consulted advised against using a punch, which could cause lasting internal damage.
4.Long Time Standing: This technique is described as among the most effective. Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor, for more than 40 hours. Exhaustion and sleep deprivation are effective in yielding confessions.
5.The Cold Cell: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees Fahrenheit (10 degrees Celsius).
6.Waterboarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Material is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.

Methods used at GITMO
1.Prolonged sleep deprivation,
2.Sensory deprivation,
3.Extremely painful "stress positions,"
4.Sensory bombardment (such as prolonged loud noise and/or bright lights),
5.Forced nakedness,
6.Sexual humiliation,
7.Cultural humiliation (such as desecration of holy scriptures),
8.Being subjected to extreme cold that induces hypothermia,
9.Exploitation of phobias,
10.Simulation of the experience of drowning and controlled drowning, i.e., waterboarding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_interrogation_tec...
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horseshoecrab Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:24 PM
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24. I don't think so
How is Kennedy's speaking out against the veto actually enabling them?

horseshoecrab
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:29 PM
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25. Good point n/t
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:35 PM
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23. There are so many shameful acts that one more hardly counts anymore.
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horseshoecrab Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:41 PM
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28. The Torture President
It seems to really seal his place in history as the Torture President. What a legacy.

It pretty much breaks our implicit promise to those from other countries in this world and their "huddled masses yearning to breathe free" that we here in the US are something more, something better, a place where barbarity by our government isn't tolerated.

It's a damn shame and an awful milestone in the history of this country.

But I know what you're saying. There are just so many damned things piling up, one after the other. I can see it from that pov too, but this one just feels very different to me.

horseshoecrab
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tachyon Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:15 PM
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31. Huddled masses yearning to breathe free
sounds like a scene from Abu Ghraib.
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horseshoecrab Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:50 PM
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32. Sad to say
That's too true Tachyon.

:sigh:

horseshoecrab
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:51 PM
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33. Unfortunately, he's got a whole hit parade, doesn't he?
But good for Kennedy.
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