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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:52 PM
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It is Unconceivable That The Senate Might Pass A FISA Bill With Immunity For The Phone Companies
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 07:53 PM by ThomWV
I just can not say anything more than this madness will never stop if this is all the fight that is in the Democratic Party.
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thepurpose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:54 PM
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1. I got a thread lock for saying something about the lack of fight in the democrat party so I'm afraid
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 07:57 PM by thepurpose
it apparently doesn't matter because it hurts feeling here.
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:08 PM
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10. just keep goose stepping in line and you'll be fine....
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thepurpose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:13 PM
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15. LoL. Thanks for the advice. Believe me I learned my lesson.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:09 AM
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31. hell say what you think, if it gets blocked so be it.
people notice
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:00 AM
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28. If it's any consolation MOST of us agree with you! hell, most Americans agree with you.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:02 PM
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34. I defend the party all the time, but
I couldn't defend them for allowing a FISA bill with weaker protections than the Judiciary Committee included to pass.

I could understand the telecoms getting immunity if in return Bush consented to cooperating with all Senate probes.

The telecoms were asked by the government to do what they did. If the phone companies were little people instead of big corporations the fact that the government asked them to break the law would be considered by the public to be a mitigating factor.

I'm still opposed to immunity because they broke the law. I think though that the Bush cabal should be added as a defendant in the suits.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:55 PM
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2. Totally depressing that Reid caved.
I believe that the Senate Dems will give Bush what he wants until the election so that Republicans cannot use any vote by the Dems against the Democratic nominee.
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thepurpose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:56 PM
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4. You are kidding right? You still believe things will change? I don't
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:58 PM
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6. No, I'm saying things are going to stay just like this till at least election day.
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thepurpose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:03 PM
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8. Sorry. Election day isn't going to change a thing. I wish I had your outlook, but I'm about beat
down by this crap. I seriously am. I so hope you are right and I am dead wrong. You just don't know.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:07 PM
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9. I think what happens after election day will depend on who wins the election.
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thepurpose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:12 PM
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14. Well that's my problem. I don't think it will matter. With our leadership in the Senate seeming to
want the approval of republicans and of the asshats in the media, which is with few exception right wing I don't see things changing. Even if a democrat wins. Like I said I hope the day comes when the tide finally turns, but the track record sucks. It really sucks right now.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:11 AM
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32. The dems are already up to their necks in blood.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:56 PM
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3. C'mon - You'll Vote For Them Again
Most of us will. And they know it.

We have met the enemy, and they is us.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:11 PM
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13. Sucks to be in a two-party system, but we really have no other party to vote for.
If we did vote for another party, we risk splitting the vote and handing victory to the Republicans.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:30 PM
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19. That's why we have primaries
We don't have to always vote for the incumbent. Primaries are our chance to get Dems from the Democratic wing of the party.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:31 PM
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21. Yeah, but historically the incumbency rate has been as high as 90 percent or even higher.
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 10:35 PM by Selatius
Not good odds for the challenger in general, and it's acting like a log jam in the river of change. I'm not talking about presidential races but congress in general. I favored systems of representation that allow many parties to hold seats in congress. Proportional representation is one example. There are systems that combine elements of that with elements of our system forming mixed systems, like mixed-member proportional representation such as the one Germany utilizes for its Bundestag or the two-round system France uses for its General Assembly.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:56 PM
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5. I am bitterly disappointed.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:01 PM
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7. I know the feeling.
It's was one thing when it was the pubs against you. You knew your enemy, it wasn't pleasant, but you could deal with it. When your enemy is your own side, what the hell now? It's like finding out the cops are crooked in your town. Now you're fighting both the cops and the robbers.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:08 PM
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11. Hardly "inconceivable" considering this congress's aptitude for caving.
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:09 PM
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12. one party system folks..... run by the corporations.....
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:13 PM
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16. AT&T is HOT on the Stock Market now. Remember they do the "I-Phone"
Sole Provider.... Lots of Apple "I-Phone" buyers are kind of upset about this deal.

They have profited well by giving Bushies what they wanted. Dems don't want to look like they are against "American Telecoms," so they will cave.

They are the Party of Clintons and DLC....NOT ALL...but MANY of our DEMS in Congress...and Harry Reid is run by Nevada. Many of our Dem Senators are so DLC/BIG BUSINESS/NAFTA/DEREGULATION that they can't separate anything out. And they don't honor what our Progressive Dems in the HOUSE Send them in Bills.

Remember that House Dems voted AGAINST IMMUNITY for AT&T. It's Reid and the Dems there who will do the dirty deed of canning it so Bush gets what he wants for those who spyed on their customers. :-(
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:13 PM
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17. WHY WON'T REID ANSWER THIS QUESTION!?
If the fucking telecoms did nothing wrong, why do they need immunity? Unless they did do something wrong!? Gee, ya think they are doing it to protect their own ass from something we don't yet know about!?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:02 AM
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29. If the info comes out, they would have to investigate Bush. They obviously would rather
give away the entire country than impeach the bastard.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:21 PM
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18. $
That is all.
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Old Codger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:56 PM
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20. yup
the demecons and repblicats will work it out to do whatever big business and the bush regime want....
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:48 PM
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22. Corporate Dollars Have A Lot To Do With Dems Caving On Telcom Immunity
And John Edwards is right about the entrenched corporate interests in Washington DC and their grip on a rigged system.

This is just indefensible. You NEVER GIVE IMMUNITY unless and until you FIRST KNOW EVERYTHING and that has not happened here.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:06 PM
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23. Me fail English?
That's unpossible!

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:51 PM
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24. Harry Reid will make it happen. To keep the peace. .
I've tried to help, but so sorry, I'm done. Try searches. And thanks for thinking it's inconceivable.
I used to think so also.
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Diamond Dave Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:58 PM
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25. How could it possibly be "inconceivable" with all that has transpired?
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 12:16 AM by Diamond Dave
It is entirely conceivable.

It is a shame though.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:59 PM
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26. They've ....got....
Executive privilege don't you know
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:00 AM
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27. The one-party system
is alive and well
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:06 AM
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30. Maybe we Americans need to incorporate to get them on our side
All 300 million of us.

We the People, Inc.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:35 AM
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33. You ain't been payin' attention much, have you?
Plenty of unconceivable goin' round lately.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:04 PM
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35. CORPORATE GOVERNMENT at it's finest
It doesn't matter which party is running the country. We The People are now subjects to our Corporate Government.
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