Pelosi, YOU NEED TO GO !

[Justice Is Comin]

And as you’re leaving, take Reid with you!

The side of my head is about to explode. I’ve been sitting on the sidelines watching and waiting, waiting and watching for you to do something–anything-- that resembles a leader, but nothing. I have to do this, if not just purely cathartic for myself to let off this steam. If anyone is averse to seeing a heavily laden profane post then hit your back button now because gosh, heck and golly darn just isn’t what I’m feeling. I’m so angry I only wish I could tell it to your face Pelosi. And if you don’t think so, just call my bluff and invite me. I don’t care where it is, I’ll be there.

Just who the fuck do you think you are? Do you think you can hold our constitution hostage? Did you ever go to civics class? Did you take notes? Were you awake? Show me in the constitution where it says you impeach only if you have the votes! Show me where it says that. When any government figure is suspected of committing high crimes or misdemeanors, it is the duty of the House to bring impeachment. It’s due process. It’s the airing of the evidence for the public. Here, they’re not crimes merely suspected, they’re verified by whistle blowers and those directly in the loop ten ways to Sunday. There is a laundry list of felony crimes almost too long for anybody to comprehend. The number of misdemeanors is almost laughable.

Impeachment is not the verdict, it’s the fucking TRIAL. It’s to find out if removal is warranted. It allows the investigations into the facts of what crimes were committed, without a tyrant imperialist cocksucker like Bush being able to use executive privilege to block the investigations and subpoenas needed for the facts. It’s the ONLY thing that strips away those protections and bullshit tactics that he has used since he took office, to stall and prevent any truth whatsoever from coming out.

Every one of those swastika wearing freedom haters in that oval office mafia, have committed more crimes against the people than possibly all the previous administrations combined. And you know it! Up to and including Gonzalez. There’s something damn fishy going on when you don’t want those investigations to reveal what the true full blown facts are.

We accomplished what was thought to be impossible and fantasy by virtually every republican last November when we voted in droves and brought you the majority in both houses based on your election promises . Not only a slim majority, but 18 fucking seats in the House!

There was a reason for that. We wanted true blooded Democrats to go in there to kick ass and take names. We wanted an end to the cut and paste intelligence trumped up fucking war. And we wanted INVESTIGATIONS with subpoenas and enforcement backing them with capitulations to no one!! To NO ONE!!

You came in like a lion for the first 100 hours-- fiery and with a little passion appearing to give the impression that you really gave a shit and could be what we voted for. Then you fizzled like a fourth of July sparkler in a thunderstorm. Ever since those first 100 hours, you don’t have the impact of a wet pussy willow bud on a Tempurpedic.

We gave you a Royal Flush with the election victories and you lead like all you got in your hand is a pair of fucking deuces. With you as leader of the House, you can hardly tell the majority from the minority. In fact the republipricks look more like the majority than we do. They hand slap you around the room. You couldn’t even drive through a bill requiring the psycho in the oval office to get approval from congress before he invaded fucking IRAN!! IRAN!!! Iraq wasn’t enough for you? You couldn’t confer that reasoning to those you are supposed to lead?

Congress approval is at 11%. And a president not above 25-30% approval for over two years. Does that register with you? Do you have a metal plate in your head preventing neurons from firing in your brain? Do you think 11% means you’re doing a good job? Doing the will of the people? 11%???

The fact is, you don’t give a shit about the wants of the people and you’ve shown it repeatedly. You had some nerve to say before we handed you the fucking gavel of power-- give us the majority and you’ll drain the swamp. You? You’re draining the swamp? We’re up to our eyeballs in shit in this swamp because of you. It’s the size of the Atlantic. You haven’t brought home a single soldier since you became speaker. You haven’t even slowed down the funding. It’s a literal runaway train. Why don’t you just open the doors of Fort Knox and he can go in there in the middle of the night and empty the fucker.

You don’t even know how the fucking pump works. You have to put it on ‘SUCK’ to drain anything. Not on OFF!!

A leader coalesces his or her unit and leads. Hence the root case of the fucking word. If generals led like you, we’d all be speaking Japanese. The only house you should be Speaker of is the one you own in San Francisco.

Your one and only function in that House of Representatives is to carry out our will-- the will of the people. Hence the fucking name. We have representative government. Since we can’t all be there to speak for ourselves, you are “elected” to speak for us. Nobody gives a shit what you think in a vacuum. You are not there to think as a rebel or ignore what your constituents want. When you speak, OUR words are supposed to come out.

If only 11% approve, according to base ten math that I learned, that’s eighty nine fucking percent of us that are angry with you and disapprove of what you’re doing. Are you fucking deaf? What part of representative government don’t you understand? And if you don’t think that’s how it works-- that you’re supposed to pay attention to the 89%, then step the fuck away from your $170,000 a year paycheck that we give you and get a job in the private sector where you can fund your own goddamn private agenda.

A leader would have gone into every one of those caucuses on these critical votes with that gavel and slammed it on the table and said, “Look, I don’t give a damn if you call yourself a blue dog, a yellow dog or a fucking cross between a Persian and a Siamese. We were elected with a mandate to stop this war, restore American’s civil liberties and investigate this administration inside out for their crimes. In any way we have to do it!!. Vote your conscience when it comes to naming post offices. This legislation goes to the very core of what we are as human beings, and what’s right. And by God as Democrats we’re going to pass it.

If he vetoes it, we’re going to send it back again, and again, and again until he fucking signs it and gets the message. If you go out there and vote against these literal watershed event bills that will prevent this dictator from continuing his jackbooted assault on our democracy against the will of our constituents, I personally will go out there and campaign against you myself to prevent you from coming back to this congress!! That’s what a fucking leader would do!.

You can’t coalesce votes on anything. The splintered factions just walk all over you at will. You’re just constantly smiling and chortling your “new direction” bulllshit. While the country’s hemorraging with human and economic treasure losses daily in Iraq. And the loss of faith of the world in us as morally uncorruptable is becoming a literal worldwide fucking joke.

You’re the guard at the castle door we’re trying to get into. If those who threw the tea in Boston Harbor thought like you, the fourth of July would be no different than the 3rd of July. We would be still be having afternoon crumpets and saluting the Union Jack.

How you could dare put your hand lovingly on the shoulder of that prehensile, war loving, scourge on America motherfucker and cozy up to him like you were taking a family reunion photo with him, when you should be doing the investigations through impeachment to put his neck at the end of a rope in the Netherlands for his war crimes, just speaks volumes. It shows me all I need to know.

Something is epic proportions fishy here. It stinks like a two day old carp rotting in the sun. I had you pegged when I wrote this............... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And except for the few glimmers of far and few between sputters of leadership, I was absolutely right way back then.

I personally think you may be up to your neck in the knowledge of war crimes as defined by the Geneva Convention. Nothing else explains your steadfast refusal to unveil and prosecute these criminals. Not even for human torture universally condemned around the world, will you come out of your coma and call for impeachment hearings. There is no excuse for your silence if you were in those meetings other than your total willingness to be complicit . No law on this earth prevents you from exposing felony war crimes in the United States of America. None! And if there was, you should have risked jail to violate it. That’s what American patriots before you did. But you don’t want any doors opened. Something is v-e-r-y fishy here.

Here’s your legacy............. Make a sign out of it and put it on your door.

You need to go. SOON. Get the fuck away from anything that has to do with interpreting and understanding the constitution. You clearly don’t understand it. Unquestionably, you don’t understand the oath that you swore to on the bible either. Unlike a Mr. Robert Wexler who does.

Take your grandma politics and go do grandma shit. Knit sweaters or booties in the cloak room or something. No leadership skills are required for that and nobody’s life or liberties are at stake. Do something your soft pedaling is ideal for. FOLLOW a leader. That’s what you’re perfect for.

And Reid, you were a boxer? Who the fuck did you fight–women?? You have less passion than somebody reading tax law to an accountant. You almost put me to sleep every time you talk. You should be broadcasting Sunday afternoon golf somewhere, not be leader of the most powerful government body on earth. All you do is...cave, capitulate, buckle, relent, bend, concede, compromise, acquiesce, yield, submit, comply, surrender, kowtow, fold, accede and in general, just give the republipricks everything they want.

They have invoked filibuster FIFTY NINE times since last November. If I’m off on that number, it’s not off by very much. You couldn’t even rally the Democrats one time to filibuster fucking Alito. Thank you for that lifelong bastard on the bench. And instead of making them stand at the podiums and talk until their tongues swelled up to the size of manatees and they passed out from exhaustion, they don’t have to do a thing. You just hear the word filibuster and you’re instant jelly giving them everything they want. It’s a wonder you don’t need a steel rod strapped to your back to hold you up.

AND WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT PHASE TWO NOW???

We gave you the same power in the unprecedented election to reverse five fucking seats and make you the leader in your branch. You had the temerity to bring the Senate to a standstill with rule 21 over phase 2 when you were in the minority because you led us to believe you were fed up with all the stalling and the coverups. So where the fuck is it now? You’re the honcho in charge now unless I’m on some other planet. You control the subpoena power--the witness lists now. You can force depositions. So where the fuck is it? Does somebody have pictures of you at the Cottontail Ranch in the fantasy room? What are you hiding and why? Nobody could stop you from getting this report out if you wanted to. A report that will show all the felonies, obstruction of justice and outright lies to frame this fucking war with intelligence bullshit that was exactly contrary to every single thing that was actually true. You could call for that report to be on the Senate calendar every fucking day if you wanted to. And force it to be made public. Something is damn fishy about you here too.

I can’t even count the times you appeared in press conferences or on the Senate floor to give the vague appearance that you were finally taking a stand as a leader in your chamber. Only to shame yourself when you took another dump on us. You wouldn’t even allow Dodd to put a “hold” on a fucking bill that would let corporate phone company traitors sell our cherished right to privacy up the river in exchange for a fucking government payoff! You wanted to give them blanket immunity for doing it. Who the hell’s side are you on?


If Democratic bills in either body–Senate or House, could be held as double blind votes, where republicans wouldn’t know if it was a Democratic or republic sponsored bill they were voting on, I’m convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt they would be all be voting exactly the same way as Democrats . Because all the vested interests of 99% of everyone in this country are embodied only in the Democratic proposals of every one of these bills.

But their sole function is to be dyed in the wool, unibody, crime covering, anti-democrat anything obstructionists. If the title of president preceded “Clinton” or “Gore” with these same documented crimes, they would be literally red faced with perspiration pounding the drums for impeachment. That’s how they always were, are, and will be.

You’re so busy fawning over these vermin that you’re supposed to be reversing, calling them–my good friend, my longtime colleague and friend, our “friends” on the other side of the aisle–if I hear that one more fucking time, my last gasket is going to blow. Get it through your heads–every Democrat who has ever said that-- they’re NOT your friends. They’re your worst fucking enemy!! They’re bought and paid for, corporate owned, rich protecting, war crazy, criminally complicit, universally devoid of moral values, obstructionist, diaper wearing, closet gay, paige fuckers !

They would just as soon load up our eighteen year old kids fresh from their prom like a load of Friday afternoon garbage and put them in a military transport leaving for Iraq and drop them off in the killing fields of Falleujah. For second, third, fourth and even fifth tours!! Just to keep their treasured fucking Haliburtons and military armament producing monopolies in tall financial cotton and assure they’d be there at the back door with their large payola of election ad money come election time. Banks included.

They didn’t even care if our kids had helmets that would give them at least a 50-50 chance of surviving a head shot. It took Cher. Sonny and Cher fucking CHER, to start a company that provided the helmets that would possibly save their lives. Your republican friends found that too trivial to bother with. If you don’t understand that, then read some newspapers. Get on the internet. If you don’t understand 59 filibusters, even against their own constituents interests, then see a doctor because you have rectal cranial inversion.

When you do finally get that through your heads and stop playing election 2008, maybe you will finally start to do what you were hired for. Otherwise just go scooch on over there on your knees and give them all blow jobs. Because that’s the only thing that’s missing.

There is no doubt about it. Both of you need to go. We don’t need sheep in wolves clothing sticking it up our ass when you’re supposed to be the people we depend on to be looking out for us.

It’s a good thing our founding fathers can’t resurrect from their graves and grace those hallowed halls that they bestowed with a sacred Bill of Rights and a Constitution, intended to keep our government–of the people, by the people and for the people.. Not for lies, coverup of lies and trashing of our freedoms by an insanely demented fuck who enjoys invading countries and causing hundreds of thousands of deaths of innocent civilians around the world.

The intentions that they had for truth, justice and inalienable freedoms of America were not red or blue, black or white, optional, negotiable or depending only on whether or not you thought you had the votes. If they saw what you and Pelosi were allowing to happen, I’d bet their outrage and furor would rival a 20 point earthquake. And I’d bet a years salary, the first question they would be asking is, why the fuck aren’t we impeaching YOU ?

Do the country a favor and resign your leadership posts. You’re both a disgrace to the title.

[MonkeyFunk]

1. You're lecturing Pelosi on the constitution

when you falsely believe that the House is obligated to impeach? Ha.

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[EstimatedProphet]

125. So now MONKEYFUNK is responsible for Bush not being impeached?

[terrya]

142. Disgusting

This is a blatant attack upon a DU'er I happen to respect and like.

This is a pure personal attack. Which I've alerted on.

[ronnykmarshall]

146. Add me to that list.

Print it out and shove it up your ass.

[bagrman]

182. ... Fax: [phone] Pelosi's Fax Print and send it's better then an email.

All her info

E-mail: [e-mail]

Washington Office:
235 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-0508
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Main District Office:
450 Golden Gate Avenue
San Francisco, CA 94102
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

[rateyes]

153. You never have answered my question:

How can Pelosi keep her oath to defend the Constitution, when she turns a blind eye to an executive who keeps trampling all over it?

Tick...tock...

[Blarch]

185. she can't.

and the people in this nation, and on this forum have to start calling a spade a spade.

It is what it is folks, lets be honest now.

She has betrayed her oath of office, and the people who believed in her. I really can't see how people are defending her actions.

Fuck that lady, I respect the constitution, and she has taken a position against the constitution, it's as simple as that.

[rateyes]

206. I agree with you. nt

[TheWatcher]

246. They never do.

There are way too many at DU that imply refuse to see the light that Neither Party is doing their job right now. And anyone who dares shine the light on that, asks questions, tries to engage in discussion about it, is attacked for it.

Living in denial of a problem will not solve it.

[MADem]

235. Now that's a post that deserves a rec of its own! Nt

[Harper_is_Bush]

2. I don't think some people would be happy with anyone in the Dem leadership role...

...unless they were accusing the Repubs of "wearing swastikas".

[warren pease]

200. That would be a start, yeah...

...given that they've satisfied all ten of Naomi Wolf's criteria for identifying a "fascist shift." Will you recognize these steps when they come up and bite you in the ass? How about when they result in your being snatched off the street, propelled into the American gulag, denied your rights to hear the charges against you or consult with an attorney, your property seized for disagreeing with BushCo on Iraq or Lebanon or Syria, denied Constitutional protections against cruel and unusual punishment, i.e., torture, kept in solitary until your mind turns to Cream of Wheat...

And maybe they'll let you go after three or four years, as long as you sign the waiver that prohibits you from ever discussing what's happened to you or selling your story to a publishing house or suing the feds for false imprisonment.

It can't happen here? As Sinclair Lewis wrote, "When fascism comes to this country it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." See any evidence of that lately?

And speaking of hard evidence, are you aware of these little gems?

National Security Presidential Directive/NSPD 51" and "Homeland Security Presidential Directive/HSPD-20.

Called the National Continuity Policy, it "establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies."

Sounds fine so far, but then there's this language about COG in times of national emergency:

(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;“ (which means Katrina II, a California quake, a massive power outage, a general strike, a peasant revolt over nuking Iran, etc.)

(18) "The Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall provide secure, integrated, Continuity of Government communications to the President, the Vice President, and, at a minimum, Category I executive departments and agencies.” (So at least the shadow government stays in the loop.)

(6) "The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government.” (This is in recognition of Bush's well-documented veneration for Constitutional law.)

Translated into our native tongue, NSPD 51/HSPD-20 would impose martial law under the authority of the White House and the DHS. It would suspend Constitutional government under the guise of Continuity in Government (COG).

But that wasn't nearly enough. So on July 17 of this year Bushie signed this executive order, which doesn't actually have a number. We'll just call it the "Criminalizing the Anti-War Movement Order." Its official title is "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq," which apparently isn't a joke, although I'm not sure what's going on over there qualifies as "stabilization efforts."

Here's another asset seizure EO for persons who disagree with BushCo re Syria and Lebanon. Same shit, different countries.

Did you think these vermin were kidding when they outlined the infrastructure for martial law and decided to deal with dissenters by simply impoverishing them? Did you think the patriot acts and the MCA were just innocent little attempts to deal with the horrors of the international terrorist menace? Do you really think HR 1955/SB 1959, the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007," will be used to fight right wing terrorist groups like the Army of God or Operation Rescue? Or maybe to track down the anthrax mailer? Not very damn likely.

BushCo doesn't do anything unless a) it fattens their wallets and those of their sponsors and cronies; b) it results in mass murder; c) it promotes another fossil fuels resource grab; and d) it further represses the American people by obviating the Constitution and replacing it with government by decree and fiat.

Their true genius lies in the fact that many of these EOs and PDs are hitting on all four cylinders -- like the one about seizing assets if you disagree with the BushCo Iraq policy, whatever that may be. The perfect storm of money for them, blood everywhere else, oil reserve theft and domestic repression. What's not to like?

All this and Pelosi can't find any reason to allow Conyers to open hearings on HR 333? She and the rest of the so-called Democratic leadership are violating their oaths of office every single day that goes by without impeachment hearings. They have sold out their history, their constituents, their personal honor and dignity, their country, their conscience, their political roots and, incidentally, the Constitution and the entire body of precedent and case law that has grown up around it.

It probably took just a small push to drive them into affiliating with the opposing camp. They're all feeding at the same corporate trough these days anyway. I mean, once they've been bribed into submission, co-opted their political souls and sold out the people who voted them into office, there's not much left to sell. When corruption is the norm, complicity is just a survival mechanism.


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[terrya]

3. Members of Congress can't be impeached.

Oh, what's the fucking use anymore?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

23. Don't make me impeach YOU, terrya!

I plan to begin proceedings as soon as Skinner ceases his stonewalling against my righteous crusade(s).

[lame54]

4. CLAP CLAP CALP

Take a bow

[Selatius]

5. Cindy Sheehan would probably do better if she challenged Pelosi through the Dem primary.

It would less likely splinter a movement along party lines.

[Le Taz Hot]

101. The problem is that

The Democratic Party Machine is behind Pelosi and any attempt by another Democrat to challenge her would be, shall we say, "discouraged" by the Party. My guess is that Sheehan felt that she would have a better chance of working to defeat Pelosi if she could function outside of Party constraints. The district itself is extremely liberal and full of anti-war activists so my guess is that the Party is split anyway. Maybe someone who lives in the district can give more of a first-hand assessment.

[Double T]

6. I look forward to bushco replacements by Dems,........

additionally, I also look forward to the replacement of the SPEAKER and the SENATE MAJORITY LEADER with Dems.

[Perry Logan]

7. What you're missing is the power of the media. Another speaker would act the same way Pelosi did.

My theory is that the Democrats can't impeach--or do the other things that are frustrating us--without bringing the media down on their heads. If we replaced them, the replacements would have to act the same--or quickly be annihilated by the corporate press.

[lame54]

10. In other words they are unwilling to take any risks

[troubleinwinter]

17. So they capitulate to the media, we must capitulate to the media, and permit our reps in congress

to get entirely off the hook, because the nation is to be ruled by the media?

Huh. I never read that part of the constitution.

Wonder what life would be like if our elected "representatives" up and REFUSED to be ruled by the media, but did what is right, instead?

[unapatriciated]

92. We are Idiots Ruled by the Media

http://youtube.com/watch?v=M5mjN32G1iI

Don't wanna be an American idiot.
Don't want a nation under the new media.
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mindfuck America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
Well that's enough to argue.

Well maybe I'm the faggot America.
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda.
Now everybody do the propaganda.
And sing along in the age of paranoia.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
Well that's enough to argue.

Don't wanna be an American idiot.
One nation controlled by the media.
Information nation of hysteria.
It's going out to idiot America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.

[Joe Fields]

28. Not this time around, boyo. This ain't a Clinton lynching.

This is righteous retribution for high crimes and misdemeanors. Like the OP said, there's a reason congress is at 11% approval. The media has its role to play, but they need ratings, also, and they play both sides. I truly feel the media would have no choice but to come down on our side, once all of the crimes of this administration are uncovered.

Anyway, that's all beside the point. The point is that they haven't even tried. No matter what anyone says, you, Pelosi, Monkey Funk, no one..IT IS THEIR SWORN DUTY TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. It is their duty to investigate, then implement impeachment proceedings, if warranted, and by god it is warranted.

[pokercat999]

69. My theory is that the Democrats can't impeach, when

they're co-conspirators.

[Perry Logan]

178. This doesn't explain the record very well.

If they were co-conspirators, they wouldn't have voted against the administration to a history-making degree:

"President Bush's success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.

"So far this year, Democrats have backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time on average on such votes. That marks the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/news110-000002576765.html

Don't let the media rhetoric fool you. The Democrats have acquitted themselves quite well--especially given their bare majority in both houses, and a relentlessly obstructionist Republican minority.

[warren pease]

202. Why do you cling to this ridiculous, illogical argument that solidarity equals success?

They may well have voted the majority position of their caucus nine times out of 10. So what? That apparently means that their caucus advocates caving to BushCo on every single important issue on the agenda, with continued Iraq occupation funding at the top of the list.

Unity is only useful if they're united around ideas, principles and resulting legislation that produces demonstrable improvements over BushCo policies. So far, they're simply passing everything the white house asks for, even going so far as to give the military about $10 billion MORE than the last appropriations supplemental requested.

That kind of unity I can live without, thank you. Let me know when they unite around universal health care or immediate defunding of US imperialism or outlawing Blackwater on US soil or revoking the military commissions act or getting serious about election theft or... Well, it's quite a list and it's not getting any shorter.


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[ElboRuum]

103. The media theory...

The problem with the media isn't them "coming down on the heads" of Democrats. The problem is the inattention paid to anything which may go to draw attention to the current administration's malfeasance. If the goal is to make the progressive agenda irrelevant through inattention, and I believe it is because every time something we SHOULD be concerned about happens here or abroad, the media runs Paris Fucking Hilton through the wringer again, then impeachment is the best way I can think of to force the hand of the media into covering something. So what if the media comes down on their heads? In order to pile on, they have to give it attention.

[pleah]

123. If they had any balls at all, they wouldn't care what the msm says.

Most people, with any sense, knows the msm is skewed.

[Perry Logan]

179. Half of Americans believe Iraq was connected to 9/11. That's what Congress is up against.

[defendandprotect]

256. This doesn't hold enough water --- and you have Olbermann calling for resignation/impeachment ---

[CatWoman]

8. *whew*

I need a cigarette

[lame54]

9. Hey justice - watch this vid

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hr8k8WHTzN0

[Disturbed]

14. Pelosi & Reid are pawns of the DNC.

The DNC is complicit with the Busholini Regime & the Multi-Corps that have co-opted
the US Govt.

[LeftCoast]

51. I think you're getting your acronyms confused

Do you mean DLC? LOL

[cali]

72. Yes, that well known evil, complicit bastard, Howard Dean

Nothing like being an ignorant... And broadcasting it.

[onenote]

116. Of course Dean himself took impeachment off the table before Pelosi did

Not that any of the Pelosi-attackers have wanted to admit that.

[PassingFair]

209. Like Dean gets to decide.

Like Mehlman/Martinez/Duncan decided for the Republicans,
or McAuliffe decided before Dean....

[RaleighNCDUer]

275. Bullshit.

Dean does not have, and never had, the authority to 'take impeachment off the table'. He's not even sitting at that fucking table.

As DNC chairman, all he can do is recommend. And in this case, his recommendation (which I seem to have missed - link?) is crap.

Without having a link - allow me to guess. He advised those running for congressional seats to not talk about impeachment, for fear that it would rally the right and potentially cost us seats. They didn't want to give the other side a theme to campaign on. Therefore, when running, all those candidates did NOT say "elect me and I will pursue impeachment".

But millions went to the polls with exactly that in mind - we wanted a majority in house and senate so we could put an end to the criminal enterprise which is the Bush administration. The mandate was clear. Now, our representatives (not our LEADERS - we are a democracy and the government is meant to follow the lead of the public) are ignoring that mandate.

And if our representatives refuse to represent us, we will eject them from our government. They need to know this. Having a 'D' behind your name does not make you impervious to the will of the public.

What has Dean said recently about impeachment? Nothing. It's not his job. His job was to provide us with the majority to enact the will of the Democratic constituency. He did that. Now, it is time for US to do OUR job, and that starts with our representatives. If they won't do it, they need to go.

[tritsofme]

11. Boo-fucking-hoo

Pelosi and Reid are doing what they can with the situation that they have inherited.

I think that on the whole they are doing a fine job.

Their responsibility is to the country, not to every whim of the fringes of their base.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

22. I wish there were room for criticism...

...without resorting to the sort of inane, unproductive ranting in the OP. My personal feeling is that Pelosi and Reid are, well, pretty average. Not great leaders, but not the pits either. I also don't understand the people who think that getting rid of Reid and Pelosi (a position for which there is effectively zero mainstream support anyway) will somehow miracle us the votes for impeachment.

The second disheartening thing is that people appear to be demanding that Pelosi and Reid run their shops the way the Republicans ran theirs over the past couple of years. And we know exactly what a fucking disaster that style of management turned out to be.

[Joe Fields]

33. There is no room for compromising or trying to play nice with the republicans.

They all, to a man have shown their true colors. It's just as the OP described. They are obstructionist, apologizing, cover ups for Bush's crimes and failed policies. If we DON'T adopt a "take no prisoners" approach to righting all of the wrongs next year, then there is no chance to accomplish anything. We are going to have to punish them as they did us, and drag them, kicking and screaming every inch of the way back to a saner world.

[tom_paine]

38. Oh Joe, you crazy moonbat. Why don't you just accept the crumbs off the table?

Be happy with the occasional benefit trickling-down on your head. They are doing everything they can.

After all, Laws are for Filthy Little Nobodies, not clearly Superior People like the Imperial Family and their Enablers.



What the fuck happened to our country? Did we just wake up one morning and all decide we wanted to emulate the Chinese or the 1930s Germans?

What has become clear to me is that it happened long before 2000. We were a ripe fruit waiting to be plucked by the first tyrants who weren't ashamed to eradicate the Old Republic in broad daylight, the first ones who discovered advertising and marketing techniques sophisticated enough to sell slavery to what at one time had been some of the freest people in the world with the longest tradition of such.

The sale has been made, and our brave apologists don't have a problem with that, really. They LIKE it, or even if they don't, as long as it doesn't effect their daily lives, it's all moonbattery.

We think it's just a failure of our leadership, but we are all responsible for the End of the American Republic. We each carry our portion of blame.

Some more than others, but we are all to blame.

[Joe Fields]

39. I swear, tom, I don't know what came over me. I have these

dizzy spells, where I begin to hallucinate and think I'm a free man.

[tom_paine]

47. Keep dreaming, pal. Keep it alive in your heart and I'll keep it alive in mine.

All is not hopeless. If enough of us keep the flame alive, then maybe one day it will rekindle within our shores.

Never give up. Never stop resisting.

[pleah]

127. You are sooo right! I for one will never give up!

[TheWatcher]

57. Spoken Very Eloquently Mr. Paine.

And unfortunately, so painfully true.

But, hey, why bother preserving freedom and democracy when you can BUY IT! I hear you can get the Magna Carta now for a cool $21.3 Million.

And with our robust economy, which is only getting stronger, we can just buy any dream or desire we want....

Oh, wait.....

Keep resisting, my friend. Even in futility.

[theFrankFactor]

121. Amen! and I Agree with the OP!

Ineffectual, "pussy"footing (sexist?) doesn't impress me. Reid and Pelosi B L O W (sexist?). While they fuck around (sexist?) people die. If they can't muster votes they could AT LEAST feign a fucking backbone! Impeachment is off the table? What kind of an asshole would believe that? I'll tell you what kind; a useless sell-out, spinelss waste, poser and hack, that's who. While that kind of tepid treason is acceptable to some, I consider it an insult to us as Democrats and Americans.


SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1f9uEVHECcg

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

41. Uh, the OP seems to be avocating a take-no-prisoners...

...approach towards the leadership, not the Republicans. Since Reid and Pelosi aren't going anywhere, I'd suggest adopting another tactic. One with a chance of success.

[Joe Fields]

42. I was replying to you, not the OP, who I happen to be in full agreement with.

[RaleighNCDUer]

141. You suggesting that we should support miserable failures simply

because they are OUR miserable failures?

The first step in an intervention is to let them know that WE know that there is a problem.

[sofa king]

180. Unfortunately, that's just what has to happen.

Because the Senate is "controlled" by one vote, and that one vote is an independent who just endorsed John McCain for President. Without that one vote, nothing happens and the Dems get blamed for it.

With it, you have to compromise with the most criminal political machine in America's history.

So which would you rather have? Nothing at all getting done, and Shrub's corporate masters fucking us all in the ass with sand in the Vaseline for the last two years, or very little getting done and the stage being carefully set for the permanent political de-fanging of the Republican Party.

[ElboRuum]

107. Pretty average...

Yes, because pretty average leadership has done us so extraordinarily well thus far.

(just in case)

[Patchuli]

25. Stopping the Iraq war is no "whim!"

They have the power to do it because we gave it to them. Instead of defunding the war/occupation, they keep handing * more money. Pelosi and Reid are complete disappointments and the majority of Americans' wishes have been ignored. It's not the "fringe" either. I hope neither is re-elected.

*edited for misspelling*

[Joe Fields]

31. Their sworn duty is to protect and defend the constitution of the united states,

against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Who the hell said anything about the fringes?

How can you say they're doing a fine job? How old are you, anyway?

[TheWatcher]

55. Translation.

"Stop telling me things I don't want to hear. Everything is fine in Pleasantville. I just want to feel good and not have to think about any of this stuff. Why can't you just shut up and take The Blue Pill like the rest of us, and just feel good, shop, watch football and reality TV, and be Happy in The Matrix. Why can't you just shut up and fall in line for The Party?"

And then there is this:

"Their responsibility is to the country, not to every whim of the fringes of their base."

So, ending the War, Protecting our Civil Liberties, Upholding The Rule Of Law, Abiding by The Constitution, and making this criminal Administration accountable for it's crimes, are simply whims of some tiny fringe of the base?

My, what a Rubicon we have crossed as a country.

[hfojvt]

65. everything does seem to be fine, or at least okay

I just got back from a Christmas vacation. A gathering of my siblings and parents and aunt and uncle, a total of 15 adults and 3 pretty smart high schoolers. Nobody ranted about impeachment, even once, although my dad did go on a little rant about how incompetent Bush was and is. They had a 50th anniversary party at a very liberal church in a blue state, and at that party nobody hammered out danger, or hammered out a warning about the loss of the Constitution or their civil liberties.

Tell me anything you want, but if it is all hyperbole and hysterics, then it lacks the ability to be convincing.

"Shut up and fall in line for the party?" Well, either we are opposing Republicans or not. A hyperbolic public rant about how fucking useless Pelosi is, does not seem to hurt Bush or Republicans very much. The OP, my Republican brother-in-law, and Rush Limbaugh seem to be in agreement that Pelosi is useless and should not be Speaker of the House. And the OP also seems to feel that most of the rest of the Democrats in the house are useless or powerless without a dictator to "lead" them to do what all the American people want and to do it right now dammit!!!

Of course, they probably would be doing it if even a simple majority was demanding it.

[TheWatcher]

244. Yes, Everything is Fine In Pleasantville. Good To Hear It.

Many Americans do not care nor do they want to know or see what is going on before them.

NEITHER Party is representing our best interests right now. And that is what you can't seem to get through your heads. Of course we oppose the Republicans because of what they are doing, but
those we elected to solve the problem have done nothing to curtail these monsters and are not doing their job.

But I know, you'd rather shop, watch football and reality TV, and feel good.

You don't care and don't want to know. I get it.

Carry on.

[CranialRectaLoopbak]

56. Take Pelosi off the table

[TankLV]

102. YOU are part of the PROBLEM...

[tritsofme]

194. Well thank you, I am quite flattered. nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

273. yup/ nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. Wow you rock!!

We need a best rants forum. LOL

[elocs]

13. Does anybody really, really believe that the Democrats are going to start impeachment

in the midst of an election year? I think they should have impeached them all right away, then when the Senate failed to convict we could get on with things although conviction always seemed to be of little concern to many. There are many DAs across the country who will not indict a big criminal even if they know that person is guilty if they are sure there will be no conviction. Some people have to live in the real world, but then DU is not the real world although when it reflects a portion of the real world it mistakes that small bit for the whole picture.

[paulk]

15. must be Wednesday

Time for another Pelosi/Reid bashing thread.

[Tom Joad]

30. any day of the week is appropiate. eight days a week.

[Joe Fields]

34. I personally think we need these threads every day, until all the

fucking idiots in our party, and all the party leaders wake the fuck up. They are NOT the leaders of a high school debate team.

[terrya]

76. And look...she's referred to as a "criminal bitch" in this thread.

Isn't THAT fucking special? I don't quite understand what crime she's committed...but oh, well, in this cesspool of hate, I guess anything goes.

[paulk]

87. the mods must be on Christmas vacation

there's been some amazing things posted the last few days.

Still, it's good to see the truth of some of these posters...

[Sander]

100. I don't quite understand what crime she's committed???

It is called violating her oath of office to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution and to impeach when the President commits high crimes and misdemeanors.

[Joe Fields]

199. Yes, and I'll repeat it again. She IS a criminal bitch.

What crimes has she committed? How about an accessory to the entire Bush administration? How about derelection of duty? How about breaching her oath of office? How about betraying her country and her party?

Oh, it is truly a shame that she cannot be impeached, but we can change her out the first chance we get. May she live in shame the rest of her unnatural days.

Actually, I think the term criminal bitch is going easy on her. You probably don't want to know what I'm really thinking.

[realFedUp]

16. or become President.

And all that comes with that.

[fascisthunter]

18. I Concur... Thank You (nt)

[TreasonousBastard]

19. Another day, another rant...

and in the first weeks of January, 2009 we'll still be seeing...

"YOU'VE GOT 12 DAYS LEFT TO IMPEACH THE CROOKS! WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SEE SOME ACTION?"

It kind of worries me what they'll be complaining about that February.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

24. I assume they'll move on to demanding some kind of...

...legal action - extradition to the hague or some other such vague not-gonna-happen pie-in-the-sky thing. And there's always Lieberman to kick around.

[tom_paine]

35. Yeah, and why don't rape victims get over it, too?

Bunch of fucking pie-in-the sky whiners, if you ask me.

And the way so many of them become loony moonbat pie-in-the-sky rape victim advocates? What a bunch of unreasonable whiners!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

40. I see you've misplaced your crucifix. n/t

[tom_paine]

46. Yeah, I keep it under my yarmulke.

Your analysis is as sharp as it ever was.

[PassingFair]

168. ...there's always LIEBERMAN to kick around?

Why, oh why couldn't we have just left his
sorry REPUBLICAN ass unmolested and in our
party?

Why did we have to go and EXPOSE him for what
he was?

A WAR-PUSHING, Israel-First, WEIRDO.

Are you SERIOUS?

Too bad crazy "fringe" liberals DEMANDED he be dealt with
or he'd do something CRAZY like back
JOHN MCCAIN for president....

[Enrique]

124. they're letting Bush and Cheney off with life in prison!

then they'll provide LINKS proving that TREASON is a CAPITAL OFFENSE!!!!!! COWARDS!!!! Bush and Cheney are obviously blackmailing them into not executing them!

[RaleighNCDUer]

149. We will be complaining about the republican criminals that just stole

their third election in a row.

[EstimatedProphet]

20. Amazingly, Pelosi is now the one most responsible for Bush's destruction of the Constitution

The kind of message Bush has trying to stick in people's heads all along, too. Bush has always tried to place the blame for everything he does on his opponents. Looks like it worked - at least on DU, the Free Republic of the left.

[Joe Fields]

36. She is a CO-FUCKING CONSPIRATOR!!!

[EstimatedProphet]

77. Yes. Of course she is.

Really. She planned Bush's takeover for him too. And she had Reagan installed as President, and she was behind Nixon and Goldwater.

[ronnykmarshall]

155. That's not all!

[tavalon]

184. Pelosi and Reid and the rest of the Democrats who are refusing to do anything are enabling

Bush's destruction of the Constitution. A subtle and yet very important difference. English comprehension can be tough sometimes, but it's a really cool and nuanced language. You should try it sometime.

[Echo In Light]

21. "Never underestimate the servitude and cowardice of intellectuals" - Chomsky

[Tom Joad]

27. Please don't interrupt her, she's in the restroom practicing her wide stance with war lobbies.

tappin her toesies and waving her hand like a monkey, she's willing to give them satisfaction.

[Tom Joad]

29. I don't like Reid/Pelosi/Cheney... but why does this post have to be sexist?

"who did you fight--women?"

A woman standing up for herself is a formidable foe. actually, Pelosi is an example of a woman standing up for her interests, and fighting the people who elected her (if you think most of the nation is antiwar, you should see it in San Francisco!)while protecting the few and wealthy/powerful people who want this war to continue.

Fortunately for us, we have a woman who is also a great fighter for the other side, and pelosi will be challenged.

[nashville_brook]

160. i thought the same thing.

[Fire Walk With Me]

32. If the Dems won't do shit about impeachment, let's hear from the Republicans:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Notice that in that small sampling, the word "law" was invoked some 39 times.

They impeached over a lie about a blow job, stating a Constitutional crisis.

Now it's our turn.

[Joe Fields]

44. Thanks for that!

There seem to be many here who need to be reminded. AND, it would serve us all well for Pelosi, Hoyer, et al to be reminded of all those remarks as well, especially since, in this case, the sentiments would have truth backing them up.

[porphyrian]

37. That gets a kick. -n/t

[WA98296]

43. GREAT POST....Completely, Exactly telling it the way it is. Thanks.

[Supersedeas]

138. I completely agree -- Nancy has been a disaster.

[Yuugal]

45. "If anyone is averse to seeing a heavily laden profane post "

I just have to click the "My DU" button for that. Awesome rant.

K&R

[bonito]

48. K&R!

[Joe Fields]

49. That was a righteous rant, Justice. Tell ya what; you can take a

breather and I'll write one next week. I'm overdue.

[onenote]

50. someone definitely skipped civics class

and I think it was the OP.

Impeachment isn't the trial. The trial is the trial. Trying to analogize the entire impeachment process to a judicial process is silly. Its a unique process. It has several steps. First, the entire House votes to authorize the Judiciary Committee to conduct an inquiry and report back with recommendations as to whether the House should consider articles of impeachment. After said inquiry, if the Judiciary Committee so recommends, the full House votes on whether to adopt articles of impeachment. And if they are adopted, the matter goes to the Senate for a 'trial' do determine whether to 'convict' the impeached official. If the Senate votes to impeach, the official is removed from office.

There is nothing in the Constitution that obligates the House as a whole, or any individual member, to introduce articles of impeachment or to support them or to support the initiation of an impeachment inquiry. Rather, the Constitution states that the House shall have the sole power of impeachment, meaning that the matter is left to the discretion of the House and its members. It is not a violation of any constitutional duty to vote for or against a particular resolution or not to vote at all. To conclude otherwise would mean that all of the Democrats that voted against Clinton's impeachment somehow violated their constitutional duty since a majority vote to impeach. That's absurd. Nor is there any duty to commence an impeachment whenever a president is suspected of (or even proven) to have violated the Constition. If it was otherwise, then Harry Truman should've been impeached and convicted for his seizure of the nation's steel industry -- an action that the Supreme Court found violated the constitution.

I wish that there was greater support for impeachment, but the fact is that there isn't and even the strongest supporters of impeachment in the House realize it. That's why virtually every co-sponsor of Kucinich's resolution to impeach Cheney voted to refer the matter to Committee rather than vote to have it come to an immediate vote, where it would've died, handing the repubs, chimpy and cheney all a major victory.

[ellisonz]

64. I predict there will be very few responses to this post.

Good work.

[terrya]

79. My God...a sane voice of reason and intelligence on this thread.

I'm continually amazed at the level of sheer ignorance about the Constitution many here are so passionate about.

Thank you...a sincere, heartfelt thank you...for your post.

[EstimatedProphet]

82. Well stated

After multiple attempts to explain, people here still don't get that there isn't even the support in the house to START the process, let alone convict in the Senate.

[Sander]

106. Nothing?? -- Read Article II, Sec. 4

"There is nothing in the Constitution that obligates the House as a whole, or any individual member, to introduce articles of impeachment or to support them or to support the initiation of an impeachment inquiry????" Read Article 2, Section 4. "The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."

The word "shall," when used in the third person,is an imperative. Impeachment is not optional when there is treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Looks like someone else failed to pay attention in civics class.

[onenote]

113. try reading it again

it says that once someone has been impeached and convicted, they "shall" be removed. That, as anyone familiar with the English language should know, is not the same thing as requiring impeachment. Indeed, the Constitution couldn't be more clear: The House "shall have the sole power of impeachment." Power, not duty, not obligation. Just as the President has the power to grant pardons, but is under no duty or obligation to do so.

I paid attention in both civics class and English comprehension class. Not so sure about you.

[Usrename]

148. What are you talking about?

Do you really think they were HUGE MORONS?

You do realize that you are aguing that they really meant to say "Treason, Bribery and other High Crimes may be ignored by the Congress whenever they want" but somehow they fucked up the wording and came up with something that says the perps "shall be removed."

How did they make such an enormous mistake? Come on onenote, explain to us idiots that "need a civics lesson."

That argument is just plain stupid. What a fucking idiotic argument.