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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 07:01 PM
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How and old Southern woman see the nation today
First I see things similar to the Civil War...except we arenn't fighting other Americans.

What is this crazy old woman thinking..



Here is what I am thinking, during the Civil War, we in the south got the stuffings beat out of us. And the reason we fought the war and got our fannies tanned, is the North had all the manuf. base, they took our goods for nothing and sold them back for high dollars, when the war started we had nothing but you might say corn stalks to fight with, all the manufacturing was in the North Now the grist of this is ....When we get into another great war with a foreign country, will we have to fight with corn stalks because the corporate greedy have farmed out manufacturing, and we have forgotten how to build a mouse trap... IT COULD HAPPEN QUICKER THAN YOU THINK.
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Fed_Up_Grammy Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 07:06 PM
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1. I'm an old Northern woman and agree with what you posted.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 07:07 PM
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2. Recently I have
been doing some research on some of the local Revolutionary War history from this area. I live in the part of upstate NY where the "border wars" were fought. And I've read a lot of the records from people who were "loyalists," and "patriots," as well as things from Mohawk leader Joseph Brant. The thing that has stood out for me is that many of the emotions being expressed then are very similar to what I read now in the letters to the editors of the area's newspapers.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 07:13 PM
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3.  My ancestor was General Washingtons Guard
Shadrack Pinkston, joined General Washington, the day after the crossing of the D...he was with him in N.J., Trenton I think, he and his wife Athaliza Carroll left Virginia , where Shadrack died in abt 1795-9, we don't know where Shadrack was buried in Wilkes County,Georgia his wife died in Historic Fayette County,Georgia. sorry I just get carried away sometimes.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 07:21 PM
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4. One of my
relatives was closely associated with Brant. I have numerous artifacts from a couple of Brant's camps from the western side of the Ft Stanwix Treaty Line. My hobby is studying local history. Earlier today, I made my way to one of the local libraries; as soon as I hobbled in, one of the young employees went into one of the research rooms, and unlocked the cabinets for me. Reading some of the old letters from 1776-78, I was thinking they could have been from today. Interesting to read your post a few hours later!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 07:29 PM
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5. nice piece of historical revision here - the filthy rich planters got the poor folks to die for
their christian held belief that slavery was good. the north did have more manufacturing base since southerners chose to have slavery based agriculture instead, and the concept that southern goods were taken for nothing is bogus. those plantations owners, bankers, and merchants did not get rich off of "nothing", they just kept poor whites from getting as little of the wealth as possible.

some day many southerners will have to quit blaming their problems and failures on everyone but themselves.

the south had nothing to fight with but "corn stalks"? that's pitiful, how did the rebel army manage to kill hundreds of thousands of people with nothing but "corn stalks", either literally or figuratively.

Msongs

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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:26 PM
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6. I forgot to mention, if the cornstalks hadn't ran out we would have stomped your butts
Answer this one, why did Lincoln free the southern slaves, but left the north with plenty slaves... war wasn't fought over slavery.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:28 PM
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7. We? WTF?
You're a Civil War vet?
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:30 PM
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8. This post was about the similarity to what could happen today
With manufacturing sent out of the country, and if we forget the skill, what will happen if we get in another war, remember in the late 20's this country was left by republican with and army in disaray, FDR had to rebuild, what would have happened if the know how was in another country at the time... I do know that I live in and area that did manf...the finest furniture...some of the skill has already been lost, a few people still hang on, this could be true of things we need for war.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:34 PM
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10. Well good thing they ran out then
:eyes: Now run along to your daughters of the confederacy meeting.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:34 PM
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9. You forgot to mention the fact that you also had slaves.
I have those old Wills and deeds, I know how much was taken from the south, and how you lived off the old plantations on Sherman's march to the Savannah. You took our raw material for nothing and sent it back at a very high cost, however this is about manufacturing being sent to foreign nations, and the thought I had , could the same thing happen again , with this nation without it manuf.base.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 08:03 PM
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11. thank you for sharing your story my friend.
We once made great clothing and iron goods in Newburgh, NY. We lost that industry over 50 years ago.
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