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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:33 PM
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Fuck Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan represents all of the worst elements of the American political experience of the last 50 years. All of them. He was, and always will be, nothing but a steaming hot pile of filthy hyena puke.

Intellectually, Reagan gave chimpy a run for his money. He was vacuous. He was shallow. He was incurious. He was a puppet and a door stop for a group of sick ideologues who really ran the country. He was a shitty actor and foolish tool.

Ideologically, he was a hater and an imperialist and far-right loony-tune. He hated the poor. He hated gays. He hated leftists. He hated communists - and he was pretty sure you were one if you disagreed with him. He hated and he hated and he hated. Just ask his own kids. He hated them and himself and his ex-wife. Ronald Reagan was a twisted unrepentant closed-minded shit-bag hate monger. And that's just for starters.

The foreign policy of Ronald Reagan did more to impoverish and kill the poor and helpless humans of the world than any world leader before or since - with the possible exception of our current chimpking. Reagan just didn't give a shit. He was going to defeat communism (which was already falling of it's own weight) and he didn't care how many children were burned alive or how many people starved to death on the way. Let em die. Reagan was a fucking asshole.

On Reagan's watch the military budget of the U.S. grew to the proportions of a heaping pile of 10,000 week-old dead and bloated Blue Whales. And it stunk just as bad. The practice of rewarding incompetent cronies with gigantic useless contracts for unneeded military hardware was elevated to art form under Reagan. Reagan's legendary megalomania, hubris and abject ignorance led him to believe the tales of any crackpot who managed to slither past the goons who comprised his inner circle. Star-wars missiles, atomic shields, space-age death rays. You name it - that dumb piece of shit would fall for it - and blow billions of your tax dollars on it.

And on the domestic front - holy shit the domestic front. Ronald Reagan was a force for the rampaging evil of anti-human destructiveness. He never met a social program he didn't scorn. He never met an American in need he didn't shit directly upon. His response to the AIDS epidemic is one of the most sickening cold-blooded expressions of pure murderous political evil in the history of the earth. Genghis Khan could only dream of such depravity and indifference to human suffering. There is so much more, but, hell, if you don't already know about this shit, then go read a fucking book or two.

Then there was Iran-Contra - the infamous orgy of unfettered criminality at the heart of the Reagan legacy. Again, look it up. Rogues, liars, crooks, murderers and ignorant heartless scum surrounded Reagan at all times. Alli Babba would've been shamed. But Ronald Reagan was shameless.

Oh, did I mention The War on Drugs and it's ballooning of the prison/criminal industrial complex and the rise of brainless goon-like authoritarianism? Or the destruction of the modern labor movement including the cowardly firing of the Air Traffic Controllers? Or the beginnings of the current trend of packing the Judiciary with corrupt freakish pseudo-fascist stoolies? Or the repugnant rapes of Lebanon and Grenada? Or the dim-witted goofball junk science that came to known as "Reaganomics?" Or grant rigging at the Department of Housing and Urban Development? Or James Watt and the whole-hearted attempt to destroy the earth and all it's inhabitants at the expense of greed mongers and corporate whores? Or the largest white collar theft in the history of planet Earth - the Savings and Loan Bailout? And on and on and on and on.

I really don't have time for this shit. So let me conclude,

Ronald Reagan will forever be remembered as one of the most idiotic, vile, worthless leaders of any any nation in any era. He presently occupies a special place in Hell beside Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot. And I promise you, they all think he's an idiot too. Fuck Ronald Reagan. And then fuck him again.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:36 PM
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1. The only way he was able to live with himself was to forget everything.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:36 PM
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3. Yes, we know. Thanks. n/t
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:38 PM
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8. Karma. nt
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:32 AM
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178. Yes. Please don't cuss.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:21 AM
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191. Huh?
Sorry didn't get it, but what the fuck. :shrug:
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:41 PM
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306. How dare you..
talk of St. Ronald McDonald Raygun like that and speak the whole truth and nothing but....but don't you just love those gowns Nancy wore? (eyes rolling as I puke)...
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:36 PM
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2. The Second worst President Ever.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:48 PM
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14. who's the first worst?
great googly moogly, don't even try to say that Chimpy is worse than St. Ronnie the Asshole.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:00 PM
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21. Yes I'd have to go with Chimpy, because he is less of a Puppet
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:56 PM
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68. I'd still go with Raygun
There wouldn't BE a Chimpy were it not for Raygun. All the shit we're experiencing now is just the end result of what Raygun's handlers put in place.
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rockybelt Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:02 PM
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74. Next to the shrub
ronnie damned near has a halo. And I hate ronnie's ass....even now!!! In my mind i dance on his grave.
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:10 PM
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96. two sides of the same coin

bush's brain being surgically replaced during VP Bush's time in the Reagan white house :)
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:37 AM
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160. This all sounds like a contest between someone with an addled brain and a brain-dead loony.
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 07:38 AM by Seabiscuit
Which is more dangerous?

I'd have to go with the Herr Addled himself: Shrub.
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:37 AM
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150. Who's the worst?
Cheney?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:13 PM
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369. I'd say shrub is worse
mainly because it's the same evil bastards that ray-gun had in his admin.

But they just got MORE EVIL!!!


cheney, rummy, bolton, baker, etc. etc.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:32 AM
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194. Let's examine Ronnie the Raygun's contributions to our great country:
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 09:43 AM by Raster

(1) The beginning of rampant homelessness;
(2) The crack cocaine epidemic AND "Just Say No;"
(3) The groundwork for media deregulation and consolidation;
(4) Wholesale deregulation of all critical national infrastructure;
(5) The Iran/Contra Affair;
(6) "Morning in America" which has turned out to be "Mourning in America;"
(7) Lee Atwater, Roger Ailles and KKKarl Rove;
(8) The Savings and Loan Crisis;
(9) The stock market crash of 1987 "Black Monday;"
(11) Sandra Day O'Connor and Anton "Italian Inquisition" Scalia;
(12) Reagonomics and "trickle down" economics
(13) The invasion of Grenada;
(14) The AIDS/HIV crisis;
(15) Strategic Defense Initiative ("Star Wars");
(16) The HUD Scandal;

And the list just goes on and on.

The Great Communicator: Communicating greed, arrogance, cronyism and bad hair dye to everyone! Roast in hell!

Wake up America! :kick:

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:06 AM
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216. I'm gonna tell you why Reagan is 1000 times worse than Bush
Because if Reagan was never in the White House we would have never had the mess we had today.

You find it odd that so many ex Reaganites are part of the Chimp regime? That's not a co-incidence, those people like Cheney & Rumsfeld, worked to help get Bush in position to run for office. Bush is merely the stooge to bring back the so-called glorious Reagan Years.

After Reagan left office and Bush lost his second term. The Reaganites needed a stooge in the White House to help undo the damage of the Clinton administration and finish what Reagan started. The Reaganites needed someone with instant name recognition that would help conjur up the so-called 'glory' days of the Reagan years. Only one problem - none of the 4 Reagan children were capable of that job. Maureen & Patty always were known for their spats with the family, Ron Jr always had whispers about his personal life and Michael - well he was a loop job.

So the next thing they looked at was the Bush family. Mind you, they didn't need a career politician. They just needed someone who would be happy enough for the role of president and willing to do what they told him to do. This person was really nothing more than a puppet for the old Regan administration. Probably the only Bush most capable of the position was Jeb. He was never much of a problem child and led a somewhat stable life. But the repukes knew they would need to have 2 large electorial states prime for the pickings and figured Texas would be that 2nd state. Texas Governors aren't really the ones that run the day-to-day government, that's the Lt. Governor. So Bush really couldn't do too much to screw up that state (oh but he did enough). So you have 2 Bushes in states that will pretty much guarentee you (with a bit of backoffice manipulation) about 80 electorial votes. Only one problem - Jeb didn't win his 1994 election, so the repukes had the thrill of cleaning up a draft-dodging cokehead drunk and make him a 'president'

So this is why Reagan will always be worse than Bush. If we never had Reagan, we wouldn't have the greed that would do whatever it takes to get 'Reagan' back into the White house.

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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:38 AM
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228. COWBELL!!!! Thank you!!!!!
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lakercub Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:36 PM
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254. I agree
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 12:38 PM by lakercub
but keep in mind that Reagan may not have been possible if not for Nixon. Many of these Reagan Bush cronies got their start with Tricky Dick. And Nixon tapped into the Goldwater reserves. But Reagan took Nixon's evil and multiplied it by a million. I go back and forth between he and Bush...but I think Bush may end up leaving the United States is more desperate straits than even Ronnie did. Two sides of an awful coin.

I will be 35 this year...and 21 of those 35 years include a Bush, Reagan, or Nixon presidency. What the hell did I do to deserve that? That's 60 percent of my life...somebody owes me big for the next 35 years.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:41 PM
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281. Heck if you want to go back to the origins of this mess
You ought to go back to George Wallace. He was the first to make hatred popular. He was the first to exercise back-slapping, down-home, smiley-faced nastiness.

Maybe only us old folks remember that he was the darling of the college lecture circuit around 1966-67. That wasn't too many years after he stood in the doorway to keep a black man out of the state university. I remember a college classmate telling me he was going to hear a cool lecture with George Wallace, and I remember my jaw hitting the pavement.

He was the first to give meanness of spirit a happy face. Without him, I doubt any of this would have been possible.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:43 PM
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353. There's no point in comparing which of the three is worse. They are all part of the same thing.
The Bush Crime Family has controlled EVERY Republican administration since World War II. Richard Nixon owes his entire career to Prescott Bush, and it was Grandpa Bush who introduced Tricky Dick to his "golfing buddy" Ike Eisenhower. Ike, to his credit saw the agenda of his employers for what it was and actually tried to warn the American people, but obviously his prophetic words were ignored.

He was the first and the last of their chosen presidents who was NOT 100% on board with the agenda. Reagan might not have understood exactly what the agenda was, but he didn't oppose what he knew of it. Same with Chimpy.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:16 PM
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290. I think it came before that
Many of these vermin snuck into the political scene during the waning days of Nixon and during the ensuing years when we really didn't have a president -- just Gerry Ford stumbling around.

This is why I have a theory that Nixon was brought down from the inside by forces loyal to the fascist organization that included Prescott Bush. They went underground after the failure of the fascist plot of 1934 and stayed underground during WW2. They re-emerged with the murders of JFK, RFK, and MLK and then used Nixon's megalomania to bring him down, opening the door for a caretaker president. It's important to remember that Poppy Bush is a long-time spook and Woodward is a spook (there is no such thing as an ex-spook). This would account for why Woodward was getting the dirt on Nixon right from Langley.

Once the door was opened a crack, all the vermin rushed in -- Cheney, Rummy, and that whole fascist crowd. They've been around ever since.

What we're seeing today is merely the conclusion of Prescott Bush's fascist plot of 1934.

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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:24 PM
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317. I think all of this evil was actually sprung from Nixon's womb...
I think Reagan was just an amiable stooge just like Junior is now. The same faction who controlled Nixon are controlling Junior to this day.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:11 PM
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368. If only Hinckley's bullet
hadn't bounce off of ray-gun's cold, hard excuse for a heart!

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:18 PM
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249. I agree, the second worst president ever! nt
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:37 PM
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4. Awesome Rant! I could not have said it better myself! Thank You!
:applause:

Oh and p.s. Fuck Reagan!!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:37 PM
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5. Ronald Reagan is why 9/11 happened. n/t
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:28 PM
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318. I've always attributed it to Poppy...
but I'll listen to what ya got to say about Reagan's involvement... :hi:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:37 PM
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6. Reagan was a preview of what was to come with Bush II and the neo-cons.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:37 PM
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7. I'm sensing some anger here...
Great post.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:38 PM
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9. Great post. It makes me want to vomit
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 05:39 PM by Politicub
Seeing all of this Reagan love on DU.

:puke:
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:13 PM
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30. Reagan love? On DEMOCRATIC Underground???
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:18 PM
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79. Linky linky
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:43 AM
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121. Oh. My. Fucking. God. Somebody hit that poster over the head with a Clue By Four.
Excuse me while I :puke: :puke: :puke:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:21 AM
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132. Ahem.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:16 AM
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189. Thanks for that info, kyle. Jeebus, though, it had 1000 posts before it got the concrete cookie.
eek.

I saw the 1000+ posts when I read the OP, and didn't scroll down to the end of the thread or check its profile.
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wizstars Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:53 AM
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167. Piss on that "person"...
...a term to be contrued loosely in its case
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:13 PM
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248. That's a troll. It must be. No Democrat in his right mind would say such a thing.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:34 PM
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253. "You are ignoring the author of this thread."
:rofl: guess I missed it!
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lakercub Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:55 PM
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258. Holy crap
that was ignorant Freep bullshit if I've ever seen it. And LOLOLOLOL at economic prosperity...are you kidding me?!!?!??!! Sure, if you were rich you prospered...but does the year 1987 ring a bell? If you lived in Colorado Springs, the place damn near became a ghost town due to Reaganomics. Buildings be built and foreclosed on all over town because of the S&Ls. I daresay that happened all over the country. The S&Ls are STILL the wost financial crisis of all time in this country...and it is still part of our debt. Remember the debt? Reagan and Bush account for most of it.

Reagan did one thing that I give him credit for...though it was a mirage. The national mood did improve during his time in office. This is mostly because he controlled the press and got that morning in America crap out there. But a large number of Americans were happier under Reagan than they had been previously. The amazing this is...they shouldn't have been. Reagan saw the meteoric rise of the values voters who were happy with every socially conservative thing he said no matter what he was doing to their checkbooks. We are still seeing this today. How many complete fools voted for Bush even though he was the worst thing for them economically? I know why the rich vote for Reagan and Bush...it even makes sense...but lower, middle-class trailer park folks?!!??! No one has benefited less from the Bush Reagan presidencies then they have, and yet they continue to cast these dumb ass votes. The other thing he did that improved the national mood was play the patriot card against the Soviets. It was smart to do politically, but a disaster economically.

As for taking down communism...communism was coming down no matter what. The USSR's system couldn't sustain itself. But what Reagan did was damn near bankrupt us to do it. He almost ruined the USA with his ridiculous spending. The Soviets, who were no angels and completely complicit, spent with us until they could spend no more...completely ruining the live of hundreds of millions of people in the USSR and all their satellite countries. Russia still feels the effects of this today.

Reagan's irresponsible rhetoric probably slowed Perestroika and Glasnost down as well. Remember Iceland? Reagan was completely unprepared for the summit talks and Gorbachev made him look like a fool. If that had been Bill Clinton, the cold war would have ended three years sooner, and the lives of Americans, Soviets, and the rest of Eastern Europe, would have improved dramatically. We may also have avoided the specter of nuclear war which hung over all our heads for years.

Reagan was a disaster...lets remember him that way instead.
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lakercub Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:13 PM
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264. Whoops...I forgot something
and I forget it all too often...as many Americans do.

Reagan did more to ruin the lives of Central Americans than any President this century. His support of the Contras was obviously criminal, but what it did to the people of Nicaragua should never be forgotten. Also, the war on drugs was a big deal for him...and nothing has enriched the drug cartels and made life miserable for the average Columbian more than the drug war. You suck Ron. I have nothing good to say about him...nothing.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:52 PM
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270. what an unbelievably stupid and ignorant shitbag
Communism ended itself, Reagan just waited for the barn to fall down.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:30 PM
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346. Is that one still here? Cuz he shouldn't be.
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Blue Fire Donating Member (588 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:29 PM
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86. Well, YEAH!
We LOVE to piss on his vile, rotting corpse! :evilgrin:

Fuck reagan! Over and over and over and over and over again! Just like he did to America.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:38 PM
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10. I'd piss on his crypt if I could
Fuck all you Raygun lovers, he fucked up America.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:40 PM
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11. God Damn I Need A Cig After That!
Great rant :smoke:.
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:32 PM
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347. My thoughts.
:smoke:
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:46 PM
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12. I GRADUATED FROM UC BERKELEY IN 1973
BUT WON'T HANG MY DIPLOMA... BECAUSE RAYGUN SIGNED IT.

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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:08 AM
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188. Hey Yebba, I graduated UCLA in 1973 and my diploma burned
up when our house burned down last August.

:hi:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:47 PM
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13. No thanks.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:48 PM
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15. Fuck Reagan?
Man, you're going to have to wait in a long line of Republicans all humping his rotting corpse.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:04 AM
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113. Remember kids, take your antibotics before indulging in necrophilia
Or when sleeping with Republicans, though they probably won't help there.
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:47 AM
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152. Kinda OT, but
I remember someone defending Nancy against claims she had an affair with Frank Sinatra by saying Nobody but Ronnie was lame enough to sleep with HER.
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:44 AM
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151. a long line of Republicans all humping his rotting corpse.
You mean they aren't performing fellatio on him anymore?
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:49 PM
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16. Ah the memories
I'd sort of blocked those years out, now they're all coming flooding back :(

Who was it that said, "those who do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it"? I think we are seeing the evidence of a mass memory lapse, and perhaps a failure to educate as well. Thanks for the refresher course ;)
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:22 PM
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276. George Santayana
See my sig.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:54 PM
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17. I wish I could rec this twice
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:22 PM
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104. I gotcha back
Though, in truth, I was going to rec it already...
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:55 PM
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18. Yes!!
:)
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:56 PM
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19. k&r
fuck him?

(to be sung to polka music :)
i don't want him
you can have him
he's too dead for me!

:P :P }( }(
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:58 PM
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20. and I join you wholeheartedly in your assessment.
fucking actor, b grade at best.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:03 PM
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22. FUCK RAYGUN!
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:05 PM
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23. I agree
Reagan was/is a SOB. Fact: reagan was a fascist. The way Charlie Chaplin was treated by this SOB is unforgivable.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:05 PM
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24. such language
don't you think it would be more proper to say 'fuck Reagan and the horse he rode in on?'
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:08 PM
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25. Why punish the horse? Hasn't it suffered enough? nt
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:19 PM
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80. ...
:spray:

:rofl:

You owe me a keyboard. I go through the most keyboards here.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:52 AM
Response to Reply #24
155. Well, if you're gonna do that,
bettter do it before Mike Huckabee finds out. He's gonna amended the Constamandments to cover that.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:09 PM
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26. But... but... but Reagan won the Cold War!
:eyes:

How many million Americans believe in this grave historical lie, do you think?

What I 'admire' the Republicans for, is that they effectively have created an alternative history for the past 20 years. George Orwell would have been proud of them. What I don't understand, is why Democrats have never been able to successfully challenge them about this.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:01 PM
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94. like how they say North was "wildly popular" in '87: turns out he got 30-something approval ratings
according to the delectable Muffled Echoes by Amy Fried. He was sorta the anti-Smedley-Butler: instead of blowing the whistle on secret fascism, he built it up into a parallel White House.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:11 PM
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27. Thank you, thank you
He came from hell, and went right back when he was though fucking as much up as he could

That glorifying of him always made me sick. I lived through those years. I used to have a tee shirt with his face on it with his finger up his nose. The caption? "Who picked this man"
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:14 PM
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288. I may still have
my "I ain't afraid of no actor" t-shirt with one of those red circle-cross over a cartoon of Reagan ... of course, the reality is even at 16/17 I was afraid of him.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:12 PM
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:20 PM
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33. Way to get a Kucinich jab in. Nice one. nt
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:25 PM
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51. So, which of Reagan's policies did you approve of?
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 07:26 PM by Hoof Hearted
Disgusting. I have nothing but disdain for those who would make excuses for that murderous bag of pus.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:01 PM
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60. "Murderous Bag of Pus" -- my, my, aren't we mature? Isn't it bedtime yet?
I didn't like Reagan's policies. His talking to Gorbachev over the advice of the hawks was maybe the only thing. But it's the kind of schoolyard rhetoric full of "fuck" "bag of pus" on and on that, quite frankly, is embarrassing for political discourse in 2008. Except, of course, unless you're a mere kid of 12, in that case --- it fits!
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:46 PM
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91. Hey Dude Your Core Is Showing
Don't respond with your "aren't we mature" crap as you are on ignore. The OP was and is a relevant righteous rant. So I'll say it again FUCK RAYGUN THE FUCKWITTAGE DOUCHE.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:59 AM
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183. Another foul-mouthed child. -nt
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:03 PM
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245. Rotten core and self-righteously pretentious
Reagan was a murdering treasonous fascist narcissistic cowboy wannabe delusional loon. And you are offended.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:46 PM
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257. At least you said that without childish obscenities, very good.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:52 PM
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271. It's too Bad it wasn't Up Close and Personal
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 01:53 PM by fascisthunter
What that man has done is NOTHING compared to the language on this thread, And those trying to nit-pick language on this thread are finest examples of hypocrisy.

here's a clue:
genocide by a President vs language of posters

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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:35 PM
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329. It's not working, George.

We're not going to start liking Reagan. And none of us are going to care what you think about him, substantial numbers of him remember him very clearly.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:33 AM
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342. More off-base projections
I totally disliked him and his destructive policies, but I never went on a public obscenity tirade because of it. All the filth detracts from any well meant points made in this discussion.

I don't understand why objecting to vile, obscene language automatically qualifies me for "liking" Reagan or sticking up for him. Just shows the irrational thought pervasive in DU lately. It used to be somewhat civil here, now it's become downright nasty.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:13 PM
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350. "Bad words" are a creation of culture. Swearing doesn't hurt anyone. n/t
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:44 PM
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354. But they're not necessary, are they?
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:53 PM
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357. Yes, they are.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:19 PM
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372. Sometimes what you class as "obscenities" are the ONLY rational reaction
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 12:19 PM by ProudDad
to the irrational system we labor under...

-------------

Anyhoo, any folks who are uncomfortable about words should examine their own perceptions rather than blame those who express themselves as they see fit (which, last I heard, was STILL a Constitutional right).

There's no such thing as an obscene WORD...only obscene listeners...
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:14 PM
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370. It's NEVER been civil here
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 12:15 PM by ProudDad
that's why I always wear my iron long johns when visiting... :hi:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:04 PM
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246. Love Ya, Binka! (nt)
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:03 PM
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259. The Trolls Can't Help Themselves
Who the fuck is this sanctimonious shit calling us names and insulting our collective intelligence? It is interesting that these gas bags seeping out of the wood work have plenty of posts and yet I can't recall ever seeing them before. They hide in obscure forums and build up a post count before coming to GD or LBN. Fuck them.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:49 PM
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267. Ronald Reagan Fans... That's WHo
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 01:53 PM by fascisthunter
Too cowardly to admit as much. LOL. Let thhem express their phony outrage. They support something lower than anything anyone could ever post on a dscusion forum. It's hypocrisy at its finest.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:34 PM
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:51 PM
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307. You're inane
I want to be kind, but pushing buttons, lauding the "Gipper", is close to Freeperdom...or those apologists for a Democratic candidate with questionable liberal values.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:32 PM
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54. Which of his policies did you approve of?
:shrug: Oh and FUCK REAGAN!
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:47 PM
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56. jinx
:)
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:57 PM
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59. He actually TALKED to our enemies
Can we not give him credit for ignoring the hawks within his administration and insisting on direct talks with Gorbachev?
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:19 PM
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64. Can we not give him credit for ignoring the hawks?
Ummmmmm... no.

We cannot give him credit. Mostly he did not ignore the hawks. And mostly he didn't think for himself anyway, so he gets credit for nothing in my book. So he wanted to make his threats to Gorby in person. So what.

Fuck Reagan.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:03 AM
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185. You don't know your history. How old are you? -nt
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:02 PM
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73. I Caught That Too
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:48 PM
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92. PRAT! I Love You Mouse!
:loveya: :hi: How are you doing?
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:31 AM
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135. I am well, dear!

Very well, thank you for asking.

And you?

:hug:
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:01 AM
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184. I'm 48 years old. I remember it well. Hawks didn't want direct negotiations
Including, by the way, (we later learned) Vice President George Bush. The post asked what I DID agree with. There wasn't much, but I DID agree with this. BTW, I didn't credit Reagan with Glasnost, Perestroika or anything else - just talking instead of isolating.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:20 AM
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225. True, but...
...he's the guy who surrounded himsef with hawks to begin with.

So yes, he deserves credit for being more perceptive than most of his advisors. But considering who they were, you can buy that credit for a dollar.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:46 PM
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282. just talking instead of isolating
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 02:47 PM by AlbertCat
Well, it was probably what his horoscope told him to do that day, not any great political insight. Or maybe he just forgot what his hawkish advisers told him... 10 minutes after they told him.

Reagan was a brain dead puppet....just like George is. Reagan had a disease, George pickled his brain in alcohol for decades. Same result.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:38 AM
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197. Ignorant of history, yet has the gall to chastise others like a nanny.
Don't you love it?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:01 PM
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72. Give Us a Break
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:15 PM
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103.  NO! Trickle this
I remember tooo well what he did for California as Governor and than he took his policies nationwide when he became president. He set the stage for bush who put reagan's policies on fast track.

66 (Unflattering) Things About Ronald Reagan
http://www.alternet.org/story/18874 /

Ask the poor and the middle class how his trickle down economics worked out for them.
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wizstars Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:02 AM
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169. I'm still holding my cup out in case something does trickle down
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 08:03 AM by wizstars
The trickle-down theory only works with piss.
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sleepyhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:08 AM
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170. Thanks so much for that link
I loved that David Corn article when it first came out in the Nation and saved it until it was worn. Now I can look at it again and again on my computer, and send it to any misguided Reagan fans I meet.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:01 AM
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211. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:09 AM
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219. Reagan actually TRADED with our enemies
Arms for hostages.

Meeting behind Carter's back with the Iranians so that they would hold American hostages LONGER, in order to throw the election.

Reagan was a bad bad man.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:37 PM
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55. My, my, I didn't realize Miss Manners was posting here now.

:puke:

Reagan cut funding for special education and screwed up many kids' lives by doing so. I saw it happen as a public school teacher during the "wonderful" Reagan years. He hurt people and he didn't care.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:21 PM
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83. Ah, screw you
And the horse you rode in on.

Reagan started it all. I was young in his era. It was the "I got mine, screw you" mentality that still permeates the voters.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:06 AM
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187. Another Kucinich Child I see -nt
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:38 PM
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330. No, calling people children isn't going to help you.
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FreedomFry Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:41 PM
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110. What an immature reply ...
I had to come out of semi-retirement to chide you for your oh-so "mature" post. Having lived through Thespian Reagan, Governor Reagan, President Reagan, trickle-down Reagan, Reaganomics, Deregulation Reagan, Iran-Contra Reagan and "I don't recall" Reagan, there isn't enough invective in the English language to cover his insidious legacy. One thing the original poster left out of his excellent rant was Reagan's "let 'em eat cake" take on the federally funded school lunch program. When told that the lunches didn't include enough healthful foods, he pointed out with a straight face that the ketchup on hamburgers qualified as a vegetable. So much for maturity.
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desertflamingo Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:18 AM
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134. what the...???
c'mon... don't get your shorts in a bunch. there are times for being prim and proper and there are times when you just have to let it loose. sheesh...

EDWARDS '08
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:34 AM
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179. I'm 72
Far from immature. I approve of every line and word of that rant.

:applause:

That evil man was the beginning of the end for this country I love with a passion. You think we should play nice with him ??????? Who is immature here ?
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:29 PM
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302. No, it flushes out the knee-jerk idiots who have to drop the F-Bomb as many times as they can
I wonder about THEM being the trolls. Honestly. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to so blatantly go over-the-top in describing how much you dislike something that it only makes the community here - as a whole - look bad. This thread is as vile as it gets on ANY message board. Yet, I am the one that is the "problem" and accused of "trolling". I mean, how about a little perspective?
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:54 PM
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309. Be clear. This is a LEFT WING SITE. Reagan was RIGHT WING.

Are we on the same page yet?
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:19 PM
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323. Yes. Same page.
Some come here and disrupt by posting far, far, far left wing views OR be so incredibly disgusting and sick when it comes to language that it becomes fodder for rightwing radio (as they try to hold up certain DU posts as 'mainstream thought' within the Democratic Party). Turning it around, it would be like one of us going to the Freepers site and posting neo-nazi stuff and using really off-the-wall language and then Air America quoting the stuff WE POSTED as being examples of 'mainstream republican' thought. Trolling is NOT just the freeper flamers that cut and run. They can also be those that post outrageous thoughts and language to make the Democratic Party look like we are a party of foul-mouthed children who the country cannot be entrusted with. THAT'S why I get angry at over-the-top posts that COULD BE trolling for rightwing radio fodder.

Now, are we on the same page?
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:48 PM
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331. No, I'm afraid we are not.
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 08:56 PM by baby_mouse
The reason being, you are defending a politician whose accomplishments include (amongst many other things) blocked funding to people dying blind and demented in hospitals from a brand new sexually transmitted disease leaving them to protest this unusual treatment of them and the government funds set aside specifically deal with such emergencies simply on the grounds of their sexual orientation, leaving others behind like my ex-boyfriend to drive buses around carrying messages regarding this matter to the amazingly ignorant populace, only to watch 40 or 50 of his close friends die pissing themselves in hospital beds and hallucinating weird shit, often ABOUT Reagan, leaving him, and me, by proxy, with a host of multiple loss issues and a large amount of unpleasant drugs.

This being the case, your understanding of "mainstream thought" about this man is irrelevant to me, frankly, and your perception of OTHER PEOPLE'S perception of MY perception of "mainstream thought" is far, very far from my mind in discussing this politician, almost as far as considerations of your fine sensibilities surrounding the language used to describe him.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:24 PM
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333. You're rather obsessed - get outside and take a walk in the park -nt
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:38 PM
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334. Mere impertinence. Nothing more to add about Reagan?

That's what I thought.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:54 PM
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359. How is he defending Reagan?
More minnie mouse projection of his hatred on others.
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Blue Fire Donating Member (588 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:40 AM
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229. Real, Progressive Americans have EVERY RIGHT, an OBLIGATION even,
to regard that vile pile of rotting rat shit with contempt and hatred. FUCK RAYGUN!!!!
FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!!

You've heard about that movie "The Bucket List"? One thing I want to do as an old man (not too far away anymore) before I die is visit Raygun's grave after a few beers, whip it out, and take a long, slow, hot and comfortable piss all over the waste of real estate that is his grave.
FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!!

I'll spend my life being 'immature' before I waste an iota of time or energy showing that fuckbag pile of dog puke anything that resembles respect or credibility.
FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!!

This entire nation should stand on the rooftops and yell "FUCK RAYGUN!!!!" every February 6th.
FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!!

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:18 PM
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316. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:15 PM
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322. Blue Fire, I wish, oh how I wish, I could recommend your reply.
That was beautiful. Got a little tear in my eye.

:rofl:
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Blue Fire Donating Member (588 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:35 AM
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336. Ah, heck! Didn't mean to get you all sentimental over the gipturd!
:toast:
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:44 PM
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256. Agreed - I've reported the subject of this post to the moderators, let's see if anything is done!
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:26 PM
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277. What in the OP is against DU rules?
:shrug:
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Blue Fire Donating Member (588 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:35 PM
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293. Something has been done!
It's called 'flipping the ignore switch'!
Syonara, baby! :P
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:38 PM
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304. Go ahead and "Ignore" - It's always more comfortable in the echo-chamber -nt
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:55 PM
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310. tap... tap... tap...
...whistle...
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:12 PM
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29. Recommended. And to think there was something called 'Reagan Democrats'
And, evidently, they still exist, right here in River City. What do they call them now? Mainstream is it?

The RDs couldn't handle the bad news, they wanted happy endings like on TV sitcoms, 'Morning in America'.

Now they want 'hope', 'change', 'transformation'.

SSDD: Same shit, different day.

We are so lost in feel-good horse shit.

I despair.



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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:30 PM
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35. With the current batch of GOP it'll be "Mourning in America" nt
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:01 AM
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147. Apparently, appealing to this base is Obama's grand new plan
Reagan Democrats for change, hope and transformation. :puke:
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:53 AM
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201. Yeah
They're the same ones who voted for Bush. Democrats my ass.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:16 PM
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31. I think Hillary should condemn Reagan like this, too. I'm sure more people would vote for her.
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CelticWinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:18 PM
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32. Raygun lived the way
he died out of touch with reality. I didnt like him when he was in office, dont like him now, and never shed a tear when he went to the other side. I just hope when he comes back he has to work as a woman in the service industry making garbage wages and no union to say his sorry ass.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:26 PM
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34. Reagan was a piece of shit, and anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:33 PM
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36. Error: You've already recommended that thread.
Oh, yeah.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:35 PM
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37. K & R for truth
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:38 PM
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38. Yeah, just thinking about him and how he stopped the evolution of democracy
makes my blood boil.
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:43 PM
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39. "Filthy hyena puke!." Love the imagry. Can't agree more.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:48 PM
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40. Obama Waxes Fondly about Reagan, Slams Clinton & Disparages the 60's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP1esS0AEzk


Watch the video for yourself. I was upset and disappointed. There is NOTHING even remotely admirable to say or imply about Reagan WHATSOEVER, and nobody in our party should be spouting that kind of crud. Clinton made mistakes, most notably the 'welfare reform' which was terrible, but he also he did much good. He is a noted as a great President and a credit to our party. Don't even get me started on anyone who even sideways puts down the best era this country ever had for CHANGE by talking about the 'excesses of the 60's'. I really couldn't believe his remarks, and am very bothered by them. Sometimes I think he loses sight of what he's saying in his effort to orate positively. He is inspiring when he speaks, but he needs to pay more attention to what he says, and not let himself get carried away with his skill in optimistic speech so that he ends up making remarks like this! I've donated money to both his and Hillary's campaigns, but I'm voting for her.

I live in CA and Reagan RUINED this state. We had the best schools and educational system until he decimated it. He was a traitor to his own colleagues and friends in Hollywood with his support of blacklisting.

He was a prejudiced and self serving person. No actors for president ever! UGH

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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:51 PM
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41. Yes, Clinton HAS made mistakes
and gets no pass with me.

My bet is that if Reagan were still around, Billy Clinton would be busy globe-trotting and golfing with him at every opportunity.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:11 PM
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45. He's too busy supporting his wife!
Very admirable.

And I didn't give him a 'pass', but to denigrate his achievements is just wrong.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:17 PM
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46. Did I "denigrate his achievements" in that post?
I think not. Denigrating his achievements would be to say:

Welfare "reform", NAFTA, "don't ask don't tell", and media consolidation - among others - have together made America a crueler, poorer and dumber nation. Thanks Bill.

That would be denigrating his achievements.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:33 PM
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99. Yes. Anyway, I agree with you about Raygun
Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy, restored the economy and brought interest rates back down so people could buy homes again, was the 1st president to speak in favor of gay rights and at least made progress with military policy and peoples attitudes, never took his eye off terrorist threats and took effective action against it, gave us 8 war free years and built good international relations, and together with Hillary tried to get a national health care program, which the next Dem pres will be able to put through. He had a Republican congress and couldn't do as much as he wanted to.

I said that he made mistakes, and mentioned the horrible welfare 'reform', and I agree about NAFTA, but he brought this country to a much better place after Reagan and Bush 1 wrought so much damage, which was no small task.

I just don't see how it's helpful now to slam Clinton when this is our election to win, no matter who the nominee is, and I didn't appreciate Obama doing so in his remarks.

It made me ill. People say they are being distorted, but I heard what he said and that's bunk. He spoke with admiration of him, period. If he believes it, cripes, and if it's some strategy to get CA votes, it's disgusting.

I mean, what a GREAT idea, build up the image of Raygun before the general election, just like the Republicans are. Oh, and people were so TIRED of those 'excesses 'of the 60's...like civil rights I guess....and READY 4 that nostalic RAYGUN 'revolution'! Maybe they'll want another one!

Thank Obama.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:57 AM
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207. Welcome to DU!
I like you already. While I myself am not a Clinton supporter (I'm voting Edwards,) how the hell can ANY Democrat abide by Obama denigrating Clinton and praising Ronnie Raygun?

They are either ignorant, or they aren't democrats.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:16 PM
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289. Thank you. I agree completely.
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7 of 11 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:52 PM
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42. Yes. but to be fair
He did garner many a democrat's votes. He could not have trounced Carter so bad on Neocon votes alone. I have to agree with what many prominent liberal leaders said after his death. I disagreed with %99.9999 of all is polices but somehow I could not help but like that guy.

I would not vote for him at any time but if it were a choice between him and W I would... If not for anything more than entertainment value.

Chimpy on the other hand is a toxic waste dump of deception. A lier and an imbecile of the lowest caliber. A polarizing and clueless maggot with no sense of leadership. I could see no real reason to drive super hard for a Reagan impeachment but Chimpy needs to hang from a tree. Reagan made America feel better; Chimpy makes America feel ashamed.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:47 PM
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57. He did away with the Fairness Doctrine in media and so we have
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 07:48 PM by DemBones DemBones

him to thank for FUX News, Limpballs, Coultergeist, Tweety, Fucker, et al.

Why should we be fair to him? He was against fairness!

He also cut funding for special education programs and ruined an awful lot of kids' lives. I did not like that guy. We need to talk about the damage he did to America.

Obama showed very poor judgement by using Reagan as an example of anything good.
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7 of 11 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:10 PM
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62. I agree with you
But to compare him to Chimpy is hitting too low. The loser we have right now is in a class of his own. Reagan was just mean spirited and made horrible choices, Chimpy is simply down right dangerous.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:30 PM
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87. Yeah - You know why?

I have a great admiration and respect for Ted Kennedy.

But Kennedy's performance during the primary, and at the convention, was not at all helpful and, IMHO, contributed to Reagan's win.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:21 AM
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118. Put the kool-aid down. If still alive, they are no longer Dems
Those "Reagan Democrats" were overwhelming older white racist males in primarily Southern states. For historical reasons, they remained registered as Democrats, voted in the primary for Democrats like Helms or Thurmand before they changed parties, and had not voted for a Democrat for President since before FDR, if ever. I grew up with these people, they hated Eleanor Roosevelt, wanted to impeach Earl Warren, railed against those pinko hippies in Chapel Hill, voted for Jesse Helms, and thought the Klan was right about some things.

BTW Obama's comments on Reagan are only the lastest of his attacks on our core values, our hard-earned gains, and our tragic losses. Obama is too old and too smart for me to give him the benefit of the doubt, to believe he doesn't know what he is doing.

I just heard someone on TV suggest that this might be a ploy by Obama to attract support in California where so many still worshiped Reagan. Even I had not been cynical enough to consider that possibility.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:01 AM
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209. Thank you, thank you, thank you
The whole "Reagan Democrats" meme is such utter bullshit! You hit it right on the head. I wish I could recommend this response.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:55 PM
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43. The Great DUer Symbolman flashes it best:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:30 PM
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53. That was great! A Must-See For All.

:kick:
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:01 PM
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44. Excellent post Truth2Tell
Thanks...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:19 PM
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47. two words: iran/contra
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:19 PM
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48. And the horse he rode in on!

:kick: and R
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:20 PM
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49. Amen Brother/Sister. eom
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:23 PM
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50. I wish I could recommend this a dozen times.
I remember all too well what it was like under that shoe-polish-covered bag of pus.

Thanks for this post.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:26 PM
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52. I wouldn't do that with Jeff Gannon's dick
At least take some comfort knowing that ronnie raygun died with a full diaper.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:49 AM
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122. Not even with a stolen dick
Or even Dick Morris.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:52 PM
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58. yeah fuck that asshole!!!
piece of shit! gave birth to the cretin chimp we have now!
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two gun sid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:08 PM
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61. Bravo. Ronnie Reagan will never be dead enough for me.
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 08:09 PM by two gun sid
And fuck his pal Maggie Thatcher, too.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:51 AM
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199. Amen... two peas in a pod. (nt)
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:12 PM
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63. damn right! n/t
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:27 PM
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65. Ronald Reagan the Great Regressive
I am a Native Californian and was a student at UC Berkeley when Reagan was Guv and US Forest Service when he was POTUS; Reagan declared war on two of the most shining lights of practical progressive science ever known in the USA and damaged institutions that have not recovered to this day.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:58 PM
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93. As A Fellow Cal Grad I Say Please Post More!
Oaktown gal here, I was a Junior at Berkeley when he was "elected" POTUS. In my book that stands for Totally Useless Piece Of SHIT! :hi: I still believe Ronnie stole the election.
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:59 AM
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235. You know the reason he became governor at all
is because J Edgar Hoover and Co set him up against Pat Brown. They believed he could annihilate the Free Speech movement in Berkeley. The Chronicle did a HUGE 2-week Sunday suppliment in June 2002, explaining that the FBI cleaned up Reagan's dirty little record so he could be a squeaky-clean candidate. In return, the bastard promised to oppress free speech on campus. Him and his attack goon Ed Meese (whom he made Atty General of the US--worst ever B4 Gonzo) were responsible for the People's Park debacle, the Black Panther supressions in Oakland and wherever else progressive rights tried to flourish.

The writer of this article waited 17 fucking YEARS to get what he needed under the Freedom of information act. The FBI tried to stymie him at every turn. The story is unbelieveable: far most East Germany than Northern California. But I link it up to every thread, every time someone tries to tell us that Reagan wasn't so bad.

He was evil, heinous, cold-blooded and uncaring. Just because Chimpy is even worse, don't kid yourselves that Reagan had any redeeming characteristics.

Truth2Tell, Rock on! Sometimes the F bomb is the only way to articulate your anger, and your rant is pic-perfect! Tell those blue-blood puritans to close their fragile little ears if expressing the truth in blunt terms offends their sensibilites.

Here's the link to the Chronicle expose. Once you've read it, if you still have anything good to say about this evil bastard, you don't belong on DU.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/0...
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:55 PM
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67. Refreshing! K&R'd
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 08:55 PM by seeker4ever
I fuckin' love it!

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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:57 PM
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69. I will NEVER refer to that one airport in DC as "Reagan National Airport"
that airport will ALWAYS be "Washington National Airport" to me...And I'll continue to correct those who refer it by its incorrect name....

Reagan :puke: that asshole did so many awful things it's hard to know where to begin:

Appointed Scalia to Supreme Court, tried to appoint Bork (whose nomination was defeated)

Wasted countless millions on the Meese Commission to study the porn industry to appease the religious right lunatics....

Didn't give a damn about the poor, ignored AIDS crisis, fired the air traffic controllers, etc. etc...

Reagan was a first rate bastard - Fuck him..

http://g21.net/amdream79.html

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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:25 PM
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345. With ya on that one!!
I work for the airlines in San Francisco, and I go as far as to draw a big black line thru the name "Reagan" every time it appears on a boarding pass! So far, no one has said a word to stop me.

Here's the itinerary from hell: Depart Reagan airport, Arrive John Wayne airport, with a connection at George Bush (Houston) airport :puke: :puke: :puke:

A wingnut's wet dream of a vacation!
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:59 PM
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70. and Satisfying
T2t,
You might enjoy some of my video commentaries.

http://YouTube.com/TheFrankFactor
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:25 AM
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238. yeah, uh, Frank...
just one small request, please?

it was good except you referred to Clinton as a 'Democrat' President....that oughta be 'Democratic' President.

I know, I know, it's nitpicky, etc....but you gotta remember, dude: saying 'Democrat' instead of 'Democratic' makes Newt Gingrich and the ghost of old Joe McCarthy very happy

I'm sure you didn't mean it, but.....can you just make that one little fix in future clips, please? It's a thought virus we can't afford to feed.

a very small nitpicky comment about an otherwise wonderful clip. Looking forward to more
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #70
240. Thank you brother!
I've seen them, and I highly recommend! Keep after them! No rest for these bastards.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:59 PM
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71. Hear, hear!
I couldn't have said it any better.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:04 PM
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75. Only Bush 2 is worse than RRR.....at least Ron could think and talk
no real ideas and concepts but he could articulate....
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lakercub Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:07 PM
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261. Yes he could speak
but I dispute that he could think...he was just as simple-minded as Bush is now.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:26 AM
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341. OK...Low Level Thinking....
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:05 PM
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76. Big time
K&R

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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:05 PM
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77. Oh please...
MOTHER fuck Reagan.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:15 PM
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78. Ain't that the truth
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 09:28 PM by ooglymoogly
Everything was a simplistic black and white fairytale B movie to this less than B moron. The only thing he was good at was posturing, trying to put an intelligent face on a vacuous, dull brain. But he did create the school of earnest looks that Hr. * subscribes to, along with awe shucks Huck.
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codeindigo Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:20 PM
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81. great post.
i very confused with obama right now on so many issues. the more i learn, the less appealing he is becoming. :(
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kcass1954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:20 PM
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82. He's the reason I left the republican party.
Fuck 'em!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:53 AM
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200. I'd rather it was people like YOU who were referred to as Reagan Democarts...
and the gullible $&#*(@%&@s who fell for his schtick were just called $&#*(@$&(#@s.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:24 PM
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84. Word.
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RevolutionToday Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:24 PM
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85. Tell us how you really feel?
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 09:30 PM by RevolutionToday
:P

That was probably the most passionately delivered "Fuck Ronald Reagan" threads I have ever read and I fucking loved it!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:33 PM
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88. 79th rec
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:44 PM
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89. wasn't that a J.G. Ballard story?
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debunkthelies Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:44 PM
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90. And then some!!!
I agree nuf said.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:05 PM
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95. One has to wonder why Obama would ever pine for this vermin
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:14 PM
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97. Repuke fundraisers got the new UCLA hospital named after St. Ronnie...
The woman who headed up that big-bucks effort, Ann Dunsmore, was last seen trying to raise money for Rudy's hopefully-ill-fated prez campaign.

These zombie-worshiping stooges' goal really is to get St. Ronnie's name on every bridge, roadway, airport, and piece of legal tender in the land.

The UCLA hospital naming is doubly enraging, inasmuch as Ronnie was such a total **turd** to the entire University of California system during his gubernatorial reign. Those were dark, dark days for higher education in California. :grr:
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:17 PM
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98. Let's not forget his inventing the stereotypical, black "welfare queen"
meme that was utterly unfounded (most welfare folks are white). He used that crap to pit his crowd, including "Reagan Democrats" against a lot of innocent people.

Our new "change guy" should remember that....
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:35 PM
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100. Can't argue with that
The ORIGINAL warmongering corporate man-whore.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:37 PM
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101. Obama's Hero?
The Kooks drinking the Obama Kool Aid are going to be cheesed now.

Don't you dare put down Barack's main man - Ronald Reagan.


"I like saw him and he spoke and everyone cheered and stuff and he's like so inspiring, you know, my gawd..."

"But, his hero is Ronald Reagan."

"But, oh my gawd, I saw him speak and stuff and everyone was like clapping..."

"He thinks Ronald Reagan was a better president than his own party's choice, Bill Clinton."

"...cheering and like people liked him....they TOTALLY liked him....and stuff...got any more of that Kool Aid stuff? My glass is like empty."


Obama-Reagan 2008






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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:58 PM
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102. Tonight on Olbermann that jackass Lawrence O'Donnell
from Huffington Post went on and on about what a freaking saint Reagan is and how non-controversial he has become and how smart it was of Obama to praise him because only people on the "far left" don't love him and how caucus goers in Nevada aren't smart enough to realize what he did to unions. It was disgusting. I was shocked that Olbermann let him get away with it.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:36 PM
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107. I heard that and it riled the shit out of me
A lot of times O'Donnell gets it right, but when he gets it wrong he goes all the way. He's buying into this BS about people under 40 not remembering Reagan the same way over-40s do, so it's okay to invoke him as a uniter.

Well listen up, Messrs. O'Donnell and Obama: it's us old farts who vote the most, and we remember best. We were working and supporting ourselves during the worst economy of our lifetime (to date), and we were suffering, and so were our families and neighbors and communities. The 80s were ugly in so many ways.

Oh, and yeah...fuck Ronald Reagan.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:39 PM
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108. The worst was his implication that caucus goers in Nevada
aren't smart enough to know how anti-union Reagan was. That was downright insulting, and Keith just sat there. I would have reamed his ass for that one.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:16 AM
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115. Oooh, I missed that part
:grr:

I was listening from the kitchen while making dinner, and then the phone rang, and so on...

My dad was a Machinist business rep. Almost overnight after Reagan took office, a successful contract negotiation went from one where he won increased wages/benefits to one where he didn't have to give up too many concessions - take-aways, they were called. It disheartened him, literally, taking one of those contracts to the membership and telling them it was the best they could hope to get. He was dead in three years.

Fuck. Ronald. Reagan.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:42 AM
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127. We must tell KO that O'Donnell is off limits after HuffPost hit piece on Edwards
Excited when I first saw that the issue was a featured topic.

Turned to outrage when I saw O'Donnell introduced, quickly followed by screaming.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:59 AM
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208. Didn't O'Donnell also say last night that Edwards was irrelevant?
That he'd be out of it after NV?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:57 AM
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206. It's also frickin idiotic... what does that clown think, that no one at the caucuses
will bother to tell anyone who isn't already aware about all the evil deeds done by Saint Ronnie of the Magical Hope and Optimism?

:eyes:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:55 AM
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203. My favorite part was when he said NV union members weren't "sharp enough"
to remember what Reagan did to unions.

TV news is a scam.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:30 PM
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278. That was so insulting. And KO didn't say a word. No, "Hey,
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 02:31 PM by LibDemAlways
hold on a minute there. Are you insulting the intelligence of Nevada's union members?" Nothing. Very disappointing.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:24 PM
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105. Righteous Reagan rant!
Fuck Reagan
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:34 PM
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106. Excellant post, Reagan feigned the hard of hearing act whenever Iran/Contra was brought up, it took
a valiumed out Nancy to pull off his making it through the second term, and the same will happen to McCain, how old is he? 140?!?
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:39 PM
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109. ..and yet, a shit-load of Democrats voted for him. Twice.
weird, huh.
Ah, fuck 'em.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:01 AM
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212. Not weird. PR works. Advertising works.
It takes a certain kind of person to fall for it... and they're not all republicans.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:47 PM
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111. He was like a puppy.
Stupid.
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:55 PM
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112. Yes. Fuck him and all the neo-cons who rode in on him
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:06 AM
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114. I have been hired to represent the filthy hyena's
They consider "Ronald Reagan represents all of the worst elements of the American political experience of the last 50 years. All of them. He was, and always will be, nothing but a steaming hot pile of filthy hyena puke. " to be defamation of character.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:17 AM
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116. His "9" most hated words were the poor's and the victims of disaster's favorites
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
Would bring a smile to Katrina victim's faces. Would give hope to wounded vets.
Would bring Joy to families dealing with members who have alzheimers.

Would bring scorn to greedy and wealthy vulture capitalists who can';t stand to have their greed regulated for the common welfare of their communities.
Fuck Ronald Reagan...He was bought off because he used to be a liberal till he married into wealth, the greedy bastard.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:19 AM
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117. I hope our next President pledges himself/herself to undo the damage caused by Reagan
which persists to this very day. I'm particularly concerned with the way the media began its terrible slide into more and more deregulation and consolidation of ownership into fewer and fewer hands under Ronald Reagan and his FCC. In 1983 and in ensuing editions, author Ben Bagdikian wrote on this subject in a book entitled The Media Monopoly, describing what a disaster Reagan represented to media deregulation and, particularly, how the media covers elections.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaMonopoly_B...
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:33 AM
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119. Fuck that racist asshole
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:47 AM
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231. I love how his gloves are dirty as hell
but his pants are still starched white. I know the unretouched is for the wonderfull lawn ornament but I couldn't help but point out the fact that st ronnie prob never touched a garden in his life.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:41 AM
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120. Ronnie Rayguns was Puppet President 1.0, and Chimpyshit is Puppet pResident 2.0.
And, re: the place in Hell part:
The day RR died, my sister called her parish priest about an unrelated matter, and the priest said "well, this is Reagan's first day in Hell". IIRC, the priest is from Central America or had spent a lot of time there(Guatemala, I think), so is well aware of all RR's atrocities there)
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:50 AM
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123. Here's a little addition
courtesy of unapatriciated upthread and via David Corn at Alternet.

Consider this a rant ammendment.

Personally, I find this list goes well to the tune of "The End of the World as We Know it" by REM.

66 (Unflattering) Things About Ronald Reagan

The firing of the air traffic controllers, winnable nuclear war, recallable nuclear missiles, trees that cause pollution, Elliott Abrams lying to Congress, ketchup as a vegetable, colluding with Guatemalan thugs, pardons for F.B.I. lawbreakers, voodoo economics, budget deficits, toasts to Ferdinand Marcos, public housing cutbacks, redbaiting the nuclear freeze movement, James Watt.

Getting cozy with Argentine fascist generals, tax credits for segregated schools, disinformation campaigns, "homeless by choice," Manuel Noriega, falling wages, the HUD scandal, air raids on Libya, "constructive engagement" with apartheid South Africa, United States Information Agency blacklists of liberal speakers, attacks on OSHA and workplace safety, the invasion of Grenada, assassination manuals, Nancy's astrologer.

Drug tests, lie detector tests, Fawn Hall, female appointees (8 percent), mining harbors, the S&L scandal, 239 dead U.S. troops in Beirut, Al Haig "in control," silence on AIDS, food-stamp reductions, Debategate, White House shredding, Jonas Savimbi, tax cuts for the rich, "mistakes were made."

Michael Deaver's conviction for influence peddling, Lyn Nofziger's conviction for influence peddling, Caspar Weinberger's five-count indictment, Ed Meese ("You don't have many suspects who are innocent of a crime"), Donald Regan (women don't "understand throw-weights"), education cuts, massacres in El Salvador.

"The bombing begins in five minutes," $640 Pentagon toilet seats, African-American judicial appointees (1.9 percent), Reader's Digest, C.I.A.-sponsored car-bombing in Lebanon (more than eighty civilians killed), 200 officials accused of wrongdoing, William Casey, Iran/contra. "Facts are stupid things," three-by-five cards, the MX missile, Bitburg, S.D.I., Robert Bork, naps, Teflon.

http://www.alternet.org/story/18874
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:16 AM
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131. Drug tests for all
He wanted to be sure no one was smoking devil weed. I put a Hitler mustache on his picture and captioned it "Urine business is mein business."
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:07 AM
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139. Thanks for that amendment. Damage he wrought South of the Border should be...
at the top of the list!

Very inspiring post! I hope it wakes up a few who act as tho they never lived thru those years.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:10 AM
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124. Why don't we sent out chain emails with this?
Oh, right. It's the truth.

hint hint hint.

Fuck it, let's blast email this. Counter the standard uninformed anti-Dem this and anti-Dem that!
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:28 AM
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125. "Trickle Down" my a__.
His voodoo economics live on.
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ordinaryaveragegirl Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:37 AM
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126. Raygun sucked!!!
He was almost as much of a puppet as *. If it weren't for him, we wouldn't have been stuck with the wrath of the Chimp/Vader regime of the last several years. His policies were as back-asswards as he was. Trickle-down economics never trickled below the wealthy. More breaks for the rich and corporate, and a breakdown for the rest of us. And all that religious rhetoric. Sound familiar? Let's end this legacy of his...time to move it back to our side of the aisle, where people actually matter.

BTW - I was dumbfounded that someone like Obama would give him that much credit. Why??? :shrug:
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:45 AM
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128. I agree.
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justjones Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:56 AM
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129. Yet the new hospital on ucla's campus...
has been named ronald reagan medical center. it gives me pause every time i pass by the name prominently displayed on the new hospital.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:07 AM
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218. Ignore
For ignoramus.
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:57 AM
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130. Reagan sucks.
Without him, our country would be in a lot better shape right now.
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desertflamingo Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:09 AM
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133. OMG!!!
Oh... My... GOD!!! that was the most sick-awesome rant on ronald reagan EVER. oh, to have someone do the hard work for me and actually articulate all my most vile feelings for the "man" (note: term "man" used loosely) was just too fucking beautiful. thank you. and thank you again. :kick:
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:36 AM
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136. can't aruge with that
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:47 AM
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137. My obituary for Reagan! in case you missed it at the time...
Ronald Reagan's Painful Legacy: The Truth Hurts"

reagan-ears_jp60 (5k image)

It's important at times like these to not become confused. Ronald Reagan is dead. Don't be confused by the frail, sickly man with Alzheimer's that we have known since 1994. We offer this obituary as a laundry list of Reagan's evils. The great 'actor' had many and God knows you won't be hearing about them in the mainstream press. Here are the top 10:

1. CENTRAL AMERICAN POLICY

-In the name of rooting out Communism, the United States embarked on a policy of war crimes and genocide in the region. In Guatemala alone, tens of thousands of people were disappeared by their American directed government. It was the same for El Salvador, Nicaragua and Honduras. Today, many of the important people involved in these crimes are working for the George W. Bush administration.

2. MORTGAGING AMERICA'S FUTURE

-It wasn't wartime, but Reagan managed to more than triple the U.S. national debt during his time in office. At the same time, he left virtually no social program untouched. This left payments on the national debt the largest single item in the budget and has left America with a legacy that will last for hundreds of years.

3. DEINSTITUTIONALIZATION OF THE MENTALLY ILL

-Most care facilities (hospitals) for the mentally ill closed under the Reagan administration. This left "50,000 homeless mentally ill" on the streets in California alone. Across the country, the costs have been catastrophic.

4. REAGAN POLICY IN THE IRAN/IRAQ WAR

Here Reagan played a double game to keep either side from winning any of the crucial oil producing territory. The Soviet Union's support of Iraq forced to U.S. to secretly begin supplying Baghdad with weapons and expertise allowing Saddam Hussein to develop weapons of mass destruction which were eventually used against the Iranians and his own people. At the same time, we secretly sold weapons to Iran in order to fund our activities in Central America. The war was disastrous for both countries, stalling economic development and disrupting oil exports, and costing an estimated million lives. Iraq was left with serious debts to its former Arab backers, including $14 billion loaned by Kuwait, a debt which contributed to Hussein's 1990 decision to invade Kuwait. Reagan's actions prolonged the war and helped make it far more devastating.

5. STAR WARS

This didn't end the Cold War. Instead it wasted billions of American Taxpayer's dollars on an utter boondoggle. As such, Star Wars can be seen as a massive redistribution of wealth program from American tax payers to defese constractors.

6. THE IRAN/CONTRA AFFAIR

More criminality from Reagan and company. The Reagan administration, contrary to acts of Congress (specifically the 1982-1983 Boland Amendment), ferried funds and weaponry to the Contras gained by the sale of arms to Iran. The Contras, led by former members of the National Guard of the overthrown Somoza regime (1936-1979) received weapons and training from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, especially in guerrilla tactics such as destroying infrastructural elements and assassination... The United States Congress then on November 18, 1987 issued its final report on the affair, which stated that Reagan bore "ultimate responsibility" for wrongdoing by his aides and his administration exhibited "secrecy, deception, and disdain for the law." Oliver North and John Poindexter were indicted on charges of conspiracy to defraud the United States on March 16, 1988. Poindexter was convicted on several felony counts of lying to Congress, obstruction of justice, conspiracy, and altering and destroying documents pertinent to the investigation. He avoided jail time due to a legal technicality. Poindexter, Abrams, Negroponte and many others now work for George W. Bush.

7. INVADING GRENADA

In 1979 a bloodless coup, led by the revolutionary Maurice Bishop, toppled the government of Grenada to establish a communist society. Under Bishop, Grenada began construction of an international airport with the help of Cuba. To begin to establish a case for invasion, seven months before the operation began, Ronald Reagan pointed to this airport and several other sites as evidence of the potential threat posed by Grenada towards the United States. Reagan accused Grenada of constructing facilities to aid a Soviet/Cuban military build-up in the Caribbean.

Prime Minister Bishop went to Washington, D.C., to dispel these fears, but his government was later overthrown in a violent coup... The Cuban based turned out to be an airfield for tourism and the Medical School that was under 'threat' turned out to be under no threat at all. These Reagan theatrics helpd distract people from the killing of 242 marines in one bomb attack in Beirut.

8. THE UNDECLARED WAR ON LIBYA

The conflict began with aerial combat between two Libyan aircraft and two American naval aircraft over the Gulf of Sidra in August 1981, as the US Navy was conducting a Freedom of Navigation (FON) exercise to challenge Libyan claims to control what was legally international waters This was followed by a series of Libyan sponsored terrorist incidents, most notably the airport massacres in Rome and Vienna in late 1985 and further reassertions of claims to the Gulf of Sidra , this time with threats to attack any naval forces that crossed a so-called "Line of Death," a challenge the Reagan administration quickly took up. This resulted in another FON exercise (Prairie Fire) in March 1986 by the Navy, during which a couple of Libyan naval vessels were destroyed. A spate of terrorist attacks followed, culminating in the bombing of the La Belle Discotheque in Berlin on 5 April 1986, with over 200 casualties, among them 78 Americans. The conflict with Libya culminated a week later with a raid by US Navy carrier aircraft and Air Force bombers operating from Britain against selected targets, including Qaddafi's own residence, killing his adopted four year old daughter. The conflict then subsided, ending with a bizarre air battle off Tobruk on Jan. 4, 1989, in which two F-14's shot down two more Libyan aircraft ( Source).

9. THE RESPONSE TO AIDS

The conservative climate enabled the Reagan administration's indifference toward AIDS. The administration undercut federal efforts to confront AIDS in a meaningful way by refusing to spend the money Congress allocated for AIDS research. In the critical years of 1984 and 1985, according to his White House physician, Reagan thought of AIDS as though "it was measles and it would go away." Reagan's biographer Lou Cannon claims that the president's response to AIDS was "halting and ineffective." ( Source) His actions directly led to the rapid spread of AIDS in the United States. How many deaths did this indirectly cause?

10. REAGAN'S BITBURG VISIT

This had to be one of the lowest and most insensitive things he ever did. Most Americans had never heard of the SS, an abbreviation for Schutzstaffel, an elite unit of German soldiers, until May 1985 when President Ronald Reagan outraged the Jewish Community and created a huge controversy when he decided to bypass an invitation to tour the concentration camp at Dachau on a state visit to Germany and instead opted to visit a military cemetery in Bitberg, where German SS soldiers were buried. In defense of his visit, Reagan said, "There's nothing wrong with visiting that cemetery where those young men are victims of Nazis also...They were victims, just as surely as the victims of the concentration camps." Reagan had gotten his start in politics when he worked with the Screen Actor's Guild to expose Communists in the movie industry in the McCarthy era. The Schutzstaffel (Protection Squad) was started in April 1925 as a unit of personal body guards for Adolf Hitler who needed protection from the Communist protesters who tried to disrupt his political speeches for his Fascist party, the National Socialist German Workers Party, better known to Americans as the Nazis.

The occasion for Reagan's visit was the 40th anniversary of the end of World War II and he wanted to forget the Holocaust and show that Germany was now our Ally and a member of NATO. His purpose in visiting the graves of these German SS soldiers was to "demonstrate reconciliation and friendship" with the country that had murdered 6 million Jews. However, the soldiers that he was honoring at Bitberg were not the guards at the concentration camps, the infamous Death's Head unit, which was only one part of the SS; Reagan was paying tribute to the soldiers of the Waffen-SS (Weapons SS), an elite fighting unit which included volunteers from many countries who fought the Communists in Hitler's war against the Soviet Union, something that Reagan could certainly relate to...( Source

Rest in peace Mr. President... http://www.thesyndrome.com/archives/00000993.htm
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:36 AM
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144. But he did it "charmingly" and with "optimism" - it's what counts, non?
The teflon making never stopped - it just crossed the aisle, that's all.
:shrug:
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:01 AM
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210. This crosses the Rubicon for me and Obama... In 2004
I refused to consider Wesley Clark when I saw his comments about W prior to his run for President.

To judge Reagan as ANYTHING but a disaster for America needs to rethink what has happened since...

Can anyone rationally think we were better off with Reagan vs. Carter?

This speaks to the judgement of Senator Obama at a very basic level. Perhaps he is running for the nomination in the wrong party.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:09 AM
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157. Truth Hurts
The Kolmeshohe Military cemetary at Bitburg, Germany has 2000 graves of German war dead. 49 of these graves are of men that served in the SS. I seriously doubt Reagan visited the Kolmeshohe cemetary with the intent of honoring SS. If he wanted to do that there were other cemetaries in Germany that contain considerably higher numbers of SS graves.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:09 PM
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247. Thank you!
My hope is that they buried him face down with a stake through his heart.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:27 PM
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252. Someone should send this to Obama. This certainly was not
the change America was waiting or wanting. Can you imagine another Harvard educated person who thinks being president is theirs. Harvard needs to rethink their History courses.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:52 AM
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138. How Obama could feel anything but disgust is beyond me
:puke:
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:43 AM
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140. I am proud to give you rec #119!!!
You have spoken truth to power.
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:45 AM
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141. I agree. Fuck him in his rotten worm ridden asshole
Fuck him forever. I hate his stupid senile alzeimer addled brain. I would love to piss on his grave and exume his rotten cadaver and shit on his shrunken face.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:10 AM
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220. Hmmm
interesting. Are you posting for an audience elsewhere?

Ignore for ingnoramus...
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:43 AM
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339. ok, sorry. A bit over the top.
No, not meant for another audience. I hate Reagan, but I what I said was silly. I had a few drinks and posted that. I thought I was being funny and on second thought it was just disgusting. Sorry again.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:22 AM
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142. Obama's in the dog house and I couldn't agree w/ you more
For Obama, or ANY Democratic presidential hopeful to invoke his name in any way other than as the clear anti-matter to what this country needs in a President is absolutely unacceptable. Obama didn't have my primary vote before and now he has cemented my feeling that he is just too conciliatory. We need a strong President who will work to put ALL of America back on the right path out of the morass but, who knows the principles we are fighting for and is willing to call bullshit when needed.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:32 AM
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143. K&R! Reagan sucked the Rat's ASS.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:39 AM
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145. MLK on Reagan (during his FAILED bid for presidency, I think)
"When a Hollywood performer, lacking distinction even as an actor, can become a leading war hawk candidate for the presidency, only the irrationalities induced by war psychosis can explain such a turn of events."
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:28 AM
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176. Or to quote Derek Flint, circa 1967:
"An actor as president?"
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:21 AM
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190. Wow, now that's a boffo quote!
Thanks for it.

Gotta run off and start a "quotes" folder or something to save it in... :-)
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:45 AM
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146. How to defeat Obama: just let him open his mouth.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:08 AM
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148. K & R
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:08 AM
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149. Thanks for the rant. What an insult Obama made to all of us
who have lived our lives under Reagan and the disasters that senile bastard unleashed on our country. Obama should read a book. "When the Pentagon was for Sale" details how under St. Reagan the military lost any control over the defense contractors, kicking off the corruption we're still reaping today. But that's just one of Reagan's accomplishments.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:47 AM
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153. This says it...
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:50 AM
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154. 3 little wooooords, oh how I love those 3 little wooooords....
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personman Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:07 AM
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156. K&R
Presidents in general are scum. In fact they are the best of the scum, that's how they get in office. The "cream of the scum crop"...if you will.

That said, Reagan actually makes some of them look somewhat human by comparison...scary stuff.

- personman

"America is just the country that shows how all the written guarantees in the world for freedom are no protection against tyranny and oppression of the worst kind. There the politician has come to be looked upon as the very scum of society. The peoples of the world are becoming profoundly dissatisfied and are not appeased by the promise of the social-democrats to patch up the State into a new engine of oppression."

- Peter Kropotkin, 1891
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:16 AM
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158. BUT HE COULD DO ONE THING NO OTHER PRESIDENT COULD--->
IN HIS LATER YEARS, RONALD WAS THE ONLY PRESIDENT CAPABLE OF HIDING HIS OWN JELLYBEANS AT EASTER
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:22 AM
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159. "We may be the generation that sees Armageddon."
~ Reagan during 1980 interview by televangelist Jim Bakker.

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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:44 AM
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161. FABULOUS Rant. You should send it to Obama campaign.
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dingaling Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:46 AM
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162. Obama
is trying to transcend race lines. Now that he has succeeded (somewhat), he is trying to transcend party lines. Fuck him. I think he was trying to put Clinton down more than he was trying to praise Reagan. He couldnt find anyone else to compare to Clinton I guess. A President that is always trying to play all the angles is no good. We need someone that is going to make a clean break from the past. Edwards is the man. I hope the democratic voters figure that out.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:46 AM
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163. Don't forget Ronnie & Nancy's love of astrology--which was the first step on the way
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 07:46 AM by mnhtnbb
to disclaiming science.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:47 AM
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164. i agree - so does obama - obamas remarks were BRILLIANT
politicallly
let hillary come out and BASH (deservedly) raygun - she'll further alienate herself from the centrists she adores and needs!
edwards - well edwards has already bashed raygun - he never had the centrist

obama is politically more appealing now to millions of raygunites

we know he doesn't and would never govern like ronny!
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:36 PM
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326. Yeah, Obama should praise every evil, racist bag of puke leader - IT'S BRILLIANT
He could get the KKK vote by praising Hitler as a misunderstood guy who just wanted CHANGE.


How many flavors does that kool-aid come in?
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wizstars Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:48 AM
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165. I heartily second the motion! n/t
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:50 AM
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166. K&R Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! FUCK RUINGUN!
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flasoapbox Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:09 AM
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171. BLASPHEMY!!!
LOL. To hear the right-wingers tell it, Reagan was the greatest statesman of the
20th century, rather than the nauseating, know-nothing gasbag he was.
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:10 AM
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172. Anyone worth their salt knows this, it's the fool who does not
acknowledge the truth, even about dead presidents. Pandering looks bad on everyone, and if you have to resort to it you will be easily defeated.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:13 AM
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173. Unnecessariy, inappropriate language...
Renders the post unworthy of reading!!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:15 AM
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224. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:42 PM
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255. You're living up to the subject of this thread...thank you.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:56 PM
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275. Disengenous Nit Picking
Glossing over reality won't help detract from the man you try to defend. Get used to it.... could be much much worse.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:59 PM
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335. Disengenuous projection
WHERE did I try to defend Reagan? Is that a guilty conscience projecting?

All I object to is the post being laced with unnecessary profanity, introduced by the vile subject. Relegates the post, which may have some useful substance, to the raving of an adolescent.

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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:51 AM
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340. Go away, George.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:43 AM
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343. Why? Because I don't participate in the filth spewed here?
I'm sure I was here LONG before you arrived. Maybe I should report YOUR post to the moderators, too?
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:35 PM
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348. Why not compare profiles, George?

And feel free to report whatever you wish to whomever you wish.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:31 PM
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349. I started reading here back in 2002
And only started posting in 2005 when the foulest "Democrats" began to take over and make DU careers out of putting down DEMOCRATS.

Why not read the rules of this site, eh mini-mouse?
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:17 AM
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362. And how long do you think, dear, that I have been reading it?

Hm?
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:02 AM
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363. My honest answer could get me banned!
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:43 PM
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365. Go for it.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:22 AM
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174. Proud to K&R!
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:25 AM
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175. Yeah!
What you said!

:yourock: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :yourock:
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:31 AM
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177. Reagan changed a lot of things.
So did Adolf Hitler.
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crud76 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:34 AM
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180. Very Good!
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 09:05 AM by crud76
I have to add that this guy was a poor kid who lucked out and earned a lot of money in spite of his acting ability as a member - and later president - of a union (the Screen Actor's Guild), invested well, became wealthy, then became president, busted a union (PATCO), started what is now called "free trade," sent jobs out of the country, encouraged an environment of "downsizing" and then told the poor and newly poor to pull themselves up "by their bootstraps" like he liked to believe he did.

Scum.

:kick:

Thank you for this thread.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:41 AM
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181. I just hope lurkers see this and read it to understand the real history
oh what the hell I will recommend it too
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:49 AM
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182. NO love, NO lube, not even a reacharound...
Fuck Ronald Reagan!!!!!!!!!
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:26 AM
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192. Ketchup is a vegetable.
So was Reagan.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:32 AM
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195. Ha..yeah I forgot about that one! Always putting "children first!" Ugh..
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:30 AM
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193. I will give that a 165th rec
I will always remember what he did to this nation second only to the bu$h regime
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:38 AM
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196. Thank you--thank you--thank you
I was already an adult during the Reagan era, and it always puzzled me when media figures kept referring to Ronnie as "the most popular president since World War II."

It was only after he was safely out of office that the New York Times admitted that his popularity was, in fact, only average.

He was a stupid, shallow man who had one acting shtick that he did very well, playing the genial, folksy guy next door. Otherwise, he wasn't even a particularly good actor.

It makes me sick that there are alleged Democrats who think he "wasn't so bad" or who act is if his economic and foreign policies are essential parts of the Democratic platform.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:54 AM
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202. Ronald was the one that set my course
of political affiliation! I wasn't attentive, politically speaking, until he steered the country down the wrong tracks. Then I KNEW the GOP wasn't representative of how my mind works. Please! No more "acting" presidents! :puke:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:57 AM
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204. K and R
Thank you...my first read of the day and today is my b-day...what an awesome present! I believe your disgust with ronnie and his ilk matches mine.

Better yet, may he never be fucked again! And it is at these times that I do hope there is a hell.

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:57 AM
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205. I'd recommend this thread a million times
Nobody who wants to court progressive voters should ever conjurer the image of this horrible person as part of their campaign - NO ONE
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:03 AM
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213. John Mellencamp wrote a great song about him: "Country Gentleman"
Country gentleman walked a crooked mile,
Got our money in his pocket.
Did it all with a very handsome smile.
Now, he's livin' it up in a great big office.

He ain't a-gonna help no poor man.
He ain't a-gonna help no poor man.
He ain't a-gonna help no poor man.
He's just gonna help his rich friends.

He ain't a-gonna help no women.
He ain't a-gonna help no children.
He's just gonna help his rich friends.

Country gentleman, we see him on TV,
Glad handin' folks and chattin' to the nation.
We never knew what really to believe.
Just word upon slogan with emotional connection.

He ain't a-gonna help no poor man.
He ain't a-gonna help no children.
He ain't a-gonna help no women.
He's just gonna help his rich friends.

And in the papers all we'd ever read is
So and so big-shot signed his resignation.
Now, country gentleman he wants us to believe
That he's kind and honest with the best intentions.

He ain't a-gonna help no poor man.
He ain't a-gonna help no children.
He ain't a-gonna help no women.
He's just gonna help his rich friends.

Country gentleman, now there's a bird that flew
High above his nation, preyed on its weakness.
Picked our bones and threw it in his stew.
Thank God he went back to California.

He ain't a-gonna help no poor man.
He ain't a-gonna help no children.
He ain't a-gonna help no women.
He's just gonna help his rich friends.

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:14 AM
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222. The Dead Kennedy's had a few also :)
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:06 AM
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215. Still some stuff left out:
(Wow! Nearly 200 posts and these points haven't been brought up directly yet!)

1) Falling for proto-Neocon hysterics about the Soviets hook, line, and sucker

Remember WHY he wanted to increase military spending? because the Big Bad Bear was just slavering to swarm through the Fulda Gap, if only their "freeznik" dupes could get rid of the Pershing missles... Victory for the "Team B Analysis", no matter how wrong it was.

2) Politication of Intelligence

OK, the Operations side of the CIA were always "frat boys with guns and no honor", but the Analysis side was filled with people like Ray McGovern who had an ethic of providing the president and Congress with the most accurate information possible, regardless of what it said. Casey, Bush, and other TEAM RON members didn't care for that since it didn't help them sell their pet policies. Solution? Put in people who know how to Get With The Program.

That's been just soooooo successful, hasn't it? Thank YOU, Ron Reagan.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:07 AM
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217. Don't forget this gem - who gave Saddam his WMD
:shrug:
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:52 AM
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232. ...Even after the attack on the USS Stark
Not to mention his disgusting reaction to the USS Vincennes' shootdown of an Iranian civillian airliner.

The honorable thing to do would have been to admit to a tragic mistake and offer reparations to the families and an apology to the people of Iran (as distinct from its government).

Anything less was unworthy of all those good things we tell ourselve about America and Americans. And Reagan gave us that "less". Much less.

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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:12 AM
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221. "Bait and Switch" Economics
Those tax cuts were sold on the notion that our industrial plant was older than out competitors (most of whom had to rebuild entirely after WW2), and needed updating. The lower taxes would free up money for corporations and investors to build new plants and save jobs.

Instead, most of the money went into corporate Merger-mania and buyouts, and the exploration of new ways to shuffle money into their pockets. And when new plants were built, it was in Mexico or elsewhere overseas, not here.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:14 AM
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223. Thank you. Fuck niceties. I'm sick of being told to play nice with scum.
There's a time and a place... and we're DONE ceding ideological ground out of "politeness".
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:31 AM
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226. They were a brood of pathetic hatefilled homophobic warmongering Neocon scum
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 10:32 AM by RestoreGore
And any Democrat who praises them or Reagan is no real Democrat in my book. Recommended.
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tigervalentine Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:37 AM
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227. are you thinking obama praised RR?
Listen to the whole thing. Obama merely said that RR brought about change because the nation happened to be ready for change. And we're ready for change now--but we need the right leader.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:44 AM
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230. Sidestepping the issue of which Dem is the "right" - or "wrong" - leader...
...an assortment of pundits and spin doctors who oppose any change we'd like to make are taking the opportunity to polish the halo on Holy St. Ron's memory again.

And that's what's being fought here. This thread is not about Obama or anyone else. Just Reagan, and reminding people he wasn't the Messiah his wannabe heirs want to make everyone believe he was.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:54 PM
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272. Hell yea. Fuck Raygun.
Its sad that I have but 1 rec. to give.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:27 AM
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239. 'but we need the right leader.'
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 11:28 AM by Bluebear
You're right. John Edwards.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:58 AM
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233. I hated that fucker almost as much as I hate little lord pissy pants!
That's a lot of hate!!

Fuck Reagan.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:59 AM
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234. K&R
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Duncan Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:14 AM
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236. TEL IT !
Good post.
This should be posted every reagns birthday and any time there the big Reagan lie is in the news.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:14 AM
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237. Tell Us How You Really Feel n/t
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:33 AM
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241. Bonzo Boy broke America and Bush is burying it. nt
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 11:39 AM by valerief
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:52 AM
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242. He had a head that was balder than a bowling ball.
Yet the media still talks about his HAIR. Jeesh.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:54 AM
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243. That did it for Obama for me, even if he DOES get the nomination... Reagan killed my brother!
I can NEVER vote for ANYONE who thinks that Raygun was any sort of a decent president.
Because of that dirtbag, my brother died!
He would not fund AIDS research. He said it was "gay cancer." That rat bastard! My brother got a bad blood transfusion, and was QUITE heterosexual.

I would like for that creep to know this in his damn grave, and EVERYONE. He killed thousands, by not funding research at the CDC.


I didn't like Raygun in the first place, for all the other reasons mentioned here, but this one is PERSONAL! I shall never in my life, ever vote for anyone who says that Raygun was a good president, because, in effect, he killed my brother!
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:56 AM
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244. The homage to Ronnie in DC is the result of Nancy working overtime. Reagan airport?
Please. I only refer to it as "National". After Chimpy, Worst President Ever. Or maybe they are tied for the honor.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:18 PM
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250. I will not fuck Ronald Reagan on a train...I will not fuck Ronald Reagan on a plane.
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MarinCoUSA Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:21 PM
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251. And carried to the gates of Hell by the child angels of El Mozote.
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 12:21 PM by MarinCoUSA
fuck ronnie! Indeed
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:50 PM
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268. Close the School of the Assassins!
The Truth of El Mozote
http://www.markdanner.com/articles/show/the_truth_of_el...

"In the United States, however, Rufinas account of what had happened at El Mozote appeared on the front pages of the Washington Post and the New York Times, at the very moment when members of Congress were bitterly debating whether they should cut off aid to a Salvadoran regime so desperate that it had apparently resorted to the most savage methods of war. El Mozote seemed to epitomize those methods, and in Washington the story heralded what became perhaps the classic debate of the late Cold War: between those who argued that, given the geopolitical stakes in Central America, the United States had no choice but to go on supporting a friendly regime, however disreputable it might seem, because the alternative the possibility of another Communist victory in the region was clearly worse, and those who insisted that the country must be willing to wash its hands of what had become a morally corrupting struggle. Rufinas story came to Washington just when the countrys paramount Cold War national-security concerns were clashing as loudly and unambiguously as they ever would during four decades with its professed high-minded respect for human rights.

In the United States, the free press was not to be denied: El Mozote was reported; Rufinas story was told; the angry debate in Congress intensified. But then the Republican Administration, burdened as it was with the heavy duties of national security, denied that any credible evidence existed that a massacre had taken place; and the Democratic Congress, after denouncing, yet again, the murderous abuses of the Salvadoran regime, in the end accepted the Administrations certification that its ally was nonetheless making a significant effort to comply with internationally recognized human rights. The flow of aid went on, and soon increased.

By early 1992, when a peace agreement between the government and the guerrillas was finally signed, Americans had spent more than four billion dollars funding a civil war that had lasted twelve years and left seventy-five thousand Salvadorans dead. By then, of course, the bitter fight over El Mozote had largely been forgotten; Washington had turned its gaze to other places and other things. For most Americans, El Salvador had long since slipped back into obscurity. But El Mozote may well have been the largest massacre in modern Latin-American history. That in the United States it came to be known, that it was exposed to the light and then allowed to fall back into the dark, makes the story of El Mozote how it came to happen and how it came to be denied a central parable of the Cold War."


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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:06 PM
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260. He never was my type!
At least he a Jerry can afford to stay warm where they went!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:07 PM
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262. He's no good...
He just lays there!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:10 PM
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263. I have hated Ronald Reagan since he called out the national guard on us when he was governor.
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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:20 PM
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265. No thanks - not even when he was alive.
:scared: :puke: ;)

I'm too young to remember the Reagan years, but my parents speak of him with nothing but disdain. :hi: Peace.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:40 PM
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266. Uhm
well said! ;)
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 06:17 PM
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366. Thank you!
(shameless self kick) :)
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:50 PM
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269. With interest plus tax!
:)
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:54 PM
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273. Why do some people idolize him? Because he gave justification to
their ignorance and bigotry.
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:56 PM
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274. Fuck him with a rusty spoon.
Of course the problem is 100 years from now History books will put him down as this great leader and no one will know the truth. I fear the same will happen with GWB.


Fun fact: What do Denny Kucinich and him have in common? They both saw UFOs.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:35 PM
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279. I can't disagree with you
You're right on the money about that old douchebag. However, I think the current maniac in chief eclipses Raygun. He took every gawd-awful attribute of Raygun and raised it along a logarithmic scale. He's Raygun on unholy steroids.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:37 PM
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280. That's necrophilia,man. Isn't Huckabee gonna change the Constitution to outlaw that?
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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:46 PM
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283. AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON!! (no not Nancy)
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:52 PM
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284. The horror of it all.
My friend was over for dinner and tv last night. He was 17 at the time (I was 30), remembers Reagan fondly as a good president.

My friend is buddies with a couple of mentally ill homeless guys he talks to at the bus stop (only there because there are no state hospitals for them), and one of his friends was so depressed with having aids that he suicided by setting himself on fire.

I reminded him of his stand on aids and mental illness and he just said yeah, but he was a still a good president.

I just shook my head sadly, let it go and we went back to watching Ugly Betty. When I switched to Keith Olbermanm he decide to leave because he didn't understand this stuff I was into. I teased him that I could explain it to him, but he said nah, he wouldn't because I won't watch football with him.

Is there something in the water or the vaccinations younger folk had to have?
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:03 PM
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286. I was also about 17 (maybe 16)
and I knew at the time he was bad - but not quite how bad. So its not the water or the vaccinations. I think its the parenting. My parents taught me values (compassion, help those worse off, protect the little guy, protect the environment, etc). They also talked politics regularly in front of me. It probably helped that my Dad was a professor and taught at a university in the Middle East for the first 11 years of my life but their progressive ideology existed long before they went overseas.
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:21 PM
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291. Sorry I generalized.
You're right, not every young person is/was oblivious. But so many seem to be, and it's just frustrating when even those who lived through those times and were affected by them call us "boomers who are living in the past".

It brings back one of the memes of the sixties that I regret. "Don't trust anyone over 30!" Now it seems to have become. "Don't trust anyone over 50." A little bit of Karma coming back to bite us old hippies in the butt, hey? :)

I hate this generational divide that seems to be developing. I now (kinda) understand why my parents were so frustrated at me at the time.
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:30 AM
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361. That's OK
I wasn't trying to say you were generalizing ... just that is wasn't in the water, per se :) I do think my parents were unusual. I do remember trying to explain to my boyfriend at the time (we were in the same econ class) that Reagan was going to cause another depression cause he was bringing back all the policies in place in the early 1900's and he was completely clueless.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:58 PM
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285. But, did you mention --
fuck Ronald Reagan? Just making sure.
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:08 PM
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287. Reagan built the coffin
the virus currently in the White House nailed on the lid.

Actually, I think Bush is worse because while Reagan was an ideological prick, I think Bush is a bona fide psychopath. Reagan hated and didn't care about suffering. Bush ENJOYS suffering.
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toughboy Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:25 PM
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292. K and R times five
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:48 PM
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294. K&R
Captures perfectly the abject filth and corruption of the era. And well expresses the contempt that is due.
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:56 PM
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295. kick...
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:05 PM
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296. Reagan's funeral -- saddest day
The day of Reagan's funeral was one of the saddest days for me. I waited and waited for someone to have the presence of mind to drive a fucking stake through his heart - but no one did. We will pay for that mistake.

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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:23 PM
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301. Excellent, Nicho.
Maybe no one wanted to waste the silver.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:07 PM
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297. Raygun was Bush Srs puppet,
and Quayle was Bush Srs life insurance policy. Now Bush Jr is Cheneys puppet with Bush Srs strings to connect them....
The power structure here has lost all resemblance to a democracy or a republic since the 80's.
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SecularMotion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:49 PM
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298. Kick
:kick:
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Herman74 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:06 PM
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299. Reagan tried to overthrow a democratically elected government...
..., namely, Nicaragua, and replace it with a military dictatorship. In my mind this was the single worst thing that he did, and it's no surprise that the World Court (or International Court of Justice, something like that) fined the United States $17 billion for it (I don't think the U.S. has ever paid it).

It's sad that the Republicans have such a problem with democracy. Ike overthrowing democratically elected governments in Guatemala and Iran, Nixon intervening in Chile, Reagan giving it a try in Nicaragua, and Chimpy having his buddies shut down the vote count in Florida.
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ac-n-nc Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:14 PM
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300. Reagan / Bush years sucked !!
The damage those 2 did was being repaired by the Clinton years and then "The Newt Contract on America", and then The. Worst. President. Ever. Republicans are corrupt .
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:40 PM
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305. When he didn't want to answer a question, he always pointed to
his ear and shook his head-- with a wide grin. He got out of
having to respond to a lot of tough questions that way.

I also remember his wonderful quote, "You see one redwood,
you've seen them all." :dunce:

What a piece of work.

:kick:
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:54 PM
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308. And...
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 05:55 PM by ClericJohnPreston
shame on any so-called Democrat who would laud Reagan, while throwing LIBERALS and all they fought for under the bus, simply for the expediency of pandering for crossover votes!

SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:15 PM
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314. During the Reagan era, my union was forced to take three different
wage and benefit concessions. They still closed down the plant and moved operations to Mexico. Wasn't enough to exploit the cheap Indiana labor, they had to go to Mexico and do it down there too!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:29 PM
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319. Ronald Reagan was a festering bucket of pus
and the media traitors have propagandized the plebes into thinking he was great.
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leftcoastie Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:32 PM
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320. Thanks Truth2Tell for the history review
** "Then there was Iran-Contra - the infamous orgy of unfettered criminality at the heart of the Reagan legacy. Again, look it up. Rogues, liars, crooks, murderers and ignorant heartless scum surrounded Reagan at all times. Alli Babba would've been shamed. But Ronald Reagan was shameless." **

And... some of those scumbags are still around ... Ambassador of Death, John Negroponte has never been convicted on his knowledge of torture in Honduras, kinda in the same league as Dubya.

Reagan's administration (with Bush Sr. at the helm) started the nearly 30 year madness this country has endured. It's time to put these f**kers to bed. Let them (Reagan and Bush and their cohorts) rot in the history pages with other 20th century despots, Hitler, Stalin, Pot and Amin.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:36 PM
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325. The most dangerously placed,
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 07:37 PM by Truth2Tell
under-recognized, sociopathic holdover is Elliot Abrams, IMO. I grew into a political junkie watching the Iran Contra hearings and I've never been able to kick the habit. Abrams made the strongest impression on me of all the trash that paraded across our TeeVees that fateful year. Smart as a whip, conniving, ruthless, slick as grease, and amoral as a giant desert scorpion. And now he has almost unfettered control of U.S foreign policy in the ME. Fucking criminal scum. Opps, there I go cussing again. :P
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Mendocino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:02 PM
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321. When he kicked off his campaign,
in Neshoba County Mississippi, and gave a thinly veiled "code speech' on state rights, this country should of known then and there.

(Neshoba County is where Freedom Summer volunteers Mickey Schwerner, James Chaney and Andrew Goodman were murdered by the KKK in 1964)
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:28 PM
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324. Glad to see ther are some who will not commence in the corpse humping the media does.
Of course we are just lowly citizens, so it doesn't matter what we say. I really don't understand it though, he did nothing right, he began this country on is lightning fast downward spiral, but he got Mr. Gorbechev to tear down that wall. Or was it a bunch of citizens that finally did it? right.

:hi:
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:39 PM
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327. We are here and good and pissed off!
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Blue Fire Donating Member (588 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:45 AM
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337. Fuckin' Beautiful, man! Beautiful!
FUCK RAYGUN!!
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:33 PM
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328. I can't believe Obama thinks this SOB was some kind of role model!
Jesus fucking christ, what the hell!
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:17 PM
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332. Worst. President. Ever.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:06 AM
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338. 2nd worst!
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:53 AM
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344. Reagan was a Grinning, Smiling, Horrific Ice-Cold Bastard
Ronald Reagan was one of the worst, and probably the most corrupt and criminal, of all Presidents/Administrations, committed countless outrageous acts, and yet because of an almost total monopoly-ownership of media by the same extremist capitalist Republicans--with censorship of what happened, lies and glossing-over, and a refusal to clear anything up anymore--it has become impossible for anyone who was not there, to understand or even remember anymore, what happened.

One important point that has to be made, is that many of the most threatening violations of law and the Constitution, began with Reagan; they were not thought up by Bush, Rove, etc. They came out of the Reagan Administration, along with many of the actual people. Reagan was the first of the modern era to try to simply gut and kill Federal departments, not fund them, and appoint incompetants, lobbyists or crooks, to "run" them. The first to completely fake Government statistics, and to place more attention on how a story was "spun" than to governing. There were so many crimes, scandals, indicted/imprisoned Reagan Administration officials that it would be impossible to catalogue the entire story--an issue of "Time" Magazine from the mid-'80s called "Whatever Happened to Ethics?" or something like that, detailed the immorality up to that point; I used to have that magazine--and it was known at the time how horrific it all was, but since then, la-de-da, fairy dust, no one remembers.

During the early 1980s, Reagan moved to cut people off of their Medicare and Medicaid, with huge (one-day!) public, Congressional hearings. Cancer patients were wheeled in on their beds to testify (this was when the media used to cover the news); it killed the threat, but Republicans never repeated the mistake of doing these things publicly. The huge, continuing tax shift from rich people and corporations to the middle class and poor, began here. Things that had never been taxed before--like the collected tips for underpaid waitresses!--now were, and middle-class tax deductions, such as moderate donations to charity, were suddenly not deductible anymore. The cold, heartless capitalists reasserted themselves--gaudy wealth was now no longer considered immoral; Nancy Reagan redecorated the White House for $1 million just at one spurt, and other profligate spending at other times. Statistics were now faked: the military was now counted as among the employment number, and people working as little as one hour a week were counted as employed, falsely lowering it. Unemployment benefits were cut, and other new rules for pay: cashiers at stores, who up until then had made a good living at it, were suddenly, 1981, busted back to poverty-level minimum wage, and overtime was not automatically paid at time-and-a-half or double-time, sometimes it was at the same rate as usual, previously illegal. The PATCO union was busted, and other large strikes, (by miners, etc.), were broken up, rather than renegotiated, as before.

The budgets of all programs related to poverty and helping people with direct cash payments were all gutted, there were attempts to kill the Dept. of Education (Reagan called it "subsidized curiosity") and the Dept. of Commerce which oversees business (and corporate crime). Clarence Thomas--yes, that one--now headed the Equal Employment Opportunites Commission, can you imagine! Poverty went up, jobs programs and education programs were cut; food stamps and hand-outs of food to the poor, cut.

They militarily built up Saddam Hussein, al Qaeda, the Contra death squads, then refused to testify at Congressional hearings, going to jail instead. They illegally mined the harbors of Nicaragua, propped up dictatorships around the world on the basis of commercial trade, and turned European opinion against us, as being as bad as the Soviet Union, for the first time--I remember the protests.

They refused to carry out any environmental laws, and you might remember Anne Gorsuch Berford and her assistant Rita Lavelle being convicted of lying before Congress and refusing to turn over documents about how hazardous wastes were being stored; they lost their jobs. For the first time since the passage of Clean Air/Clean Water laws, commercial pollution, oil spills, dumping into waters, and the rest, went unpunished and not cleaned up. Corporate executives and lobbyists started to head these departments themselves, a trend that increased since. Lying to Congress, not providing documents, "taking the fifth" before Congress, all these became standard, and happened over and over again.

For the first time, abortion clinics were not protected by the Federal Government, and attacks, bombings, murders, protests that increased to stalking and threats, began to flourish. The hysterical anti-abortion terrorism that became such a threat to liberty, began here. They had free reign. Civil rights/anti-discrimination laws were not followed, and cases not filed, as now. They just stopped doing it! You might also remember that the Reagan Administration, as now, was also found to have been spying on the American people by way of the FBI--tapping phone calls, reading letters and other paper communications, infiltrating groups, and it all began, if I remember correctly, with protesters against the Nicaragua/El Salvador interference. You might remember that when the American nuns were raped, tortured and murdered in El Salvador, Gen. Alexander Haig testified that "maybe they ran a red light, or a stop sign."

This was the first of the modern era of ignoring all laws for the sake of commerce--all mergers were approved, even when there was concern from judges, advocacy groups, etc.; they were all just rammed through. Attorney General Ed Meese tried to kill the Miranda warning for arrested suspects by not enforcing against violations of it by police, and had to be stopped by a judge.

The frightening recession that is just starting now, was exactly like the two severe recessions under Reagan, both caused by tax cuts for rich people, and both solved by tax increases for rich people. There were the S&L scandals, other banking and stock market scandals, exactly like the ones now, deregulation, etc.

Upon taking office, Reagan remarked to the outgoing President, Jimmy Carter, a real Christian, at being impressed with how the murderous dictator Pol Pot of Cambodia managed to get all dissidents and opponents drafted into the army and killed. I remember the Phil Donahue (early 1980s) where Carter expressed flabbergasted shock at that horrific remark. The media fell asleep, again (in between dick-sucks). Reagan used to play this game of pretending not to have heard a question, grinning, smiling, like "can't hear you," and the media fell for it and did not know what to do, every time.

The debt came from Reagan, the deficit increased under Reagan, the inequality of pay for work and taxes on work or wealth, all came from this era, changing all previous policy back to the 1800s Gilded Age. The only reason why there was not aa Era of Horror then, as we have now, was that the Supreme Court, groups filing class action lawsuits,and occasionally the Democratic Congress, fought back routinely and killed these things before they could really grow. You have to read a book or two to really get the scope of all the lawbreaking and outrages committed here. This Administration had the largest number of indicted and imprisoned officials of any, ever--if it is no longer the record, it is only because the current Administration, made up of many of the same people, passed it. Reagan is a hated prick, for a reason.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:31 PM
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351. Ditto...
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:32 PM
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352. Ditto...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:48 PM
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355. I think we should just keep this thread kicked in perpetuity.
:kick:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:51 PM
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356. :)
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SecularMotion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:17 PM
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358. I agree
:kick:
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:31 PM
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360. I'm OK with that
:)

I should add, if I had expected in my wildest dreams that this post - which I cranked out on an angry whim - would get 230 recs, I would've at least corrected my grammatical errors. Ahh well, I guess you never know what's gonna catch people's attention. Maybe it's like they say - just use "fuck" in the subject line and you'll rocket to the top of the greatest page. :P
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focusfan Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:14 AM
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364. Finally the truth about Regan,Now someone tell the truth about Poppy Bush and Tricky Dicky Nixon
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:19 AM
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367. Kick for the Trolls.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:16 PM
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371. an evil man who unfortunately had the one qualification for a happy life, a bad memory
when i wonder how evil people live with themselves, i think of reagan and understand

justice was never served for the evil reagan did or the many thousands of innocent central americans directly murdered by his actions

i agree that he's there with hitler, stalin, and the rest of that ilk, he was the happy smiling face of genocide if you ask me
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