Who made this famous statement and when was it made?

[L. Coyote]

Poll question: Who made this famous statement and when was it made?

"It is now clear that we are facing an implacable enemy whose avowed objective is world domination by whatever means and whatever cost. There are no rules in such a game. Hitherto acceptable norms of human conduct do not apply. If the (empire name here) is to survive, longstanding concepts of 'fair play' must be reconsidered. We must develop effective espionage, and counter espionage services, and must learn to subvert, sabotage, and destroy our enemies by more clever, more sophisticated, and more effective methods than those used against us. It may be necessary that the (empire name here) people be made acquainted with, understand, and support this fundamentally repugnant philosophy."

PLEASE. Do not post answer in the subject line. Hide it a bit.

Poll result (48 votes)
George W. "Waterboard" Bush in 2002.	(0 votes, 0%)	Vote
Richard B. S. Cheney in 1984.	(6 votes, 13%)	Vote
Joseph Stalin in 1940.	(7 votes, 15%)	Vote
Julius Ceasar just before he was stabbed in the Roman Senate.	(3 votes, 6%)	Vote
Punctual Pilot when he sentences that rebel from Galilee.	(1 votes, 2%)	Vote
Jose A. Rodriguez at his retirement in 2007.	(0 votes, 0%)	Vote
Michael Mukasey during his recent confirmation hearing.	(0 votes, 0%)	Vote
Jimmy Doolittle in 1954.	(19 votes, 40%)	Vote
Woodrow Wilson in 1917 as the US entered WW I.	(11 votes, 23%)	Vote
You are making this stuff up. Noone would ever say that.	(1 votes, 2%)	Vote

[TwilightGardener]

1. I'll have to go with Wilson, because I don't know anybody who

still uses the word "hitherto".

[L. Coyote]

13. You might have a valid point there.

Not the sort of thing you would expect of a recent Ivy League cheerleader

[eleny]

2. I thought maybe it was Truman upon starting up the CIA

Oh well.

[L. Coyote]

5. Didn't the CIA start up later?

[Virginia Dare]

15. OSS was the precursor to the CIA...

wasn't it formed just after WWII?

[L. Coyote]

16. President Harry S. Truman established the Central Intelligence Group in January 1946,

directing it to coordinate existing departmental intelligence, supplementing but not supplanting their services. This was all to be done under the direction of a National Intelligence Authority composed of a Presidential representative and the Secretaries of State, War and Navy.

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/ciahist.htm

[Virginia Dare]

19. That was my recollection, thanks L.C.!...n/t

[eleny]

27. I thought Truman started it

Maybe I ought to finish that Truman biography!

[L. Coyote]

18. You were right.

and I'm trying to push the answer down a bit

[eleny]

28. You put a lot int this poll and I enjoyed just reading the choices

Make more polls!

[L. Coyote]

29. Thanks. A light moment on a depressing topic is sometimes needed.

I'm researching some heavy topics, esp. heavy for me--I was stabbed nine times in 1986 in Central America, and the quote came up.

George Bush Sr. May Face Charges: Conspiring to Kidnap and Murder Political Activists
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[EVDebs]

3. Doolittle. See 'Staying The Course' at

http://www.thinkingpeace.com/index.php?paged=82

The result was the National Security Act of 1947 written by Clark Clifford if memory serves me correctly. Truman regretted this immensely.

"And we jokingly laughed that the National Security Act that created the CIA in '47 was written by a guy called Clark Clifford, who was a Wall Street banker and lawyer. He's the guy that brought us BCCI. The job of writing the outline for CIA, the design for the Agency, was given to Clark Clifford by John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles--both law partners in the Wall Street law firm of Sullivan and Cromwell. In '69 after Nixon came in, the Chairman of SEC was William Casey--the same guy who was Ronald Reagan's Director of Central Intelligence. And the current Vice President in charge of enforcement for the New York Stock Exchange, Dave Dougherty, is a retired CIA General Counsel. The CIA is Wall Street, and vice versa. When you understand that, and that money is the primary objective, everything else just falls into place.--Mike Ruppert (Wall Street, CIA and the Global Drug Trade)"

http://www.whale.to/b/cia_q.html

[eleny]

4. Psssst....

It would have been nice if you waited for more people to try and guess.

[L. Coyote]

7. Still time to fix that!!!

[SidDithers]

8. Uhh...I'm gonna go with Doolitle...nt

Sid

[EVDebs]

10. Read my post #3. The info on Clark Clifford, a Democrat, should make you wince

Also, most of the early cadre of CIA were Knights of Malta. Research this group and see how the old guard of Freemasons from 1776 until 1947) successfully guarded the Constitution. Until the day that act was signed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Clifford

First American Becomes Largest Database In The World
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BNP/is_12_23/ai...

"Data Tree LLC, San Diego, Calif., the nation's largest provider of recorded property document images and a member of The First American Corporation (NYSE: FAF) family of companies, has announced that it has exceeded a 2 billion image collection milestone, making its database the largest of its kind in the world."

and combined with ChoicePoint in GA and Global Information Group in the Bahamas, Ben H. Bell's company, safely offshore, you now know you can't have ANY privacy. The corporations won't allow it.

[EVDebs]

24. The year was 1954 but the 1947 National Security Act had already passed

American intellegence was proving itself inadequate to the challenge. The president appointed a special commission to make recommendations. The year was 1954. The commission chairman was James Doolittle, the retired bomber general who had led the first air raid against Tokyo.

”It is now clear,” he stated in his report to President Eisenhower, ”that we are facing an implacable enemy whose avowed objective is world domination by whatever means and whatever cost. There are no rules in such a game. Hitherto acceptable norms of human conduct do not apply. If the United States is to survive, longstanding concepts of ‘fair play’ must be reconsidered. We must develop effective espionage and counter-espionage services, and must learn to subvert, sabotage, and destroy our enemies by more clever, more sophisticated, and more effective methods than those used against us. It may be necessary that the American people be made acquainted with, understand, and support this fundamentally repugnant philosophy.”

And by this time, Wild Bill Donovan's gang had already been doing hits in Europe along with the dock activities in Marseilles to support the French war in Vietnam. The Knights of Malta were already doing their thing.

[Mountainman]

6. Herbert Hoover or the Hoover Commission

Also I read that it was the Doolittle committee, I am no historian

[HeraldSquare212]

9. I would have guessed Churchill

I didn't know Americans referred to an 'American Empire' back then.

[ThomWV]

38. Looked a like like that dispicable bastard to me too

[alcibiades_mystery]

11. Who the hell is "punctual pilot?"

[smalll]

32. If there were justice in this world, "punctual pilot" would get up there in DU-lore with "morans" or

"I don't drink with you!"
Keep kicking until people notice!

[L. Coyote]

34. Aahh, the orotund maleloquence ballehooed to effectuate Duzzyness!

[smalll]

35. I'm guessing you have to fly a lot for your job - it's understandable -

you're thinking, "just give me a punctual pilot, he can do whatever he wants to Our Savior, just get me to LAX on schedule!"

[L. Coyote]

36. That's a good slogan for emerging facsism "just get me to LAX on schedule!"

if the trains run on time, who cares if they are going to the concentration camps

[Adsos Letter]

12. Hmmmm.....

...I thought it was my wife during her last major conflict with the ants around our place...

[Virginia Dare]

14. Has Dick Cheney ever made a "famous statement"?

he's made a few infamous statements, I'll give you that. Go fuck yourself comes to mind.

[L. Coyote]

26. His letter to Joe Wilson asking for a $1,000 donation might fit the bill.

[Labors of Hercules]

17. Bombs away...

Better repugnant policies to end a war killing millions than to start and continue one indefinitely.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. Whoops, the guess is now "hidden".

Uncle Joe Stalin.

[LeftishBrit]

21. Wow...

I am sure it comes from the Cold War; but I can't work out which side! Possibly Joe McCarthy or someone of that ilk - J. Edgar Hoover? The young Richard Nixon? On the other hand, it could also be Stalin or one of his supporters.

[L. Coyote]

23. Process of elimination.

1. "...fundamentally repugnant philosophy." eliminates Cheney and Stalin.

2. Vocabulary like "implacable" and "avowed" eliminates Bush. .....

[LiberalHeart]

25. It was Jenna. Why isn't her name one of the choices?

[ben_meyers]

22. I can answer that in 30 seconds, over. n/t

[L. Coyote]

30. kick for the late crowd

[Occam Bandage]

31. 30 seconds. And I can't say I completely disagree.

[alfredo]

33. Sounds like something a person from Georgia would say.

[L. Coyote]

37. wooosh ?? You mean your Senators??

[alfredo]

39. Stalin was born in Georgia down near Armenia.

[L. Coyote]

42. Good trivia knowledge, that! "Bush and Stalin bring new meaning to Red."

[treestar]

40. I don't know, but guessed Jimmy Doolittle in 1954

I have no idea who he is, but he sounds like an American, and that quote sounds like something an American in the McCarthy era would say.

My second choice in Richard Cheney in 1994. By then, he would be having his grandiose ideas about making Islam the subject of the New Cold War for which we would "need" plenty of Halliburton, et al's products.

[mdmc]

41. kick

[L. Coyote]

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