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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:36 PM
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We need a new word for evil.
I have posted many rants concerning republicans. Just to be told that all republicans are not to blame and that I should not use general terms.

I switched to using "conservative" and was told the same thing.

Is there an accepted term for the people who have used our government for a plaything?

The ones who put a buffoon and an arch-criminal in the white house.

The ones who think torture is a good thing.

The ones who think that exploiting third world peasant labor is preferable to giving an American a good job.

The people who work hard to make sure that the poor get poorer.

The ones who want to own every last thing in the world including its
people.

What do I call these people who walk hand in hand with ruin? The ones who love the pain of others? I have heard corporatist authoritarian. somehow that lacks punch. We need a word no more than three syllables to put the blame where it is due and define exactly who the real enemies of civilization are.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:38 PM
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1. Dittoheads.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:42 PM
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2. "Republican" is just fine.
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 05:43 PM by Kutjara
All the special pleading about there being "some good ones" doesn't wash. These people freely chose to join a party whose defining characteristics are greed, hypocrisy, and the trampling of human rights. They can leave the party at any time, with no penalties for doing so, yet they choose to remain. They are therefore reaffirming the values of the Republican Party every day. So "Republican" is a perfectly good proxy for "evil."
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:47 PM
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3. DubyaNutz? Works as both a noun and a phrase. n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:47 PM
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4. The Ownership Class ... the "have's and have-more's" ... the Base (al Queda).
Those who've bought the rule-makers and rule-enforcers and referees ... who treat human beings as a means to an end instead of an end in themselves. Those for whom Having is more important than Being. Traffickers in Human Labor ... for whom objectification is a World View.

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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:50 PM
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8. I like "the ownership class"
It is descriptive and it leaves out the poor who voted for them out of fear and ignorance. Just like their policies.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:59 PM
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9. "The love of money is the root of all evil."
It's not a new thing ... nor is the SEDUCTION. Lotteries, mythical meritocracies, "tax and spend" fear-mongering, and even "vital juices" ... all serve the Politics of Scarcity (in Scare City) instead of the Politics of Abundance. These are people for whom the very label "Commonwealth" is hypocritical.

We see it even on DU - embedded in the postures - either as apologetics or willful ignorance. For some, it's merely a choice of "flavors" ... decrying one 'flavor' of human objectification while embracing others.



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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:48 PM
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5. Evil is the unbending intention of manipulating everything into utter annihilation.
There are of course degrees involved, but that is the endpoint.

To what degree do you see Bush and friends as having taken up the torch?
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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:02 PM
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11. They are the enablers of a general policy
that creates two Americas. One a ruling class who have few restrictions on their activities. The other a working class who have no option other than work for the machine or be consumed by it.

The Bush administration may not have that in their mission statement but I believe they are working towards that goal.

It being evil is a matter of perspective depending on where you would end up in such a world.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:05 PM
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12. To cause suffering is a part of evil. To be at the top of such a scheme is to cause suffering
on an enormous scale.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:50 PM
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6. John McCain
that'll do.
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:50 PM
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7. Call them what they are;
Brownshirts.

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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:01 PM
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10. The word is Psychopath or, more accurately, a Pathocracy
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 06:04 PM by Wiley50
READ THIS:

http://uspolitics.tribe.net/thread/abb2282c-badb-464e-a08f-5bc8e63b1fd9

snip

One of the main factors to consider in terms of how a society can be taken over by a group of pathological deviants is that the only limitation is that of the participation of susceptible individuals within that given society. Łobaczewski gives an average figure for the most active deviants of approximately 6% of a given population. Of course, this figure will vary from country to country depending on many variables. Western society has a broad selection of susceptible individuals.

The essential psychopath is at the center of the web. The other psychopathies and characteropathies described by Łobaczewski and others form the first tier of the Pathological Control System and it should be noted that they are far more numerous than the essential psychopaths. So, this group is about 6% of a given population. (1% essential psychopath and up to 5% other psychopathies and characteropathies.)

The next tier of such a system is composed of individuals who were born normal, but are either already warped by long-term exposure to psychopathic material via familial or social influences, or who, through psychic weakness have chosen to meet the demands of psychopathy for their own selfish ends. Numerically, according to Łobaczewski, this group is about 12% of a given population under normal conditions. It is difficult, as Łobaczewski points out, to draw a distinct boundary between these latter types and the genetic deviants without the input of genuine, non-psychopathic, science. At this point, the distinctions can only be descriptive.

So it is that approximately 18% of any given population is active in the creation and imposition of a Pathocracy (or the attempt to create and impose same). The 6% group constitute the Pathocratic nobility and the 12% group forms the new bourgeoisie, whose economic situation is the most advantageous.

Once set up, the elitist psychopathic system corrodes the entire social organism, wasting its skills and power. Once a Pathocracy has been established, it follows a certain course and has certain "attractive" powers. In a Pathocracy, the socioeconomic system arises from the social structure which is created by the system of political power, which is a product of the particular elitist world view of pathological deviants. Thus it is that a Pathocracy is more a macrosocial disease process created by human pathogens, and it can come to affect an entire nation to a degree that is equivalent to a cancer metastasizing. And just as the process of cancer in a body follows a characteristic pathodynamic process, so does the macrosocial disease of Pathocracy.
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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:12 PM
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14. Thank-you for that, it was very enlightening.
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 06:19 PM by angrycarpenter
It is like the schoolyard bully given the power to dunk millions of heads in the toilet.

I am in awe of anyone who can type 500 words without effort. Typing is such a horrible tedious chore to me.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:11 PM
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20. I still have to read the link, but WOW
This is one of the reasons I love DU - especially good threads and informed people...I have learned alot from fellow posters, beause you cite sources (which I suck at, I'll admit...never was much for research papers, I like expository essays, myself! lol)on my way to read the link...but so far what you've relayed is big stuff.

This informaion is really relevant, except if the Bush admin would ever use an insanity plea to get out of War Crimes!

I can see the unraveling in our society, it does infect, how else do you control so many with fear and befuddle even more with smoke & mirrors...never mind those in congress or other branches of power that think this is the "way things work" and end up being warped as well just by being in the fray... tin hat anyone? :tinfoilhat:

god, we need a President Dave! ...regular everyday man who still hasn't had his brain eaten by bushzombies!:yoiks:
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:48 PM
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22. I've been reading that link for a couple of days and still haven't finished it
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 08:57 PM by Wiley50
There's just so much to absorb starting with the notion that psychopaths, even as babies, can recognize

other psychopaths even in crowds and gravitate towards them.

Then the idea that a group of elite psychopaths, banded together, can take over a company or a country

and infect it just like a cancer; drawing other primary and secondary psychopaths into a hierarchy of

pathological deviants and changing the rules of the game of the social order itself,a Pathocracy, if you will.

This is exactly what has happened to our country.

Heaven Help Us!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:05 PM
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13. Criminals?
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:13 PM
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15. bush already has enough meanings...how about "cheney"...?
:shrug:
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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:29 PM
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16. Cheney is so darkly evil that
I am ashamed of how easily he has ruined the government and the military. Just for a dumptruck load of money.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:29 PM
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17. Got it...
There is light and dark in all of us. What makes us who we are depends on the choices we make in respect to the light or the dark.

Therefore actions/choices determine whether or not a person could be considered good or evil.

A person who does evil things is an EVIL DOER
:rofl:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:31 PM
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18. Cheneocons
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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:35 PM
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19. We have a winner
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 06:42 PM by angrycarpenter
I move that "Cheneocons" be the official term for the destroyers of our democracy. Second?
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lies Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:13 PM
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21. how about
Straussian as in Leo Strauss, father of the neo-cons...
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 09:18 PM
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23. Psy - cho - path
There you go, three syllables.
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