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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:37 PM
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Fear of subpoenas ‘crippling’ the White House?
Fear of subpoenas ‘crippling’ the White House?
Posted December 24th, 2007 at 2:05 pm

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As she departs the White House, and steps down as Bush’s chief terrorism adviser, Frances Fragos Townsend stopped to tell the NYT how disappointed she is with the political climate in DC.

Promoted to domestic security adviser in 2004, she became a loyalist and said she was leaving wearied by the acrimony that hangs over Mr. Bush’s last year in office.

“I find it both offensive and crippling,” she said. “When both career people and political people are worried about getting subpoenaed, it’s hard to get a lot accomplished.”


Oh, those poor, poor White House officials. If only Congress would go back to ignoring the administration’s scandalous, sometimes criminal, behavior, the president and his aides would find it much easier to go about their business without the fear of accountability. Apparently, we’re supposed to feel sorry for the whole bunch.

But does the Bush gang really find all of this really “offensive and crippling”? What’s offensive about congressional oversight?

For that matter, why is it that executive-branch officials, who presumably aren’t doing anything wrong, feel “crippled” by the fear that they may be asked to account for the decisions?

It just sounds so ridiculous, I’m surprised a top White House official would even say this on the record.

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http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14031.html
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:39 PM
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1. Good......crippling Bushco might save us all.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:42 PM
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3. roger that. Kneecap the bushitler regime now
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:40 PM
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2. She Says That Like It Were A Bad Thing, Ma'am ... How Odd....
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:43 PM
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4. Nah. All they gotta do is destroy and proof of their crimes, stonewall for
13 more months, and they're home free.

I truly believe that's the plan. In the meantime they'll continue to steal everything that isn't nailed down.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:47 PM
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5. Considering that the subpoenas have yets to have teeth
I doubt they're worried about it.

*Bush in Oval Office*

"Sir, we have the mail for you."

"Great! Did I get another kickback from Haliburton?"

"Yes, sir. There was another Subpoena from the House, though."

"Dammit! Get Pelosi on the phone! I told her not to do that!"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:49 PM
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6. I wish they had a fear for IMPEACHMENT!!
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:49 PM
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7. She should take her complaints to Bush-Cheney.
It's their fault that "both career people and political people are worried about getting subpoenaed".
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:53 PM
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8. She was on C-SPAN this morning...
She is the new political Director for the Romney campaign. She sure got back into politics aufully quick. If she was so turned off???
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:00 PM
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11. She might be a problem for Mittens when she gets subpoenaed!
I'm GLAD to see him sticking so close to Bushco! They can destroy him so we won't have to!
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:56 PM
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9. More Buck Passing
This regime has made an artform of finding others to blame for their failures. From the CIA to the Democrat Congress (even when they weren't in control) to the "Librul Media" to us Dirty Fuckin' Hippies...be assured that this regime will find someone else to blame rather than admit any weakness or wrong-doing.

The bottom line is this regime set up a government that can't govern. It's dysfunctional from the top down...a large patronage system intent only on sucking off the US Treasury for their own partisan and corporate gain. It's been crippled since 1-20-01...Katrina showed the world that...and it's worse now as this regime sees the clock winding down on its ability to fleece and obstruct.

It must be rough days for the boooshie...long gone are the Halcyion days of early '05 when they could do no wrong. Nothing was questioned and every talking point stuck. Here's hoping there's a grain of truth to this report and this regime has been slowed in its destructive ways. If that's the case, the '06 elections did accomplish something.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:57 PM
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10. It's hard work to rape and pillage while worried about subpoenas.
Nevermind that millions of citizens have had their phones tapped and email intercepted. After all, 'Privacy' is something only the Masters Of The Universe are entitled to, right?

:puke:
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:03 PM
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12. A great find, babylonsister. Absolutely hilarious that the top WH anti-terrorist official
Edited on Mon Dec-24-07 07:15 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
should be so crass as to publicly, albeit implicitly, proclaim that fear of oversight (insurance for the common good against official misconduct and/or criminality) is so great that it is crippling WH officialdom. Not metaphorically, mark you, but to the extent of preventing the officials from working in what one must assume is the only way they know how! I'm under surveillance even when I go to the bathroom, and it's the best thing that could have happened to me!

You couldn't make it up and tell it as a story line, it sounds so far-fetched. If any of them are impeached, one can only hope that she is called as a witness for the defence! Would she, by any chance, be a graduate of one of those loopy, far right, "fundie" (Christian, as opposed to secular) colleges"?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:15 PM
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16. No fundie schools that I can tell; I think she's too old for that 'crop'. Her
education is impressive. I think she just spent too much time in the wrong place and has become brainwashed...or maybe not, since she's leaving finally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Townsend

graduated cum laude from the American University in 1982 where she received a B.A. in Political Science and a B.S. in Psychology. In 1994, she received her Juris Doctor from the University of San Diego School of Law, and in 1986, attended the Institute on International and Comparative Law in London, England.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:28 PM
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19. As you Americans are sometimes, I believe, wont to say, I believe
Edited on Mon Dec-24-07 08:00 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
about a kid who's not quite sixteen ounces, "There's something not right with that boy....". Well, in this case, "girl". Truth to tell, too many post-graduate degrees and "cum laudes" indicate that to me, I'm afraid. A marked probability that they won't have the sense they were born with. Medicine would different in that regard, and perhaps one or two other fields. Ultimately, as in most areas, motivation is all, where the reality of achievements are concerned.

With the mind, there is always a price to pay for academic excellence driven by o'rweening ambition. Truly brilliant people in my experience tend to be very laid back, because, ultimately, they're interested in truth, before making a name for themselves. You sound like that, babylonsister, or you wouldn't be doing the things you are. Right-side of the brain things, isn't it? If we starve the intuitive, empathetic side of our intelligence we become complete idiots.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:06 PM
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13. Their mistake was eviscerating habeas corpus but not the subponea powers.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:07 PM
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14. Like they had nothing to do with it!
Like they were smitten by the hand of god or some Bush plague.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:08 PM
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15. All together now... "If you have nothing to hide......
Why would you mind coming in and telling the truth"?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:24 PM
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17. And a Merry Christmas to them all!
Edited on Mon Dec-24-07 07:24 PM by eleny
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:27 PM
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18. What they really fear is the Constitution.
If anybody really got busy following that document, they'd all be rooming at the Hotel Leavenworth. (Is that still open?) :)
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:54 PM
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20. Nothing like a little daylight
to keep the cockroaches cowering in the corners.


Shine on!!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:07 PM
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21. Fuck you Frances
There's a constitution.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:09 PM
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22. Frances... You And YOUR ILK, Are offensive And Crippling !!!
FUCK YOU!!!

:nuke:
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:50 PM
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23. Keeping their story straight is hard work!
and destroying evidence is time consuming!
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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 09:36 PM
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24. The language appears to be a strategy....
Edited on Mon Dec-24-07 09:37 PM by pepperbear
one that might work if nobody is paying attention.

I think they just might be leaking this to play the "This is just stopping the president from doing the job the
people elected him to do."
card. Instead of challenging any of the allegations and clearing their name in an open forum, they will continue to obstruct justice.

Again,if nobody is paying attention,This is how they're going to ride it out.



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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 11:37 PM
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25. And yet this frog knew when to leap out of the pot,
because she knew the hot water they are all in.

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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:13 AM
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26. It's Tough Being A Criminal
With all those LAWS and accountability thereto tripping you up every time you try to get something dastardly and heinous accomplished.

No rest for the weary, dearie.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 01:19 PM
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27. Don't believe it for a second....
feigning weakness is one of their ploys. Believe me watch out, and don't begin celebrating yet.

*****Except or Holiday Cheer!!!**************:toast:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 01:26 PM
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28. Actually, they are worried about "indictments" and this is the best spin left!
They are crippled because they may have to answer for their official actions. Oh now, that is just rich BS.

Reality check? They did not foresee accountability, and now they have to answer for their crimes. What they actually fear is indictments.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 01:31 PM
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29. I guess she has a lot to hide.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out! And take that shitty boss with you! Both of them.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 01:31 PM
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30. GOOD! Next Impeach ASAP! (nt)
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