Wiretapping- The Great Silence On THE* Salient Point (Memory Hole)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

House Leaves Surveillance Law to Expire

WASHINGTON — The House broke for a week’s recess Thursday without renewing terrorist surveillance authority demanded by President Bush, leading him to warn of risky intelligence gaps while Democrats accused him of reckless fear mongering.

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The main sticking point is a provision in the Senate bill that provides legal immunity for telecommunications companies that, at the Bush administration’s request, cooperated in providing private data after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Many House Democrats oppose that immunity.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/washington/15fisa.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1203082250-BGKNzdAc4EIL2IZ0BK0doA

VERSUS

Former CEO Says U.S. Punished Phone Firm

A former Qwest Communications International executive, appealing a conviction for insider trading, has alleged that the government withdrew opportunities for contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars after Qwest refused to participate in an unidentified National Security Agency program that the company thought might be illegal.

Former chief executive Joseph P. Nacchio, convicted in April of 19 counts of insider trading, said the NSA approached Qwest more than six months before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, according to court documents unsealed in Denver this week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/12/AR2007101202485.html?

Today's reporting versus yesterday's reporting. :grr:



*The salient point beside the wiretapping itself, of course.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

1. Burn a copy of the WaPo article to a disk.

It may disappear completely one day.

[EFerrari]

3. That's not a bad idea.

Or, even cut and paste into a Word file.

This whole time, we've been having the wrong argument. We know BushCo wasn't trying to track terrorists before 9/11. Richard Clarke couldn't even get a meeting.

Sometimes I thing this surveillance and torture business is to distract us and discourage us from watching the government. That's :tinfoilhat: -- it's probably just a collateral benefit.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

4. Tinfoilhattery?

Most certainly not.

There is a larger crime here. Who was spied on before 9-11? Who?

[EFerrari]

5. I meant, that's not the only benefit derived from torture

and surveillance. Remember, these felons are good at multi-tasking. That's partly why they are so dangerous.

Who was spied on before 9/11? Well, since many of us have learned how to decode these bastards' in the so called press, it would be good to go back to January 2001 and read the papers in chronological order. I don't think it would be too hard to figure out.

And perhaps, even before that to the campaign in 2000. Because first, they had to deprive Al Gore.

[Mr Rabble]

7. Thats the idea exactly. Its nothing new either.

Remember that the primary enemy of the government is the domestic population. Period.

[spanone]

2. sounds like bu$h* was blackmailing the telcos to go along with his crime

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

6. k

[Supersedeas]

8. and the Media, greed for the Telecom Advertising $$$, continues to ignore the truth about this

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

9. Totally absent from the narrative.

[bleever]

10. Nacchio had big govt. contracts lined up, and was counting

on those in his business decisions, but they evaporated when he wouldn't play ball on illegal surveillance.

The Feds turned around and used the setback to Qwest that ensued to bring him up on criminal charges.

[bluesmail]

11. none of this makes sense to me

twisted logic, Rumsfeldspeakesque

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

12. YOU

were
being
spied
on
before
9-11.

The
national
security
excuse
is
bullshit.