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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:00 PM
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Poll question: Do you believe in ghosts?
My wife and I like to watch some "ghost" shows, like, 'A Haunting' and 'Most Haunted Places'. For a long time, most of my life, I've been kind of agnostic about ghosts - not sure if they existed, never really experienced anything 'paranormal' in my life that couldn't be explained through observation and reason.

Anyway, we started watching a new "research" show called, "Paranormal State." And after watching a few episodes, I have come to the conclusion that ghosts, do not exist as paranormal phenomenon.

Don't get me wrong - the show purports a belief in ghosts, psychics, the supernatural. But after watching this show, I just can't believe any longer.

Why? Because at the end of every show, they "solve" every haunting by throwing the Catholic religion at the ghosts.

Since I don't buy into Christianity any more than I buy into Greek gods, I have reluctantly decided this ghost thing must be, pretty much, bullshit.

So what do you think? Do you believe in ghosts? If you do believe in ghosts, have you ever had a paranormal experience?
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:01 PM
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1. I like
Ghost in the Machine

:)
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:05 PM
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2. My wife and I
have been watching Ghost Hunters and just about any and everything about the paranormal lately. You know what else is good JFN1, is A Haunting . What I like about it is even though they do dramatisations they have the real people commenting along...after watch so many of these shows it's hard to dismiss it anymore. When I was a kid my bed would shake-something unseen scared the crap out of me
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:07 PM
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4. problem
with the shows is they can all be faked. Do I believe, nah. I'm like the first poster. But, I can sure scare myself about nothing if it's late enough and I just watch one of those shows.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:19 PM
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10. Ghost Hunters were in our town to do a show on two possibly haunted
buildings.

My husband works in the first building and while Ghost Hunters did find some anomolies, they were not able to say that it was not haunted or that it was. They only spend one night in the investigated sites.

The second building, which they investigated came up as haunted beyond a doubt.

(I'm not going to mention the name of the town or the sites.)

From my husband's experience with the GHOST HUNTERS, I would say they are legit and do not fake their findings.

Most of what they find that cannot be explained is left up to the viewer to decide.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 11:58 PM
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88. One of their groups went to my sis' house
Not the guys that are on the show but their counterparts in another state...she said they were a wonderful group of people and it felt good to talk to people who understood what was going on in her house.

She had stuff disappear from her pantry (couldn't find the sugar, reached up to move the peanut butter jar to look for it..not there. Went shopping that night to get more sugar, came home and the old sugar was sitting right in front of peanut butter--no way she could have missed it. Bread on the counter one night, gone the next morning, reappears that same morning. Bright light shining under her daughter's door in the middle of the night, open the door, room dark..no TV on, daughter asleep; dryer door found open after she had secured it and started dryer--nothing hard in the dryer that would push it open). Her daughter has seen the outline of a woman holding the hand of a little girl in her room when she awoke at night a few times.

ANYway, she asked that the group in her state come out, they did, sis left them there at her house. They sat in the dark and all saw a "shadow" enter the foyer and go around the corner. They shined some sort of beam from their special equipment on the foyer where they saw the "shadow" and it "broke" the beam light they had...meaning it wasn't just a shadow, it must have had some form to it, I guess? They live out in the country so it was pitch dark, no outside lights or people wandering by the house.

They suggested burning fresh sage around the house and placing crosses in each room.


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OH, and on a side note--anyone with a digital clock/radio at their bedside may want to move it FAR from their bed/head...their EMF detector found high EMF levels coming out of her kid's clock radio and said that night after night exposure to such levels has been known to cause neuro problems.





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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:32 PM
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25. Indeed - BUT
I have captured EVP's myself (was tired of listening to other peoples' stuff and investigated on my own). I have one online, but not my best one (best ones are on my server which will take some new parts to fix after the move here).

As I said downstream - I don't know what they are, but have spent a good deal of time in the past collecting EVP's (not to mention personal experiences).

As a Christian, it makes no sense to me (you either go to heaven, paradise, or sleep until end times), and as someone who tries to think with a science mind it makes no sense either. But there it is - and i have heard it for myself.

What it is...I don't know (I only have conjecture).
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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 01:30 AM
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95. EVPs, me too!
I have captured them too. Whistling, laughing, talking which I can't explain. Were they the sounds of spirits? Or perhaps beings living on a different plain? I don't know. :shrug:
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miles 2 go Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:50 PM
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18. Just wondering, did u feel paralyzed at the time?
Unable to move? Unable to scream?
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:07 PM
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3. I'm troubled by the terms "paranormal" and "supernatural"
If ghosts exist, they are both normal and natural, and normal and natural models can explain them, even if they're not the normal and natural models we have now.

I think we have all experienced that some places have a creepy or scary "feel". Something must cause that: environmental factors, barely-audible noises, race memories (if those exist), etc. It just seems a question of degree to graduate from a creepy feeling to the perception of an apparition.

Interesting question C.S. Lewis once asked: why are we scared of ghosts? We aren't particularly scared that they will "do something" to us -- they won't suck out blood like vampires or eat us like werewolves. We are simply scared that there is a ghost. I think he brought it up to distinguish between numinous and non-numinous fear, but it's an interesting point in any case.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:10 PM
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5. Perhaps your belief (or lack of it) in ghosts is not the problem...
I submit that your belief in TV shows has been shaken, not the belief in ghosts.

Just because a TV show presents something cock-eyed, doesn't mean the subject matter isn't relevant.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:12 PM
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7. Agreed.
But it certainly skews my perceptions of the truthiness of ghosts, when every ghost can be "beaten" by religion...
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:15 PM
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8. Remember it's just a TV show. Who is in charge of what is shown?
Certainly not the ghost. Anything fabricated can easily be beaten. Like knowing the truth behind magic tricks vs. not knowing.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:19 PM
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11. NOT EVERY ONE
JFN1-sometime the people have to just friggin leave the house-when no exorcism will work
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:12 PM
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6. You should check out GHOST HUNTERS on the Sci Fi channel.
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 02:13 PM by 1monster
And yes, I do believe that there is some "paranoral" state where that which we refer to as "ghosts" exists.

Except that I don't think it is paranormal. I think that spirits, ghosts, paranomal, whatever, just exist on a different frequency than we do. And like a radio, there are some frequencies that regularly blend together, which would give a place where the frequencies blend the reputation of "being haunted."

And I believe that sometimes, "the spirits, ghosts, whatever" or the person seeing them, somehow blends the frequencies to allow for visual, aural, or kinetic events.

There's a whole lot out there that none of us have even an inkling of of understanding, and don't know what questions to ask or even that there is something there to ask about...
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:18 PM
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9. I SAW a cameraman
get knocked on his ass on Ghost hunters-on tape you saw his bag lift up and smack him in his jaw and put him down-the dude was crying-I've heard EVP's and gotten chills-I've seen video of a brick being lifted up and tossed across a room-I've watched grown men being brought to tears
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 04:37 PM
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69. Well it must be true if it's on a TV show on the science FICTION channel.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 05:30 PM
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72. Perhaps you should watch the show before commenting. The show uses
Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 05:31 PM by 1monster
scientific methods in order to check out reported "paranormal" activities. Often, they are able to show that something has a normal everyday explanation.

There have been only a very few cases in which the TAPS group have concluded that a site is definitely haunted. One was a former mental institution (I've forgotten where), another was an old lighthouse. I think there were one or two more, but I don't watch te show religiously.

Quite often, they will find anomolies that cannot (yet) be explained away, but that do not rise to the level of "haunted."

In a couple of cases, they have exposed out right frauds.

(edit: transposed some letters)
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:20 PM
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12. Nope.
But that doesn't stop me from being freaked out in scary places.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:29 PM
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13. I've had some experiences
that lead me to believe that there are things going on in the invisible world that have no ready explanations. That's about as far as I'm willing to commit.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:32 PM
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14. Paranormal State is a bad show.
I mean, the people on it don't know where to even focus their equipment - they keep focusing it on the other people on the show, not on the rooms they are in. It's just feeding off of the popularity of Ghost Hunters - which I noticed you didn't mention you'd watch. Begin watching that - they use scientific analysis, not feelings like Paranormal State.

I know ghosts exist because I've had several solid experiences, as have other family members.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:23 PM
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24. Amen, that show is garbage.
I mean laughably bad.
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Mutineer Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:39 PM
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48. How can anyone even sit through an entire episode of it?
It's REALLY bad. How that show ever got greenlit is more than I know.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:02 AM
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58. 'Paranormal State' is most embarrassing. The "leader" is so self important
that it appears he goes on these 'investigations' in order to further his own vanity. His gaggle of giggling girls who hang on his every word as if he has some scholarly authority or is a prophit is so embarrassing. He pushes this concept called "dead time", which he defines as 3:00am: the exact opposite hour that he claims that Jesus was crucified. Um, how does he know that Jesus was crucified at 3pm and do ghosts and spirits know about daylight saving time and time zones? This concept for this "dead time" makes me cringe. This whole show is is his self indulgent vehicle, that you know, we have a college student fighting daemons, you know, for us. He fancies himself as almost Christ-like. You know, he's a God Warrior.

I'll admit that I really enjoy the TAPS fellows on the Sci-Fi Ghost Hunters show. I enjoy how earnest they appear, and what is most compelling is the behind the scenes soap opera goings on. They try their best to further a field of investigation that is in its infantcy.

I, too, have had paranormal experiences, that's why I take such umbrage with vain, self-indulgent people like the Paranormal State folks, who make everything about themselves and not about further understanding.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:13 PM
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60. That's exactly how I feel.
Penn State must be embarrassed to be affiliated with this group. This show is borderline catholic propaganda.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:55 PM
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74. I also like how GH actually goes in to disprove anything paranormal.
That's really their goal - which makes it even more startling when they can't disprove it and wind up proving just the opposite!

And really...wouldn't it the dead time be 3 am in the Middle East, not here - which would make it 6:00 pm. Well, in Arizona, in NYC it would be 8:00 pm. Except during daylight savings time. Then it would be 9:00 pm. Yeah, that makes a LOT of sense. :sarcasm:
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:33 PM
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15. I know that a range of phenomena exists that we call "ghosts'
What it's caused by, I don't know.

The belief/disbelief choice is too simple for the topic, imho.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 04:45 PM
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71. Besides, "belief" is not the important thing here
The reality of spirit is the issue. If you have direct experience, then you see that belief is only about 1/2 the journey, and is ultimately irrelevant.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 08:35 PM
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75. Exactly. n/t
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:40 PM
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16. I don't, but . . .
there's a weird thing that happens in our house sometimes. The house is almost 250 years old, by the way, so there's lots of history. Anyhow, we used to have a door at the side of the house where, back in the old days, there was an entrance to the house through a shed. It would have been off the great room that was centered around a big fireplace and beehive oven. The space was used for cooking and just about everything else back then. When the door was there, I would walk through what is now a hallway to a more modern addition at the back of the house, and occasionally smell the scent of a pipe, as if someone was sitting by the door smoking. We don't smoke and no one smokes in our house. A couple of years ago we took out the door and replaced it with a window and the smell stopped . . . in that area. Now I catch it from time to time next to the front door of the same great room. Very, very strange.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:43 PM
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17. You're are watching some crap television
if you get premium channels I suggest taking in the Science Channel's rebroadcast of the classic series Cosmos with Carl Sagan.

It has been over 200 years since the enlightenment and apparently a great many people are still mired in profound ignorance.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:22 PM
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23. What Enlightenment?
:rofl:

Total non-believer. It irks me that so much trouble in the world stems from a handful of deluded people in Jerusalem imagining they saw a dead Jewish guy walking around.

I guess we could call that one: The Greatest Ghost Story Ever Told.



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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 11:00 PM
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82. Given the history of man, I would say if Christianity wasn't around the
trouble you speak of would have simply taken a different form.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 08:24 PM
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41. I do watch Cosmos, and love it
I watch a lot of "hard" science shows, including Nova (one of my favorites). I am not basing my beliefs solely on a poor written TV show, but on many other factors. Paranormal State was just the last straw for me.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 11:06 PM
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83. The Enlightenment was hardly the greatest thing to happen to man.
I can pretty easily draw a line from the Enlightenment to the excesses of the French Revolution and Napoleon then later to Social Darwinism and then to Fascism and Nazism.

Don't get me wrong, a lot of good came out of the Enlightenment, but I think that the extreme emphasis on reason, rationality, and a sterile interpretation of the laws of nature led to a great deal of difficulty.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:51 PM
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19. i don't.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:54 PM
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20. I'm still pissed off that Discovery airs a "ghost" show.
That's some real hard science right there.

I can understand airing a ghost show on the SciFi channel, however.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:18 PM
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21. Republicans are Scary Enough
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:20 PM
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22. Yep - But I don't know what they are (nt)
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:42 PM
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26. no
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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 03:45 PM
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64. me too: No
:hi: Jitterbug Perfume!! :loveya:
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 03:53 PM
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65. Hi Sugah!
it is good to see you!:loveya: where have you been? what have you been up to?
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:45 PM
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27. I do believe in ghosts; I have had many personal experiences
The first house DH and I bought had several entities, and things were constantly happening that couldn't be explained away in "logical" terms. The house we own now has one ghost that has been known to let the cat out on the sleeping porch--a door that has a deadbolt that we ALWAYS keep locked. And I've had other experiences, some quite dramatic, in New Orleans especially, and I spent several years as a "housecleaner"--part of a group in my coven that cleansed areas and houses that had some troublesome entities. There's no question in my mind that "there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:47 PM
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28. Yes- due to person experience
I don't expect others to believe though.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:57 PM
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29. Yes
Never had any paranormal experience but I have family members who have.

Does hearing noises such as footsteps count?:D
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:32 PM
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30. check this site out
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:49 PM
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31. Yes, I believe and yes, I have had experiences. I grew up in a house
that is occupied by two spirits and my folks still live there. But most people I run into don't believe me, so I hardly ever talk about it.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:55 PM
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32. don't know
I have never seen a ghost, and I'm not sure I'd want to if they do exist. I do believe in other paranormal topics such as UFOs.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:56 PM
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33. No. No no no. NO!
Ghost's don't exist.

It knocks me off my ass that we can get pictures of distance galaxies, we can get video of some guy who throws a ball over his shoulder and accidentally makes a perfect hoop shot, and we can see things at the atomic level with electron microscopes. But for some reason, all we get on ghosts is shaky video and pictures that can be explained easily.

Ghosts are in your head.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 08:39 PM
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46. Yep...Same with Psychics and "Fortune Tellers". If they are real then....
...why does the Powerball have "Rollovers" :)
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 06:03 PM
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73. Check these out...


(and, no, that giant orb is NOT a full moon)

But, just a suggestion. Perhaps the reason why photographs of ghosts (or whatever they are) don't come out crisp and clear is because they are NOT physical objects.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:44 PM
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78. Questions, if you know the answers, if not, that's OK too...
1. Did the light in pic #1 only come out in the picture, or did people see that outside of the picture as well? (Like in real time).


2. Pic #2: I am not a "fan" of orbs, especially when they are taken by a camera w/a flash, but was there anything else that could be considered an anomaly...an orb that was that big w/o a pic, seen w/the naked eye? Something else that happened that night that was seen/heard/felt by those who were there?

:)
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kellenburger Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 05:03 PM
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34. I'm 100% sure there are no ghosts.
Otherwise the most haunted places would probably be any place women get naked,
not dank old houses.

:evilgrin:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 05:06 PM
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35. I believe it's possible that they exist.
I have not yet seen one though.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 06:16 PM
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36. santa, ghosts, god & his son...are there to entertain the weak-minded.
the rest of us realize they DO NOT exist.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 06:27 PM
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37. I believe, mainly because I have lived in a haunted house and a hunted apartment.
Nothing scary or bizarre, just the presence of spirits.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 06:44 PM
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38. What does bad TV (redundancy, I know) have to do with the reality of the paranormal.
If I used the quality of TV as a determinant, I'd not believe in much of anything.



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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 06:45 PM
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39. No but I would like to.
I'd love to go to an actual "haunted" place and see something that would convince me that ghosts are real but so far it hasn't happened and I doubt it ever will.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:21 AM
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51. When I was stationed in Germany
I went to several places - old, old places - that were purported to be haunted. I went on a 5k "volksmarch" through some "haunted" woods, I visited a "haunted" castle, and a 1200 year old university that was "haunted" in various locations, a theater stage among them.

Nothing. Never saw or felt or sensed anything unusual...
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 06:51 PM
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40. I'm not sure...There have been some things that I have
encountered that have yet to be explained.

My rational side says no, but then there are....things...:shrug:
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 08:26 PM
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42. The entertainment vaule is good..
but such things are not real.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 08:31 PM
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43. My dad came to me right after he died
Seriously. It was about a week after he died.

I was taking a nap and something woke me up. And I could smell him! He wore Old Spice and the scent was there. Then I could feel him hugging me. And he told me not to worry, everything will be okay.
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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 03:10 PM
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62. Your post just got me bawling
Some time after my sainted father died he came to me. I was half awake as well, and I know that in that state you can experience anything, so i don't need a rational debunking of my experience.

But I could see him, how he was dressed. I could smell his after shave or whatever he wore. I could feel him holding me. And I can remember him stroking my head and telling me it will all be OK.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:00 AM
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89. That must have been such a nice comfortting experience proud2Blib
I'm happy for you.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 08:34 PM
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44. No Ghosts..No Spirits...No "Life after Death" Nothing.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 08:36 PM
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45. "Paranormal State" is crap
I watched my first ep last week and came away with the same conclusion as you, except that it didn't dim my belief in the paranormal one iota. I much prefer "Ghost Hunters". At least they do a good job debunking things and don't drag religion into it.

I've had a paranormal experience and believe 100% that ghosts exist.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 11:55 PM
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87. When is Ghost Hunters on?
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:27 AM
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93. Wednesday nights, I believe at 9:00 on SciFi
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:40 AM
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94. Thanks, I'll try to remember to watch.
I had meetings on Wednesdays till a couple weeks ago. No wonder I never saw it.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 02:21 AM
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96. New season starts January 9, SciFi Channel. n/t
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 08:55 PM
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47. Haruka and I have one in our old farmhouse
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 08:56 PM by LostinVA
It's someone walking across the dining room. CREEPY!!!

However, it hasn't been as active since we got the dog, for some reason.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:42 PM
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49. You are watching the wrong show. Try this one instead:
http://www.scifi.com/ghosthunters/ They tend to be more scientific about the whole thing, although they have brought in someone to exorcise a place once or twice, but it was more for the client's sake than to really rid the place of something.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:12 AM
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50. I can't believe people buy into this without one shred of evidence
As another poster mentioned above, why is it with all the high-tech equipment we have nowadays, the best "evidence" we can get is some grainy footage of something that "looks like it could be a ghost", or some barely discernible EVP? I've watched that show "Ghost Hunters" a few times, and I have never seen anything that couldn't be reproduced. I would view that show and others like it as nothing more than entertainment, much as if I were to go to a horror movie.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:22 AM
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52. Maybe ghosts don't like to be measured
Maybe they think it's a colonoscopy or something...
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:52 AM
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57. Maybe - but I need evidence before I start believing in something
I've had my share of unexplained phenomena, which would probably be enough to convince most people. Yet I am a skeptic at heart, and eyewitness experience is not considered a very viable form of evidence. It's going to take a bit more than just a few bumps in the night for me.

If one is going to believe in ghosts, for which there is no evidence, then why not believe in all sorts of things?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:27 AM
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53. It's a little deeper than "believe in ghosts" for me
...but I had to answer yes, though the "ghost" terminology doesn't fit, I have experienced paranormal contact many times.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:44 AM
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54. I like Ghost Hunters
Although the constant pitching for Roto Rooter gets annoying, it is still a good show. I'm also glad that Jay has stopped saying, "Me and Grant..." I think the grammar folks finally got to him!

As for belief...I'm not sure. I've experienced weird things, had a "ghost" touch me, saw my wife (a devoted skeptic) turn white as a sheet after being physically moved in a bed, and I've heard things that made me a bit freaked out. But, I'm still not totally convinced. The human mind is a powerful thing.

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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:46 AM
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55. I think there is a lot we can't explain.
Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 12:47 AM by davsand
I've had more than one experience where I saw something that was just "wrong." It couldn't be proved or disproved, but I saw it.

Personally, I take a spiritual approach to the whole thing. I think your life force does not end when your body stops working. I also think that based on simple physics, no energy ever really vanishes--it changes--but it always exists.

Just as TV, Radio, flying machines, and antibiotics were seen as unnatural or even fake when they were first discovered, I think that maybe what we call "paranormal" now may ultimately be explained when we have a better understanding of it all.

The TV show,s however, do nothing to advance understanding of anything. They exist only to make somebody money.

YMMV.


Laura
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:47 AM
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56. Just registering disappointment with the proud credulous.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:12 AM
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59. Another interesting notion is that there is a very thin band of
visible light for the human eye to detect. Most insects can see ultraviolet bands, and some other creatures can see some infrared bands. For all we know, somethings can be out there that we simply cannot "see" because we just are not capable of seeing them. Even with some equipment, like Infrared detectors they may not be seen because they are are the same temperature as the ambient air, who knows. There may be occasions where items can "cross into" and area where they are visible, even if only for a second or two. What may appear to be a wisp of smoke, might just be said smoke, only considerably less dense, except at a certain angel where it becomes visible before dissipating.

Almost every day, there is some phenomenon that is explained in a way that makes sense; the explanation may not be correct, but the route to an explanation has been been taken...sometimes the answer is just a little further on.

it may well turn out that the answers is "spirits", although I have to wonder why some would be stuck here, and billions of others would be carted off to some unknown place(s). If all of the "souls" of the departed were stuck on this plane, we'd be drowning in them.

One can neither say with certainty either way, the best we can do is seek out an answer...:)
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:16 PM
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61. No- it's actually old man Withers from the amusement park
and he'd have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 03:17 PM
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63. I'll believe it when I see it, however...
I do know people are incredibly arrogant in thinking that they know all there is to know about the environment around them. Whether it is anomalies on this planet occurring or if humans possess more psychological power or skills than they are aware of. Just saying that it is a mistake to dismiss the possibilities of the extraordinary from ever happening.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 03:57 PM
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66. I don't believe in the supernatural
and that includes ghosts.

Years ago I had several episodes of sleep paralysis. During one of them, Jesus appeared and tried to cut out my brain with a knife. During one of the others, our cat flew around the bed, and in the last one, I saw a foggy-looking humanlike figure who spoke gibberish. I was amused rather than frightened, because I knew what was going on.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 04:04 PM
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67. I believe in ghosts like I believe in UFOs...
...there is evidence to support some kind of phenomena, but no reason to believe it is of supernatural, paranormal or extraterrestrial origin. People see UFOs every year, same with "ghosts." Assuming they are aliens and souls of the departed is bad science (no science, really) and kind of stupid.

And since you mentioned Catholicism, isn't every possession movie nothing more than an exploitative advertisement for the Church's essentialist paradigm if not for Catholicism itself?
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Genanderson Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 04:31 PM
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68. To Be Honest
I'm not sure. I really enjoy ghost shows as well, but I wonder why there is not the plethora of evidence to document these kinds of paranormal activities. Even in these shows that I watch, the victims commonly bring to bear experts and ghost hunters who bring in cameras and video recorders, yet what happens to all the evidence they collect? Never hear about it. Very strange. I just think with so many
accounts by so many people using so much equipment, there would be just a little more evidence available.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 04:42 PM
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70. No. I'm a Christian, but I don't believe in ghosts. n/t
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 09:59 PM
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76. Yep.
and "yep." I've had several. And I'd just like to say that skeptics are skeptics until they experience some of these things themselves. I've had first-hand experience with that as well.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:38 PM
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77. Wow, what a turning point for DU!
The Skep Ticks have FINALLY at LONG LAST not been able to DERAIL a discussion that SOMEHOW was allowed to go Off The Reservation at DU.

Who could have seen THIS coming?

:rofl:

PS: IBTL
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:46 PM
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79. I heard one today..
Seriously.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:49 PM
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80. no, but I love ghost stories
LOVE them :thumbsup:
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:58 PM
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81. This is one where I really have to say I don't know.
I've had some really messed up personal experiences, but my instinct is to rationalize them as coincidences or lack of sleep.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 11:20 PM
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84. I did not until the summer of 1978 when I took care of my sisters house.
I do not want to have an experience like that ever again. It only took three nights alone, and that was it. I did not sleep alone in that house again.

For you people who do not believe in ghosts/spirits/things that are there but can't be explained at the time it's happening to you, I hope you don't have one like mine, which would make you quite a believer.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 11:24 PM
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85. Tell us what happened...if you have time.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:02 AM
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90. I will, but it is a long one.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 11:31 PM
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86. I believe in them as I saw them up close and personal.
I actually SAW and HEARD my two deceased dogs playing together.

That's a hard one for some to believe because it means dogs have a soul or afterlife too. That was a pleasant surprise!

However, if I hadn't seen it myself...I wouldn't have been a believer.
And I was agnostic or even Atheist at the time.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 02:52 AM
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97. Believing in the paranormal doesn't have to mean you aren't agnostic/atheist
It's true that some atheists reject all supernatural phenomena, not just the existence of deities, but not all. I'm an atheist and I think the existence of spirit entities and the existence of god are completely separate from each other. One we're just beginning to document scientifically while the other can never be proved or disproved using the scientific method.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:11 AM
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91. I do believe in ghosts, I do believe in ghosts
I do, I do, I do, I do, I do believe in ghosts.

I live about an hour away from Eureka Springs where the Crescent Hotel is located. I've driven up there before and wandered around. It's creepy cool spooky inside and out.



I dug into my photos to get this picture that I took up there. I was cropping down to size to post it and noticed a strange darkness in one of the windows.



That kind of weirded me out.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:21 AM
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92. My son and I made a deal that if he died, he would come back....
and let me know that he was okay.

He didn't come to me, but he came to my boyfriend. I would have taken the experience apart and analyzed it until I didn't believe it anymore, but the one person I would believe was my boyfriend. That experience changed his whole life. He was never the same again, after that.

I believe in ghosts. Yes.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 08:11 AM
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98. Yes definitely...thru personal experience nt
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99. 62% of this website.
Wow.
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