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KatyaR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:16 PM
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Rice Was ‘Uninterested In Advising The President’ Before 9/11,
Wanted To Be His ‘Closest Confidante’

Tomorrow, New York Times reporter Philip Shenon will release his book The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation, revealing “failure at the highest levels of the United States government.”

Shenon singles out Condoleezza Rice as inept, more interested in being President Bush’s buddy than securing the nation. Newsweek editor Evan Thomas writes a preview of the book:

The official ineptitude uncovered by the commission is shocking. Dubbed “Kinda-Lies-a-Lot” by the Jersey Girls, Ms. Rice comes across as almost clueless about the terrorist threat. “Whatever her job title, Rice seemed uninterested in actually advising the president,” Mr. Shenon writes. “Instead, she wanted to be his closest confidante — specifically on foreign policy — and to simply translate his words into action.”

And then there's Ashcroft:

Another particularly bumbling figure in Shenon’s book is John Ashcroft. On July 17, 2001, the then-Attorney General “received the same CIA briefing about an imminent al-Qaida strike on an American target.” While Rice was interested in cozying up to Bush, Ashcroft was focused on protecting gun owners:

Attorney General John Ashcroft appears more interested in protecting gun owners from government intrusion than in stopping terrorism, and dismissively tells Pickard that he doesn’t want to hear any more about threats of attacks.

How can people not GET how incompetent these people are? I just don't understand.

Original NYT article - Tragicomic Tale of the 9/11 Report
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:23 PM
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1. recommend #4! who'll....
put it on the greatest page? :patriot:
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:38 PM
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2. Me!
:)
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:02 PM
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3. incompetent ? or stupid like a fox ?
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:27 PM
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15. Fantastic graphic...
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:14 PM
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29. that's frightening
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:13 PM
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4. The story is finally starting to be told
Bush ordered Condi and the rest of his staff not to do anything about terrorism and not to bother him about it until a simple solution that was not actually possible could be reached. "I'm tired of swatting at flies" Bush said.

Bush's approach to terrorism was a combination of all his worst qualities. He gave orders with no advice or forethought, based only on his emotional responses to issues. He treasured his ignorance. He punished people who tried to do the right thing instead of following his orders. He punished people who questioned him. Bush's idiocy got 3,000 people killed.

Nothing about what happened came out, save a little noticed article in the Washington a few months after 9/11. Bush was able to win back the presidency based on his ability to fight terrorism.

It was obvious that the 9/11 Commission covered up for Bush. Finally, the truth is coming out.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:30 PM
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5. Ms Rice proved how incompetent she is many times over
yet the Dems voted overwhelmingly for her to be Sec. of State
where she has been mostly useless & incomptent, as well.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:54 PM
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26. And that's bad for us how?
She's not just incompetent, she's fucking evil, just like George W. Bush.

Incompetence is the best quality of both of those people, because that incompetence prevents them from successfully realizing their truly evil aspirations.

So yeah, making her Secretary of State sucks, but it also ensures that the damage done will be random and hopefully salvageable. Put Richard Perle in the same position, and we'd all be radioactive isotopes by now.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:48 PM
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17. Getting Bush reelected does seem to have one of been the primary purposes of the 9/11 Commision
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 11:49 PM by leveymg
That, and pacifying the public, and covering up the involvement of the CIA in running al-Qaeda in and out of the U.S. as part of an illegal domestic operation.

It certainly was Phil Zelikow's. No doubt, of his colleague, Condi Rice, as well.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 07:29 PM
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41. His idiocy now has a body count
of about a million and counting.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:49 PM
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6. i can't wait to read this book! n/t, k 'n r.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:59 PM
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7. Ashcroft didn't want to hear about threats
But he did stop flying commercial flights on July 26, 2001. No particular reason. The AG ought to travel in chartered style. You know.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:22 PM
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30. what was it about commercial airflights...hmmmm...
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:05 PM
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8. Well she did slip up and refer to him as "My husband" one time.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:22 AM
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24. She was just one of a number of single women who had huge crushes
on him, and I'm sure he worked his "charm offensive" on her with that swagger and that cutesy little cowboy drawl (harried miers and karen hughes come to mind). Wonder what kind of nickname he gave her? Monica, maybe?

:puke:

I have LONG suspected that contradicta has spent the last eight years being little else BUT dubya's Monica.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:13 PM
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9. All right. You've covered your ass, now.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:17 PM
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10. Two questions. (maybe four)
Are they stupid and inept? Is McCain as just as stupid and inept?

Or

Was it all deliberate and does McCain follow this plan? Or is he stupid and insane?
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:22 PM
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11. When US citizens haves been elected to the highest postions
of the Government there is absolutely no room for stupidity or ineptitude.

Their actions or lack of actions must be considered Treason. They willfully and intentionally put the country at risk to push their party politics.

All of them must be prosecuted for Treason.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:36 PM
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13. I understand your response that the current dicks must be impeached,
and to my mind, hung.

My question is whether McCain is stupid, insane or in on the scheme?
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:26 AM
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18. I think McCain is insane and suffering from PTSD. He has gotten
worse over the last several years.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:39 PM
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14. The word "treason" brings to my mind a firing squad.
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 09:40 PM by troubleinwinter
Where's Ollie North?

Here, Ollie, Ollie.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:35 AM
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19. Well if the Constitution defines the penalty as such then those
who commit the highest of high crimes should suffer the penalities.

The Rosenbergs suffered hanging in the 50's for lesser offenses than what this bunch of Treasonous Traitors have done.

Of course I just watched the movie Breach about the FBI Traitor Robert Hanssen who committed Espionage and sold our top government secrets to the Soviets....he spied for 22 years and got a lot of people killed and he only got life for pleading guilty to 15 counts of espionage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 05:11 PM
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37. Actually, they were fried.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 07:27 PM
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40. I stand corrected.. Thanks.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:28 PM
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31. And the worst thing is that
Congress could have been wiped out if United 93 had reached its target and knocked down the dome of the Capitol.

Bush-Rumsfeld-Cheney just sat there and did nothing as two airliners zeroed in on Washington.

The Dems (and non-complicit Repubs) should be screaming blue murder to get Bush-Cheney out of power for their own safety.
Not to mention the anthrax mailer is still running around freely.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:23 PM
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12. so Instead of giving * the "Bin Laden Determined to attack in US" warning
she gave him this
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:31 PM
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16. "... translate his words into action”??
Well, that explains a lot. :eyes: The action that comes to mind most often is retching until I puke up my small instestine. Tough job.

:puke:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 06:21 AM
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20. almost as bad as Condi and Ashcroft was (is) the MSM.
NOT ONCE did they ask the hard question - where were Condi and Ashcroft?
NOT ONCE did they investigate the run up to 9/11
NOT ONCE did they spend serious time with Richard Clarke, Even AFTER Clarke was making noise about the problems in the White House and the threats from outside.

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 06:26 AM
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21. Yes, the corporate media has tragically failed America
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 06:27 AM by SpiralHawk
and been on Bended Knee to obfuscate or ignore the important, while inflating the irrelevant or trivial.

America is going to have to survive without the corporate media, for it acts now only as a cancer on the body politic.

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 01:51 AM
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42. if only that cute girl
was showing her breasts pointed forward to the camera, would the media film her while reading the cue cards.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 06:50 AM
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22. Appropriate videos for this
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:17 AM
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23. Shocked! Shocked I say.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:48 PM
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25. July 17, 2001. How interesting.
Ashcroft was briefed that day.

Look what showed up in the news ten days later:
____________________
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main...

Ashcroft Flying High
Attorney General Travels By Private Jet At Taxpayer Expense

WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.
____________________

Now, I wonder what sort of "threat assessment" that was?
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:58 PM
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27. The guy who warned about "remote control planes" in July 2001
...Hatfield felt that other information damaging to the Bushes must lurk in the pages of the book, hidden between the lines, things that would become evident when a missing piece surfaced. An organization like the Bush machine with so much illegal activity in its history has any number of potential scandals that could emerge at any time. Damage control is an ongoing part of their operations. To someone who knew the facts, those scandals must stick out of the text of Fortunate Son like so many sore thumbs. Hatfield thought that must have been why the Bush machine took such a personal interest in keeping the book off the shelves. And time only seems to enhance the credibility of the theory.

Since Hatfield's death, I have often wondered what those other hidden scandals were. We may be on the verge of finding out some big ones.

Linda Starr has this to add, "I'd like to remind everyone how vilified Jim Hatfield was by the Bush Machine and how often Jim has been completely correct about Dumbyass and company. I am also proud to once again say that Jim Hatfield was my friend and deserves vindication for his hard work on Bush. They destroyed him as surely as if they murdered him. As my daddy always said, even a chicken can eventually peck you to death. The Bush Machine pecked Jim Hatfield to death." ...


For the whole article, go to Online Journal.



http://www.davidcogswell.com/Political/HatfieldPredicti...
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:47 PM
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28. Not incompetent at all
"Qui Bono?"

They love to play stupid and incompetent- they'd never get away with things like Katrina by saying "This is the policy- deal with it!" although the results are definitely the same.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:29 PM
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32. They wanted 9-11 to happen
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 04:06 PM
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33. Sad, but true...
I don't know how this gang keeps out of prison!
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 04:19 PM
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34. Condi was too busy teaching the Chimp how to use a knife and fork
to stop speaking with his mouth full of food, and to stop using the toilet as his drinking hole. She even failed at those tasks.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 05:04 PM
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35. Wasn't Ashcroft also going after brothels in New Orleans?
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 05:15 PM
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38. Until he ran into David Vitter in one.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 05:06 PM
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36. She was rewarded for her incompetence and indifference
with a promotion too. She should be investigated. But then that whole criminal cabal should be from the top down.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 05:33 PM
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39. Recommended
please help this get to the top of Greatest Page.
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