Official FISA BILL DISCUSSION THREAD #8

[BelgianMadCow]

continued from here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2486210#2486853

*crickets*

they are on a break, waiting for senators to speak.

Video and audio on C-Span 2:
http://www.cspan.org/

[BelgianMadCow]

1. Sherrod Brown

says NO to retroactive immunity.

[malaise]

2. Bravo

Go Sherrod.

[Joanne98]

50. I so proud of my Senator!

[VP505]

3. Oh I like

what he is saying. Constitution, Constitution, and more Constitution.

[BelgianMadCow]

4. since when did money trump freedoms?

great stuff

[BelgianMadCow]

6. Brown urges support for the Dodd-Feingold amendment

[VP505]

5. He asks (paraphrased)

since when do we allow companies to violate the constitution for their profits?

[gateley]

8. KILLER line! Bravo!! nt

[Solly Mack]

7. musical interlude

[malaise]

9. Absolutely lovely

I can still see my mother on the piano :D

[gateley]

10. What does this mean?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2487024

[HCE SuiGeneris]

12. Please let me know what you find out...

I'm really at a loss here myself.

[ThomWV]

19. That was just the earlier vote that let the bill go forwar for discussion - to where it is now

[Cerridwen]

23. "Dewey Defeats Truman"

http://www.news.com/2300-1025_3-6216105-2.html

All the news that's fit to create.

[mirrera]

11. Kick...

[ThomWV]

13. They are in Quorum Call right now - out for dinner.

It should be interesting to see what Keith has to say about it tonight.

[robinlynne]

16. Thanks.

[robinlynne]

14. I just got back. what's going on? I hear the music. Is the filibuster continuing after this break?

[ThomWV]

15. WhooWee! Reid is going to allow a vote on an amendment to strike immunity

[robinlynne]

17. Are you hearing the same Reid I'm hearing? He just praised Rockefeller....

[ThomWV]

21. He is trying to broker a deal where the Court will decide on immunity

His first words were that he'd allow it to be struck, now he seems to be backtracking

[robinlynne]

40. the FISA court, which is a secret court. NO NO and NO! This is public info

and the FISA court never says no to anything.

[BelgianMadCow]

47. Yes, I strongly disliked that as well

a secret court cannot set it's own rules - there is no check on them then.

[robinlynne]

49. And the 40 law suits have already come up through the regular courts.

They must be heard! NO COMPROMISE. I am upset by this compromise talk.

[pinto]

18. Good move. We'll see what comes of it. (I see Dodd sitting right there.)

[robinlynne]

22. I happily bite my tongue. looks like you're right.

[Junkdrawer]

20. FoxNews just posted a story that seems to give Dodd the win...

....

Usually filibusters end quickly when senators merely indicate they will not support a bill in the preliminary cloture vote, killing the bill before it goes to final vote. Dodd's spokesman had expressed the senator's willingness to hold the floor even if it meant reading from the Iowa phone book.

On Monday, the senator spent seven hours on the floor, mounting an informal filibuster. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada tried to get Dodd to agree to a 60-vote threshold for all amendments to FISA, but Dodd refused.

Dodd says granting immunity to the telecoms could open the door to letting the administration peer further into Americans' private lives.

"If I can reach in and listen to your phone conversations, why not grant immunity to someone who'd like to know what your medical records or your financial records are under the same argument that's being made here today? ... Where do you stop?" Dodd asked.

The protest gums up the works procedurally. Reid would have to push a series of procedural provisions to shut Dodd down, but the schedule might not allow for that, that is even if Reid wanted to do so, which is not known at this time.

...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317200,00.html

[McCamy Taylor]

24. Reid has a spine!

:dem:

[VP505]

25. Kick

:smoke:

[BelgianMadCow]

28. .

:smoke: :hippie: :evilgrin:

[ThomWV]

26. Something is happening but Harry is all over the place

[Junkdrawer]

31. Dodd just forced Reid to either compromise or own the TelCom immunity...

Reid seems to be choosing compromise.

[McCamy Taylor]

27. Reid wants all the records made available to the whole Senate.

:kick:

[ThomWV]

29. Harry blinks!

He is going to phospone debate on FISA until after the first of the year!

[ThomWV]

30. YEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Dodd wins round 1

[VP505]

32. Looks like

Reid is backing off and will wait until January to finish up on this.

[McCamy Taylor]

33. No bill! Per Reid!

:evilgrin:

No Xmas present for the telecoms

[BelgianMadCow]

34. wOOt

[magellan]

38. Just saw Reid put it off till after Xmas break, thank GOODNESS

Let's hope they come back and vote right on immunity: NO!

[robinlynne]

39. whooh. we can breathe for now.

[McCamy Taylor]

35. Hurray!

:toast: :party: :bounce:

[ralps]

36. Wow!! Harry Reid's withdrawing the bill until January!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[Zodiak]

37. OMG!!!!

Dodd WON????

Holy shit!!

Well, it is a temporary win, but it is still a win, nonetheless.

[ralps]

41. Hi Zodiak Ironfist, Yes he did!! Woohoo!!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[upi402]

42. Woot!

an' shit
Dodd! Well alright!

[BelgianMadCow]

43. Yup. Dodd scores

[HCE SuiGeneris]

46. Time to lobby hard through the holidays (sorry for the offense :-) )

to have the correct bill promoted and approved. Well done Dodd!

[marmar]

44. It's a "false dichotomy"......Amen, Brother Dodd. Preach on!

:applause:

[Cerridwen]

45. A K & and R so DUers can read of an important battle well fought and won.

It's one battle in what needs to be many - but it is a win and a start.

Sen. Reid said he'd received 1000s of calls from around the country from concerned Americans. It sounded as though those calls got his attention. The American public is not happy with being surveilled; we're not going to take it any more, and Harry finally heard it.

Phone calls work. Remember that. Party and celebrate the win. Enjoy what ever holiday you celebrate at this time of the year. We get to do this all over again.

Here's to more victories of more and more battles to take back our rights.

:toast:

[BelgianMadCow]

48. Mr. Akaka

Roll call / break