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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:51 AM
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80 year old women slugs cop over ticket
http://www.wesh.com/news/15525751/detail.html


TAVARES, Fla. -- An 80-year-old woman went down swinging when a police officer tried to arrest her.

A Tavares police officer pulled the woman over at the intersection of U.S. Highway 441 and Huffstetler Drive for an improper lane change.

Authorities said Thalia Logas refused to sign a ticket and punched the officer in the stomach and chest several times when he tried to place her under arrest.

The officer called for back up and a Lake County Sheriff's deputy arrived.

The two officers said they finally got the handcuffs on her, and she managed to wiggle out of them and threw them out the window of the police car.

"Obviously we want to make sure we handle somebody of that age with care," Jody Maltzman of the Tavares Police Department said.

"If it was my mom, I'd be wanting to have it out with that policeman," Tavares resident Ralph Smith said.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:53 AM
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1. Did they beat the crap out of her and tase her?
Go granny go.
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John Kerry VonErich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:29 AM
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20. Tell ya one thing...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 11:32 AM by John Kerry VonErich
None of us would be laughing if they did tase her, and it would cause a cry for justice or revenge (depending on how others word it). This was a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" for the officer. I feel for him on that. Give the cop some slack. The law knows no age, and she did get violent (reason for arrest). I am just glad no one, cop and especially the lady, got hurt.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:22 PM
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33. She refused to sign the ticket.
He began to arrest her and then she became violent. At least, that's the way I read it.
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John Kerry VonErich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:02 AM
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37. She hit a car
And was caught in the act.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:36 PM
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25. I guess they are taught to handle elderly citizens in a normal,safer...
manner and just taze the shit out of anyone else.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:45 PM
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31. Nope. Not after she yelled ...

Don't tase me, sonny!!!




:hide:
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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:29 PM
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34. It's that Grandma Gangsta influence out there, damn shame
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:56 AM
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2. The funny part is that the Officer had to call for backup.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:09 AM
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7. "Ooooh, I've fallen and I can't get up - Ooooh"
Sorry, that was supposed to be HER line.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:20 AM
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8. that's when I started laughing, reading the article


calling for backup.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:12 PM
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35. well in all fairness
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 11:13 PM by Skittles
he would not want to look like he was roughing up an old lady :o - the backup probably included a female officer
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:18 PM
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41. Imagine the dispatchers hearing this one
"21, requesting immediate backup. Subject is an out of control, frail 80 year old woman. Repeat - backup requested for combative and violent 80 year old woman."

LOL - I know a lot of cops and I can guarantee that this guy is taking some shit.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:02 AM
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3. well -- what can i say --
:rofl:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:04 AM
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4. So "Thalia" is not a pseudonym for "Zsa Zsa"?
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:46 AM
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11. I had to read to check and make sure that wasn't
my mom! :rofl:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:05 AM
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5. Grandma, is that you? n/t
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:06 AM
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6. HELP---HELP---HEADQUARTERS
send back up an 80 year old woman is kicking my ass, HELP, HELP!!! Bet this is one cop that will never hear the end of it. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:42 AM
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22. Reminds me of the line in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" about surviving "an old lady ass-kicking"!
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selador Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:32 PM
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29. actually, there are several reasons for backup
1) it is easier, generally speaking to get a noncompliant subject (regardless of age) into cuffs with more people present and hands on(backup). and by easier, i mean using less force on the cops part, and less risk of injury to the old lady. simply put, it's not just a safety for the officer issue, it's a safety for the arrestee issue. so, it's not that the cop was afraid of getting hurt, it's just a way to make it less likely that ANYBODY gets injured.

2) it's also a CYA thing, because an extra officer also means an extra set of eyes to provide an account of what happened, in case some sort of complaint was made.

it's really, as stated, a lose/lose proposition for the cop. no cop would want to arrest an 80 yr old lady. it CAN'T turn out well, and it could turn out badly.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:42 AM
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9. Must be one of them thar terraist.
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:43 AM
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10. I love it!
GO THALIA!!
:rofl:

I needed a good laugh!
Thanks!
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:55 AM
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12. winning hearts and minds - can't even do it right on their home turf.
.
.
.

USA is sorta FUBAR

Just my Canuk observation.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:06 AM
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13. She acted violently
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 11:29 AM by wuushew
and is a bad driver. I don't see why people are dumping on the cops in this story.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:13 AM
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16. I have to say
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 12:03 PM by Rosemary2205
They were NOT arresting her because of the traffic offense, or for being violent. She was arrested for refusing to sign her name. THEN she got violent.

I would too.


Edit - to add the NOT. (damn typing)
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:17 AM
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19. Well then she is stupid for doing that
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 11:18 AM by wuushew
no judge will be sympathetic to her plight now.

Also can't anyone see the obvious double standard here? The subtext of this post is that 80 year old women are meek and generally not a threat to anyone physically, but yet on the current GD page we have posts that say we can't attack McCain because of his age and or physical condition?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:41 PM
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30. Some places you don't have to sign for a ticket, it can just be mailed to you.
We had an incident like this in my small town. 80 yr old guy didn't pull over for cop, didn't hear siren, finally noticed lights and pulled over. Cop ticketed him for not pulling over fast enough and tried to get the guy to sign and take the ticket. Guy said no. Cop said yes you have to. No, I don't. Yes, you do. No, I don't. Finally: "take it or I'll tase you" (seriously). Guy took it and reported to police station and court what had happened. Turns out that no, he didn't need to take it, that it could have been mailed to him.

So, as with those traffic cameras that catch people running red lights, no, you may not need to sign it or take it in person. It can be mailed.

Regarding McCain. Of course you can attack him because of his physical condition, but not just because of his age.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:14 AM
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17. Some of us think our Elders deserve some respect and tolerance.
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I'm one of them.
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John Kerry VonErich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:36 AM
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21. Thus she wasn't tazed, peppersprayed, shot, beatened........
nt
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:16 AM
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18. It's a funny story, but I agree. The officer did the right thing. He kept her safety....
and age in mind and wanted to make sure he didn't hurt her.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:09 AM
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14. K&R for granny!! You go girl!!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:10 AM
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15. Ole Lady 1 Cop 0...I bet he is a sorry ass today...the boys teasing his ass for calling backup
Gatta be a wimpy cop
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:16 PM
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23. If she can't understand what signing a ticket means...
...she should probably lose her driver's license. Arrest is the alternative to signing a ticket.
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:33 PM
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24. Is cop bashing the "in" thing to do here?
The officer did everything in his power to not hurt her and did everything by the book. She's an idiot for not signing the ticket, and then resisting arrest. No sempathy from me.
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:34 PM
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26. Somehow I Don't Find This Amusing
If the woman was crazy enough to act up this way for a pullover and ticket, they had every right to arrest her. If she doesn't know how to behave, maybe she doesn't have the general judgment or rationality to be behind the wheel of a car, either. Now, considering her age, I'm sure they didn't actually want to hurt her physically in the course of the arrest, and the backup, etc., had everything to do with the kid glove treatment.

Why does anyone jump to the conclusion that the police did something wrong here?
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tachyon Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:42 PM
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27. Oh, you must not have gotten the memo when you joined: Cops are always the bad guys..
And they are the only ones who should be allowed to have guns.
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:48 PM
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36. I see this alot here, and its disturbing.
Why somebody would cheer on the person fighting an officer when he/she needs to be placed under arrest is beyond me.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:58 PM
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28. ... Officer .. responded to a traffic accident. When he arrived, he determined .. Logas ..
had improperly changed lanes, striking another car ... Snyder tried to give Logas a citation for improper lane change. After she refused seven times to sign the citation, he placed her under arrest ... Logas was .. charged with battery on a law enforcement officer, resisting arrest with violence and refusing to sign a traffic citation. She posted $7,250 bail ... Snyder was not hurt ... http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/orl-lbri...
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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:15 PM
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32. Mc Cane should hire her for Secret Service detail....
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:05 AM
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38. Somehow I fail to see the humour...
and am pleased the cop was prudent.
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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:47 AM
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39. I still do genuinely feel for that cop; it would be a tough situaion...
to deal with. Noone is denying that part.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:08 PM
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40. I am normally already armed for bear when a story like this
pops up. Ready to indict the cops, as it were.

After reviewing the facts, however, I must say that the police acted with the utmost decorum and compassion.

The woman was wrong.
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