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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:09 PM Original message |
Why the Dems Won’t Impeach Bush: Noam Chomsky Predicted 2008 Back in 1973 |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. Never happen |
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alllyingwhores (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. Agreed...it will never happen because of a little thing called ELECTION FRAUD! |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's the Kick the Dog syndrome. Even people who DESPISED Nixon felt the |
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frog92969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. We DO need that shit. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. The purpose of impeachment is ONLY to remove someone from office. |
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frog92969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. I know what impeachment is |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
34. Well, sorry, but I have. |
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frog92969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I find your optimism uplifting, and hope I'm wrong. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. When Nixon was at the height of his hideousness, no one thought it could EVER get worse. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 06:02 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. "is that we CAN survive" Tell that to the dead |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 07:15 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. There are always innocent victims, and there always WILL BE innocent victims. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #42 |
64. And every fucking time they came back they were stronger than before. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Well, it always seems worse when you're in the middle of it. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
90. Which longer view? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #90 |
104. And so will "Earth" one day. Life will go on, assuming we can find |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
89. This is the worst argument yet |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #89 |
121. Well, you can think that if you'd like, and I can, in turn, think that your glass |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. There is no "sympathy backlash" to fear. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:49 AM Response to Reply #20 |
39. I'm not "fearing fear." If Saddam on the goddamn GALLOWS can engender sympathy, |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 06:20 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Red herrings, false analogy and appeal to fear, fallacies galore |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. You keep believing that if it helps you. It won't happen, though. Not this time. NT |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Doubleclick! |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 06:39 AM Response to Reply #39 |
53. If impeachment is merely a "finger wag"... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 07:27 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. If you read what I wrote, you'll figure it out. |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I figured out that you fear a "backlash." |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I don't fear it, any more than I 'fear' sunrise or sunset. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #58 |
91. Additionally... |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #91 |
112. Well, Clinton really didn't get sympathy. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 08:52 AM Response to Reply #112 |
115. Yes! |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Was there a sympathy backlash for Charles Manson when he |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #65 |
79. No offense, but that's an absurd stretch. ABSURD. Those are crummy examples. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. That's because he never went to trial. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. See, we're back to my point. All impeachment does is REMOVE the politician from office. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
66. Maybe Saddam got sympathy becacuse he went to trial in a |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I am not interested in the why. The fact is that the piling on and the death sentence, even amongst |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Well, I do not like. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. I think you're shopping a rather over-involved conspiracy theory, actually. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. I'm sure the Iraqis thought the same thing when Saddam was in power. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. We've been burned by bad governance. I think we'll try real hard |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. This is not mere incompetance. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Well, my mileage varies. They aren't competent. They're blatant thieves and they |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. Anybody who has lived through 8 years of Bush and still thinks he's "just stupid" is deluded. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. Well, thanks for those kind words. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. The truth hurts, doesn't it? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Well, it wasn't the truth. I figured I'd be pleasant as opposed to using |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #108 |
119. You have never been pleasant in your life, so don't hold in now... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Awww, I don't HAVE a "corporate master" but thanks SO MUCH for caring! |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. Then what do you call HRC? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Are you always this immature? Why, I believe you ARE!!! |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:41 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. This is what psychologists call 'projection'. You project your faults on someone else. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Yes, that is precisely what you are doing. Good call, there, Sigmund!!! NT |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #125 |
126. I see you're getting desperate at trying to outsmart me. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Oh, MY!!! |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Can you BE any lamer? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. ,,, |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. Yes. You. Can! |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. By their supporters we shall know them.... nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. Deleted message |
DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:48 AM Response to Reply #131 |
133. Does that mean your candidate is as annoying as you? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #76 |
96. This response sums your points quite well, but you are still wrong. nt |
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warren pease (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #20 |
40. The lethality of lame ducks and impeachment as self defense |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 06:34 AM Response to Reply #40 |
52. It may be that such a sinister explanation is unnecessary |
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alllyingwhores (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. "Congress has the upper hand now" are you fucking joking? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. No. I am not "fucking joking." But way to foster discussion there, professor! NT |
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ladywnch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
33. once impeached and removed from office there CAN be criminal trial |
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ladywnch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #9 |
35. And after Nixon resigned the Dems retook the house and senate |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:09 AM Response to Reply #9 |
45. You are not looking at the whole picture. Impeachment and the subsequent trial |
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rambler_american (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 04:57 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Well said! |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
78. I AM looking at the whole picture, and I am stating that you have a better chance |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #78 |
88. Yeah right |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. Well, we've never had a black or female president either. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Deleted message |
MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Your subject line is a personal insult and is not appreciated. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #101 |
110. While... |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #101 |
111. I perceived contempt of the constitution |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #111 |
117. Oh, I do think they DESERVE it. Completely. Look at my little photo |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #9 |
71. Oh gods |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Well, you may think that, but it ain't gonna happen. No matter how hard you wish for it. NT |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. Well then |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. Don't shoot the messenger. It's not going to happen, and to rile people up with |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #95 |
107. Gee |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
92. absolutely wrong. The purpose of impeachment is to define the role |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. No, it isn't. That was dramatic, but it wasn't true. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #9 |
113. Congress has the upper hand now, Bush is hamstrung and a lame duck. He is in a box. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. Why do you support the weaklings, then? Why do you bother if they're so awful? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. Nixon was a lie, Ford was a lie, Bush is a lie --- and two corporate parties are lies --- |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
63. BULLSHIT |
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End Of The Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #63 |
109. Bravo! |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
94. The only reason you object to impeachment, is because you want SHillary to have all the powers |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. K&R |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Me neither, but I was born in 1959, grew up knowing Nixon was a very naughty man. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I'm in my 40's as well. Maybe that is why I never have... |
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R_M (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
5. kick |
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frog92969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. K&R - Good find! |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
10. Kicked and recommended. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
11. Thanks K&R n/t |
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dmr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
12. Great find, it led me to this Robert Parry article |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. I Suspect Bush Jr. Has Destroyed Forever the Reverence for the President! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
14. We are beyond what you expect |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Yep, that is why they want to vilify them |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Actually the outlook I just gave you is one from an immigrant |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
15. We can learn from CREEP and 1972 since the same tactics are being used now. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
68. And Buchanan is still doing it - witness the way he gleefully leaped |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
18. Americans HAVE made their will crystal clear. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. The solution is to go beyond hammering. The solution is to vote them out of office and replace them. |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Primary challenges are critical. Starting with Pelosi right now. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Meanwhile, the DLC is raising money to support new "blue dog" candidates -- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Look around: the candidates are mainly connected to the elite -- |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
105. But with the current crop of Democratic candidates, you will never get election reform. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. Right--!! In fact, post election, Pelosi REPEATS that msg --- anti-war/anti-Iraq . . . |
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Independent_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
97. Thanks for posting this pat_k! |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 03:33 AM Response to Reply #97 |
114. And thank you for fighting. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
103. I want to recommend your post! |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
22. Thanks for this. I've heard him speak many times, but caught him again on CSPAN last night |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
26. Nixon passes to Bush . . . that's all --- |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
31. K&R n/t |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
37. Thanks for link to Chomsky article |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
38. An excellent piece of reporting! Thank you for putting this together. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
41. A thought about exective accountability. When we elect "godlike" |
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mojowork_n (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 01:54 AM Response to Original message |
43. Between then and now, in 1988 Chomsky & Edward Herman wrote |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:12 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Another addition to the list of people who think, Thanks. n/t |
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desertflamingo (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
44. K & R!!! |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 03:11 AM Response to Original message |
46. Welcome to my buddy list. K & R. n/t |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 05:28 AM Response to Original message |
49. the directors of Murder Inc. were also cheating on their income tax. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
60. America is broken and needs to get its priorities straight. |
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enough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
61. Chomsky's prescience on many issues has been impressive. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
62. Gods... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
67. The GOP so poisoned the Impeachment process, the Dem leaders don't want to go down that road |
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MsMagnificent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
72. Needs wider dissemination |
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flasoapbox (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
74. Great post |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
75. This country continues on it's path to tyranny. The only hope we have is that someone will become |
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Gonnuts (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
86. That and more ... |
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bluescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
116. Kick |
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