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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:35 PM
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Atlanta Journal expands on the story about bigdog and the Mayor
Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Bill Clinton and the Homer Simpson Effect (w. Updates)


Obama’s statements this morning, on Good Morning America, courtesy of Talking Points Memo:




Some observations:

- Remember, in late October, prior to a Democratic candidates debate, when Obama told the New York Times that he would criticize Senator Clinton during the debate? By the time the debate happened, Obama could just sit back and let the other candidates and the debate moderators do his job for him. (That was the debate in which Clinton flubbed the illegal immigrant drivers licenses question, and then played the gender card to very mixed reviews afterward; the beginning of the end of the “inevitable candidate” spin.)

I think a similar dynamic will now set into place here. Now that Obama has said he’ll counter Bill Clinton’s next outbursts directly, he’ll have to take a number behind all the others cutting into line to get there first.

- The Homer Simpson effect: Twice now, right before the New Hampshire primary, and right before the Nevada caucuses, Bill Clinton showed anger in front of the TV cameras. I’m beginning to think that it was staged - feigned anger - in both cases. Yes, it hurts Bill’s credibility with significant parts of the electorate, but he’s not on the ballot. It also generates sympathy for Senator Clinton, much in the way that cartoon character Homer Simpson’s bumbling moments cause viewers to empathize and root for his wife, Marge who in addition to having to deal with all her struggles, has to deal with the problems generated by hubbie. I think a lot of people - with similar grumpy old men in their orbit - can relate to that.

- Will Obama’s statements reign Bill in? If they do, Obama racks up some leadership points. But I doubt it. Can Bill help himself, really, when the TV cameras are turned on? He’s obviously enjoying being back in the game and the limelight. But now the scrutiny will increase on the former president’s every word, and he may not be able to get away with as much from here on out without generating a backlash against his candidate. It should be a fascinating week ahead to watch in South Carolina.

Update: That didn’t take long! This morning (from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution):

With former President Bill Clinton standing not 20 feet in front of her, Atlanta mayor Shirley Franklin took what appeared to be a political shot at the former president’s comments about Barack Obama’s candidacy.

Speaking at the 40th annual MLK commemorative service at Ebenezer Baptist Church, Franklin said the country is on the “cusp of turning the impossible into reality. Yes this is reality, not fantasy or fairy tales.”

Clinton, in supporting his wife Hillary’s bid for the Democratic nomination, recently took heat for using the term “fairy tale” to describe Obama’s depiction of his stance on the war.

Franklin has endorsed Obama, who spoke from the same pulpit at Ebenezer on Sunday.

Today, after Franklin’s remarks, the crowd of more than 2000 rose to its feet — except for Bill Clinton, who sat in his front pew seat and clapped politely.

Clinton later addressed the audience, saying, “Mayor Franklin already took care of the political stuff. I wouldn’t have said it quite the way she did but she got it all out there.”

Five seats to Clinton’s left sat another former Arkansas govenor, Republican Mike Huckabee, also seeking his party’s nomination as president. He stood at the end of Franklin’s remarks…

You know it’s a new century when Mike Huckabee joins a standing ovation at Ebenezer Baptist Church and Bill Clinton doesn’t. (Or as Homer would say, “Doh!”)

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:37 PM
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1. what a shame that she would attempt to divide the audience and throw an insult
to a president who has fought for civil rights his entire political career. What a cheap shot Obama.
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:39 PM
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3. YOU are following me around
It wasn't Obama who said this it was the MAYOR...Reading comprehension
Stop repeating your patroness Taylor Marsh talking points
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:40 PM
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5. It makes me so sad.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:49 PM
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12. me too
A day for uniting. And instead Obama and his cohorts use it to divide.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:39 PM
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2. That's AL Girodano's blog not the AJC.
But then you were never a stickler for honesty.
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:40 PM
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4. He links to the journal
follow the links please it is on his blog

And you and YOUR patroness Taylor Marsh are the ones that aren't sticklers for honesty
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:42 PM
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6. So then why not link directly to the AJC...
seeing as how that was the subject of your OP?

Sid
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:44 PM
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7. Sorry I tried
I couldn't get it to post right, so that is why I linked ruralvotes....their link works...I will try to do better next time.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:45 PM
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9. So link to the AJC then as you headline stated.
You can still put in Giordano's blog as a thread just label it properly.

That is unless your intention was dishonest from the start.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:46 PM
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:47 PM
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11. and all of your taste is in your mouth
what of it???
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:53 PM
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14. Trying to censor you, eh?
Not cool.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:59 PM
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17. no one is trying to sensor anyone, Zidzi
just trying to invoke some common sense.

it's the moderator's job to "censor", as you call it.

I see by your comments below, you are all aboard the non-issue train. That's your business.

I object to the hyping of this crap. That's my business.

I reserve every right to comment on what I see as purposeful division, and furthering of slurs.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:01 PM
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18. It's all an issue when it comes
to the clintons..they've made it so.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:50 PM
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13. Rec'd! Fascinating!
What's hilary gonna do if she swarms her way in the white house? Will bill have a full time job trying to take the heat off hilary?


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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:53 PM
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15. It's all wrong. Attacking Bill Clinton at an MLK memorial. Very, very sad.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:58 PM
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16. Isn't there a limitation of how many times you can spread this lie
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 01:58 PM by bigtree
the LIE that Bill Clinton called the Obama candidacy a "fairy tale?"

This is some hatchet job *you're doing with these two posts, gaiilonfong. Does the truth matter to you, at all?
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