Email received from repuke friend re: taxes Bush vs Clinton.

[crim son]

Are there any specific rebuttals you can think of? Specific as these numbers, I mean? Or are the numbers real? Snopes has no comment.
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Lisa-

This is interesting to compare the taxes. Not to say that the country couldn't use the extra money, but I know I like keeping more of what I earn.

Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008

Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500

Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500

Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000

Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250

When either Democratic candidate is elected, they both say that they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen.

[ProgressiveFool]

1. No need to refute it other than saying that it's misleading

It's misleading because it doesn't show the tax breaks above what one would these days consider a lower or middle class income. Those are the people who made out like bandits, while yes, we down here do pay a little less.

It's also pointless to use these numbers against either of the Democrats running, since they've only ever said they'd raise taxes on those making 200K or more a year, who aren't represented in these selected statistics.

Tell them to go up in the brackets a bit, and post some percentages, and see if they want to still use the same data. The point is not that taxes are lower under Bush than under Clinton; it's that they're fairer under Clinton than under Bush, and, as I said, these numbers are irrelevant, since the brackets shown here are not in danger of having their taxes raised.

[EOTE]

5. Not only that...

But there's the matter of the $30,000 of debt that each and every American citizen now owes that we didn't owe at the end of Clinton's administration. That money has to come from somewhere. And because of *'s war and our $600 checks, it comes out of every one of our asses.

So not only is the economy in the shitter. Not only are the bulk of us making less than we should be now, and in many cases less than we were making at the end of Clinton's administration. Not only do we have TRILLIONS of dollars in debt that we didn't have before, but we've now got a tax structure that greatly favors the wealthy who are not struggling now in the least. It's incredibly sick, but it's true. It's disgusting there are people out there still who laud shrub's economic policy. I used to think that bush would be as bad as reagan in terms of implementing shitty economic policy, but he's been far worse. Reaganomics can't hold a candle to bushonomics in terms of how devastating it's been to the country.

[spanone]

2. seen this. no adjustment for inflation.

[Johonny]

3. try looking at threads from week ago

this was pretty thoroughly trashed last week. I actually put the highlights of the thread on my myspace page since it was one of the better debunking threads I've read.

[truebrit71]

6. Any idea where they are...I have a co-worker that needs to have that meme debunked...

...thanks!

[Johonny]

7. When I get home from work

I'll dig it up

[truebrit71]

12. Thank you very much...

...greatly appreciated...

[crim son]

11. I found them.

Thanks... they had enough information for me to make a convincing argument that the email is crap. What a pleasure!

[walldude]

4. Now ask him/her about the amount of national debt and how

much they like making their kids and grandkids pay for their low taxes. Selfish, the lot of them, all they care about is how much less they are paying. Never mind the fact that their kids and grandkids are going to be paying through the nose so they can have that extra couple grand a year... Fact is if the Dems repeal any tax cuts they will start with Capitol Gains, and Inheritance tax, not with income tax.

[Richard Steele]

8. Ask your wingnut friend to make the same comparison with fuel and food prices. nm

[bulloney]

9. Your Repuke friend is from the "free lunch society."

Clinton could have cut taxes left and right like Bush has, but what would the budget deficits and national debt looked like?

Those who argue that Bush and his ilk are such great presidents because they cut our taxes are the same ones who expect a strong military, good roads and other public entities, but they don't have to pay their fair share for them.

[crim son]

10. Nah, he's just not much of a critical thinker.

He's also built himself up from having nothing more than a HS education, to being comfortably well-off, and a well known, well respected businessman here in town, and he thinks he owes his success to his conservative values. Anyhow, I've fired off a good response thanks to everybody's input!