This nose up look is why I can't stand Obama

[NewHampster]

When he does that, like during the debate, I get all icky. Really looks like the know it all professor who really only knew how to study and take tests better than the rest of us.

But Hillary reminds me of looking up to my Grandma when I really really wanted that stuffed animal on the shelf at FAO.



Hillary is My 44

[TwilightGardener]

1. You're a little weird.

[burythehatchet]

172. "little" is relative

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

183. NOSES, NOSES, NOSES - I CAN'T STAND ALL THOSE NOSES ON MY TV SCREEN!

[Libby2]

2. Please say you're kidding, about the look. n/t

[pennylane100]

3. I think he is soo cute when he poses like that.

but I am still going to vote for Edwards.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

43. how DARE he wear a tie like that?

Doesn't he realize that tie symbolizes the infamous International Union of left-handed, transvestite, myopic, porno-reading, pot-smoking, tap-dancing, reformation-minded, slightly deaf, retired dutch windmill repairmen and dike salesmen? Just wait til Penn does a poll on the ties that Obama wears. Then, he'll see. Boy, will he get it then.

[immoderate]

73. That does it -- another anti-tap dancing thread!

I'm sick of this shit, and I won't put up with it. Any time people disagree with something, they think they can compare it to tap dancing in derogatory terms. Tap dancers are people too, and don't deserve to be lumped in with such as the myopic. Sometimes I want to quit this damn board when I see screeds of intolerance like this.

Tap dancers are always happy and smiling (except maybe Savion Glover.) When it rains, they sing in it, and I'm sick and tired of this incessant bullshit!

--IMM

[NewHampster]

79. I fully agree

[EFerrari]

115. I'll add my time steps to that.

lol

[jhrobbins]

180. Well, I'm here to support my fellow left handed, myopic, transvestites

that are porno-reading, pot-smoking, reformation-minded and slightly deaf. Ok, maybe I'm not left handed and the transvestite thing was just that one Halloween; pot smoking I quit about 25 years ago. But I am reformation minded and Renaissance minded as well and I do have a bit of a hearing problem in my left ear. But other than that, I am really pissed off about that darn tie.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

204. and tap-dancers? well, (tap tap tap) we're waiting.

[blm]

4. Which one is more likely to open the books on BushInc as president?

THAT should be any Democratic citizens' main concern at this point in our history.

[Truth2Tell]

9. None of the above?

[maddiejoan]

13. Well it sure ain't gonna be Obama

He's the Captain of the "Get along gang"

I don't think any of them will --but out of the pack the two most likely will be:

Kucinich --'cos that's who he is.

or

Hillary -- 'cos Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
(This is the woman who practically coined the phrase "Right Wing Conspiracy")

[blm]

23. Guess you missed all that protection Bill gave to Poppy Bush throughout the 90s?

when there were so many outstanding matters of Poppy's involvements in illegal operations.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

You may also have believed that Marc Rich was pardoned for being just another wealthy tax evader wrongfully charged when he was actually another operative of Poppy Bush's BCCI and IranContra ventures. Yes - Clinton pardoned an IranContra figure for Poppy.

[maddiejoan]

27. Uhm.

Bill isn't running for President.

His better-half is.

[blm]

32. Uhm. She won't open the books because Bill's legacy is now contingent on protecting

Poppy's secrecy and privilege.

You think Hillary wants the public to know how much Bill did to protect Poppy?

Hard to explain how she didn't know the extent of the protection given throughout that time.

[maddiejoan]

35. I was under the impression

That we were talking about Hillary and Junior.

I'm voting for Hillary, Bill isn't running in case you didn't notice, and Poppy was President 16 years ago.

[blm]

48. You think any of Poppy's operations stopped in the 90s? BushInc grew STRONGER in the 90s

and continue today, now with Bill Clinton cheerfully showing up at Poppy's side for the last 7 years vouching for his integrity.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[maddiejoan]

54. Again

I'm voting for HILLARY Clinton.

[blm]

61. Yeah - because she didn't know ANY of this was going on and she'll open the books

on BushInc so her husband's legacy as Poppy's protector will be shown for all the world to see?

Sure she will.

[maddiejoan]

63. She hasn't been President yet either.

What's your point?

[blm]

67. Bill's legacy isn't HER legacy? Nice trick to try and pull off. I didn't know ANYTHING

about Bill's protection of Bush1 shows she is not observant, not comprehensive, has no sense of discernment and shouldn't be president.

[maddiejoan]

70. I didn't say she knows nothing.

I said she hasn't been President yet.

She's not her husband in case you haven't noticed.

She's her own woman.

You don't know what she would do as President, and saying she would exactly the same thing as Bill is not winning your argument, it's baseless speculation.

Bill Clinton's legacy is not Hillary Clinton's legacy.

[blm]

83. Believing she has no interest in protecting her husband's legacy is baseless

speculation that would be laughed out of court.

[maddiejoan]

92. Really?

Laughed out of court?

What court is that? What's the accusation here?

That wives always do what they're husbands do?

[blm]

159. HAHA - you want to claim she was oblivious to the protection granted Poppy Bush?

That's a GREAT quality to have as president - someone who never noticed for 8 yrs in the WH that her husband had policies of protecting BushInc throughout the 90s.

Guess he never shared his foreign policy discussions with her then since they usually involved continuing Poppy's policies.

[Whisp]

78. so there goes her valuable white house experience then...

good to see that you agree.

[blm]

205. heheh...funny stuff, eh?

it seems to be another case of ............. not knowing much real history.

[eallen]

74. Hillary loves power & will do nothing to limit the executive while she is in office.

[skipos]

5. I don't like Hillary's lipstick. That's why I don't support her. nt

[mmonk]

6. A word of caution.

Don't make politicians your heroes.

[Buzz Clik]

7. Oh. Shit.

At least we've finally gotten to the substantive issues.

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. ROFL

Damn know-it-all professorial expressions!

[EFerrari]

44. "Hold it right there, I've got the nose!"

[xultar]

8. This is the type of post that makes Clinton supporters look bad. The camera angle

has much to do with the look. FURTHERMORE...looks ain't got shit to do with it.

What about issues and such? Why not provide objective discussion on the issues not looks. This post is just as bad as those who ding Clinton on her looks.

I have to tag this as a loser post.

so when people pummel your ass for this stoopid post don't expect an escape pod.

[frogcycle]

14. posts don't make Clinton supporters look bad

Clinton supporters make Clinton supporters look bad

[xultar]

25. In this case I'd have to agree

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. You shouldn't be allowed to vote

Just sayin'...

[Lex]

11. Good god. I do hope you are kidding.

Shallow, shallow, shallow.

[NewHampster]

51. Yes I'm being shallow. Horibbly so

and I would not base my vote on how a candidate looks. I will in fact support Obama if he gets the nomination. I'll phone bank, knock on doors and write letters to the editor.

I am a Democrat.

The point of this post is it is exactly the kind of crap we will face in the general. The average non-thinking republican and many independents do base their vote on looks, snark from Limbaugh and lots of other crap.

If any of you think Obama is immune then I'm sorry for outcome that Rove has planned.

Hillary is My 44

[uppityperson]

69. I know what you mean. Guliani looks so much more presidential.

I'm considering voting for him if he gets the nomination.

Though having video media coverage is interesting. Remember back when many didn't know FDR was in a wheelchair for quite some time. Too many people are looking for a Big Daddy, or a King Figure, when they look at the pres candidates, and miss what all comes with the package.

[goodgd_yall]

15. Aaa, it's just impressions, not substance

This is the kind of thing that worries me---that people will use these same ludicrous reasons to support or not support a candidate.

[NewHampster]

40. Like rethugs maybe in the general

[Warpy]

16. That's how "leaders" are always photographed

from the waist looking up, as though they're on some sort of pedestal in front of the photographer.

It's stupid and I wish to hell they'd stop it. It's completely inappropriate in a country that calls itself a democracy. It's more fitting to those that have royalty.

[NeedleCast]

17. I don't think I will base my 2008 prez vote on

posture.

[jpak]

18. Yes - he looks too "French" for me

[ChairmanAgnostic]

45. LOL! love it.

[Leopolds Ghost]

199. HAH! n/t

[EFerrari]

19. He's trying to look above the hot lights in his face.

Good God.



Edit: If you look at the pic of HRC you posted, she's doing the same thing.

[maddiejoan]

21. While I think this is a ridiculous topic

It's quite obvious from the lighting that the klieg lights are above them.

Not below them.

The angle has more to do with the fact that the candidates are on a stage, and the photographer would have been in the audience.

[EFerrari]

It is ridiculous. And, you're probably right about the shooter

but look carefully at the angle of both heads. Those noses and chins seem to be seeking a more comfortable, middle place between the light from above and below. I have no way of knowing if there were lights on stage other than the photographers' flashes -- in themselves, they can make you pull your chin up and away.

And, then someone on a message board reads it as arrogance. Oh, my.

[maddiejoan]

33. I'm both a public speaker and a photographer

trust me on this one

Avoiding the lights would have one looking down or straight ahead --not up

Hell --I have photos taken of myself that look like that too. (*well --more like Hill's but I wear nicer lippy)

[EFerrari]

34. I'm a speaker as well and I can't tell you how many times

I've tried to find a place to "look" which just ended up being worse than where I was looking before.

But, lol, I'm also dyslexic.

[maddiejoan]

37. hahaha

I'm also dyslexic!

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. .....that uppity man. Oh ya....he's clean too!

Geezus. This is one for the books. Do you have something against good posture?

He's a very down-to-earth man.....not at all uppity.

[mopinko]

49. i was gonna flat out say it.

i will just ditto your comment and leave it at that. i think most people get it.

[EFerrari]

52. Thank you. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

89. I had flat out said it...typed it and deleted it after I thought better of it.

I figured DUers would catch the drift.

[Bright Eyes]

22. I don't know, but i like Huckabee!

He looks like someone i could have a beer with!

After all, appearances trump issues right?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. That's the best argument to vote for Hillary that I've ever heard.

[Flabbergasted]

182. Bar none.

[MadHound]

26. Congratulations, you won the contest for most shallow reason to vote for a candidate

What's next, not voting for somebody because they have too much gel in their hair

[formerrepuke]

28. It could well his (subconscious) method to focuses his eyes... and nothing more..n/t

[Tellurian]

29. You mean looking down his nose at someone or something in disgust?

yeah, pretty ugly, if you ask me..I'm sure knowing Obama's weaknesses and insecurities, he is very adept at hiding his true feelings. Except when he's caught on camera like in the above photo..His dark side comes spilling out!

[blondeatlast]

30. Wow. If my granny looked at me like that I'd run under the house. nt

[iamthebandfanman]

31. looks like shes doing the same thing to me, call me crazy n/t

[EFerrari]

38. She is doing the same thing. n/t

[peaches2003]

36. Sounds good to me

After the last 7 yrs a professor who studied hard sounds good to me. We don't want or need another class clown.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

39. as much as i dislike obama the level of our debate on du has become really trashy.

we have gone from debating politics to debate aesthetics

or from posting badly photoshopped pics of dem candidates (hillary as hilter, pelosi as marie antionette etc)

its quite shameful really esp because we criticize the msm for this


edited to add: i assume what you posted was to point this out.

[Duncan Grant]

41. You're a satirical genius!

Personally, I'm basing my decision on who's using the most effective teeth whitening strips.

[Ohio Joe]

42. Looks both handsome and Presidential to me - nt

[Strawman]

46. Here's my candidate...a write in

She's way more down to earth. And she's not too high falutin' to rock out to Dio either.

Hillary thinks she's all high and mighty with her fancy business lady suit. I'll never vote for her. She's way to snobby to bust out into "Rainbow in the Dark."

[Bongo Prophet]

194. Hey Strawman! She totally rocks, looks like me mum.

I hear DUers talking all the time about you, but this is the first time I have seen one of your posts.

Seriously, DUers are always talking about Strawman and your "arguments"

U R FAMOUS!!!

[Marr]

47. I give you the Hillary Clinton supporter.

Substantive issues? Who gives a shit?

[ThomCat]

50. Please try judging a candidate without looking at pictures.

You might actually pay attention to something that matters.

[Evoman]

53. Lol, Anti-intellectual much?

Maybe you would feel better if Obama looked like a guy you could have a beer with.

[NewHampster]

55. Reply to all - Yes I'm being shallow and dumb for a point

This is copied from one of my replies above.

Yes, I'm being shallow, horribly so and I would not base my vote on how a candidate looks. I will in fact support Obama if he gets the nomination. I'll phone bank, knock on doors and write letters to the editor.

I am a Democrat.

The point of this post is it is exactly the kind of crap we will face in the general. The average non-thinking republican and many independents do base their vote on looks, snark from Limbaugh and lots of other crap.

If any of you think Obama is immune then I'm sorry for the outcome that Rove has planned.

Hillary is My 44

[Evoman]

59. hehe...

In the general....ya don't have to go to the general to face this kind of stupidity!

[Occam Bandage]

98. Okay, so take a look at your thread now.

You say, "LOL OMBAMA LOOKS DUMB. HILLARY LOOKS NICE. NOT LIKE DUMB OBAMA."
Everyone else goes, "WTF that's stupid. Nobody will be convinced by that shit."
You say, "THE REPUBLICANS ARE GONING TO SAY OBAMA LOOKS DUMB! THAT IS MY PIONT!!!!!"
To which I now reply, "Good. It'll work about as well as it did for you in this thread."

Ironic that you claim you're worried about people voting for looks (or for that matter, charisma of any sort), since Clinton polls worst on charisma of the Big Three.

[EFerrari]

114. Nope. The point of your OP was a disgusting slur on Obama.

Does the Clinton campaign never LEARN?

Christ.

[NewHampster]

145. I am an atheist and your use of the word Christ pisses me off

Don't you ever learn

[Marr]

161. Oh, right- it was satire. Sure.

That's why you praised your chosen candidate's appearance, but mocked her competition's appearance.

Please. The only thing that looks dumber than the initial post is trying to act like it was some kind of clever ruse. This isn't Free Republic, you know. This place isn't filled with morons.

[NewHampster]

164. I beg to differ

"This place isn't filled with morons"

Just look around you in almost any thread that the OP like me doesn't spell things out in black and white. and that wasn't a racial slur.

[Marr]

166. DU is full of morons?

Between that comment and your sad attempt at spinning an idiotic, shallow, and vaguely racist opening post, I have to wonder whether you might feel more at home on another site. If you know what I mean.

[demigoddess]

56. I just love the way you all argue substance. Believe me you do not dislike bush

because of his looks. But you will critique looks, lipstick, ties, and hairdos. God!! Some of our best president wore powedered wigs and wooden teeth for crying out loud!!!

[NewHampster]

57. see my post above

[William769]

58. K&R!

[meowomon]

60. A little "uppity"?

Is that what you mean?

[Lex]

65. ouch

nt

[Stephanie]

184. you beat me to it

unbelievable

[CoffeeCat]

62. Since we're being weird about looks....

I'd just like to take this opportunity to say...

John Edwards is SMOKIN HOT!!!

Can you stand it??? I can't!

Did you see the video of him sledding? Nothing like a
BLAZING HOT presidential candidate taking those snowy
hills in his faded Levis.

The man is cute beyond repair--from any angle and in any lighting.

...glad that's off my chest.

[meowomon]

64. yep

He's our Mitt.

[TwilightGardener]

66. True that. Between either him or Obama, I could be a happy woman for four years.

[SDuderstadt]

86. Wienerdoggie is a chick? Umm, I mean, woman?

I think everyone's screenname should be gender indicative. Oh, wait, mine isn't either. Nevermind.

[TwilightGardener]

94. LOL!

[NewHampster]

91. wiernerdoggie what about me?

[TwilightGardener]

95. Hillary's a fine-looking woman. If she's President, I wish you four years

of happy ogling!

[NewHampster]

71. Yeah but I met him and he's shorter than me

or he sure looks it and I'm 5'8"

[AlCzervik]

68. U can starts a flamebait?

[NewHampster]

72. I actually went to Flame Bait U

but dropped out to attend The School of Hard Knocks. TSHK alum

[AlCzervik]

77. tell your wife my guest room is all ready for her.

[NewHampster]

82. She already lives in ours

She's a friggin BamaDroid

[AlCzervik]

84. I'm also buying her a plane ticket.

and lots of booze.

[NewHampster]

87. No way

we need her here to campaign for Hillary in the general.

[Whisp]

75. gawd what a stupid post.

I guess you'd rather have him with eyes cast down and submissive.

[NewHampster]

76. Please look at my replies above or READ this

I would not base my vote on how a candidate looks. I will in fact support Obama if he gets the nomination. I'll phone bank, knock on doors and write letters to the editor.

I am a Democrat.

The point of this post is it is exactly the kind of crap we will face in the general. The average non-thinking republican and many independents do base their vote on looks, snark from Limbaugh and lots of other crap.

If any of you think Obama is immune then I'm sorry for outcome that Rove has planned.

Hillary is My 44

[foo_bar]

93. "The point of this post is... crap"

The point of this post is it is exactly the kind of crap we will face in the general.

Calling it foreshadowing or satire doesn't explain the ubersincere "looking up to my Grandma" passage, where you point out that Obama doesn't superficially resemble your ancestors. If it's meant to be a mockery of racism and anti-intellectualism in the future tense, why does the Goofus and Gallant caption compare Obama to your candidate and not someone he'd face in a general election?

[smoogatz]

80. Right on, dude.

Because first off, college professors don't really know anything—all those years they invest in getting fancy degrees an' stuff don't make them any better educated than anybody else! Second, I'm pretty sure you win the prize for stupidest fucking post of the week. Congratulations!

[NewHampster]

81. Thanks

[zorahopkins]

85. His Tie. Her Jewelry

I simply cannot STAND the ties Sen. Obama wears. They look so -- I don't know -- so much like what some rich Senator would wear. I would never vote for someone who wears ties like THAT!

And Sen. Clinton's jewelry! I mean, come ON! It looks like jewelry someone would wear if they were trying to impress someone. I would never vote for someone who wears jewelry like THAT!

Does anyone think I am being too superficial?

[NewHampster]

88. No

[book_worm]

90. uppity black man, huh?

[truedelphi]

97. But he's using a bit too much of that skin lightner product

For my taste.

Although ever since HIllary started wearing contacts, I realized she was faux.

[RandomKoolzip]

96. Well, that's a solid, logical criteria on which to base your decision for leader of the free world.

[Occam Bandage]

99. Anti-intellectual? Check. Vague racism? Check. Cheapening of debate? Check. Congratulations!

12/14/07 DAILY LIMBAUGH AWARD FOR EXCELLENCE IN FAILURE: NEW HAMPSTER

[NewHampster]

100. I've always wanted one of those and I'm at a loss for words

[uppityperson]

101. and awarded by the best! Congratulations

[Forkboy]

103. It's a shame you weren't at a loss for words BEFORE you posted this inane shit.

All your dodging in the thread itself just makes it sadder.

[Connie_Corleone]

102. Yeah, Obama is being UPPITY.

[donheld]

104. That's just about the stupidest thing I've heard yet

[NewHampster]

106. Ah but I love your sig line

Yes, I be horribly disrespectful for the following reason.

I would not base my vote on how a candidate looks. I will in fact support Obama if he gets the nomination. I'll phone bank, knock on doors and write letters to the editor.

I am a Democrat.

The point of this post is it is exactly the kind of crap we will face in the general. The average non-thinking republican and many independents do base their vote on looks, snark from Limbaugh and lots of other crap.

If any of you think Obama is immune then I'm sorry for outcome that Rove has planned.

Hillary is My 44

[JuniperLea]

105. Well, I think you are wrong on part of this...

But I'm NOT going to bash you like my fellow DUers on this thread... sheesh... someone must have pissed in the collective DU Wheaties today.

I don't like that look on Obama either, but Hillary is too pro-war for my taste.

See! My opinion, although different from yours, can coexist nicely in the same thread! What a concept! I don't have to call you an idiot, or tell you where your faults are to disagree! Smashing good time!

[NewHampster]

107. Thanks J and see below

I would not base my vote on how a candidate looks. I will in fact support Obama if he gets the nomination. I'll phone bank, knock on doors and write letters to the editor.

I am a Democrat.

The point of this post is it is exactly the kind of crap we will face in the general. The average non-thinking republican and many independents do base their vote on looks, snark from Limbaugh and lots of other crap.

If any of you think Obama is immune then I'm sorry for outcome that Rove has planned.

Hillary is My 44

[Warren DeMontague]

109. I guess that's gonna be the standard defense this primary season, huh?

"Yes, I chucked a big ball of mud in your face. But I wasn't really chucking a big ball of mud in your face.. I was doing with the noble purpose of demonstrating what the mud-chucking Republicans will do in the general. Here, let me demonstrate it some more"

[NewHampster]

113. Hillary smiled with the patience

Hillary smiled with the patience of a grandmother stuck babysitting bratty kids as reporters barraged her with breathless questions about whether Obama's drug history is the sort of surprise she's talking about and whether she thinks general-election voters might punish him for it.

But Hillary wasn't biting. "I am only talking about myself," she insisted, looking unusually resplendent in a dark suit with a red blouse and multicolored necklace.

I'm not sure about the necklace.

full story: http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2007/1...

[Warren DeMontague]

116. Right. Plausible deniability.

Gosh darn these fiendish rogue campaign staffers! They're out of control!

Meanwhile, it stays in the news. How handy.

Personally, my problem with Obama on all that isn't that he's been honest about doing drugs in his youth- he gets props for that- my problem is that he is too hypocritical to take the next step and say it's time to rethink the idiotic, $40 Billion-a-year drug war that isn't working, even as it is filling our prisons with non-violent offenders.

[NewHampster]

143. We agree on something

but that is one of the unmentionables along with gun control

[Warren DeMontague]

185. Actually, the lesson in both issues is that there is a strong "Mind Your Own Damn Business" streak

in the US Populace.

The GOP is coming unhinged because the religious loonies who run that party are insane kooks who want to jail gays and outlaw the birth control pill. If we would stand up strong for across-the-board notions of personal freedom- getting government out of people's bodies, bedrooms, and bloodstreams- we would WIN votes. And Gun Control is an area where, for some reason, many people seem to think the Democratic party is out to take their guns away; even though that's not true, the issue is a proven loser for us.

We stand up for the rights of individuals, the Constitution, choice and personal freedom, and we WIN. That's my opinion.

[Bongo Prophet]

195. Best post in this thread. We could be strategizing and pressuring our candidates to PROGRESS

This is SUCH a once in a lifetime opportunity for open government and re-prioritizing what security means. What freedom of individuals and collective support mean.
NO drug war. Healthcare for ALL. BIG ISSUES.

But instead...this.
GOP will attack our candidates? Shocking revelation.
So let us spend our time practicing that.

At least Nero got some music out, eh?

[Warren DeMontague]

206. That's right. Draw a distinction- personal freedom & strong social safety net

versus theocracy and NO social safety net.

[Bongo Prophet]

207. Eggsactly. A formula to totally REDRAW the lines and smash old stereotypes

IN a way, this a form of "triangulation" - that is, the GOOD kind.
It could capture many votes in the "don't tread on me" branch of GOP/Libertarians, who are very dissaffected right now - as well as many non-voters, who need clear distinctions to be drawn...
NOW is a perfect time for that, too.

Sadly, we are missing a golden opportunity.

[JuniperLea]

126. Oh, I totally agree with the "looks" deal!

A big part of what we do where I work is media training. Hillary has one of the best media trainers ever. You have to think in terms of numbers... the average and below average thinkers in America are going to go for the visceral, brain stem, knee-jerk reaction they have to the way a candidate looks, walks and talks. What they have to say is of little concern, sadly.

Unfortunately, here at DU as of late, you must tell people exactly what you are thinking. There's a lot of mind-reading and shark jumping around here. Sheesh.

[Nikki Stone1]

111. To be fair to the OP, I bet there will be a lot of people who will decide against Obama based on

just those kinds of nuances. It's sad; we should really be looking at platforms and plans, but so many people "go with their gut", their unconscious perceptions. Al Gore had that problem: people figured he was a nerdy "know-it-all", condescending to the voter. Now that he is a superhero (grin ) we should never forget how he was perceived by the common person during the 2000 election. I am hoping Obama doesn't get judged on small nuances, but, unfortunately, that seems to be how politics works.

And I do agree with the person who said "uppity" indicating that racism may play a part in how Obama's look is perceived. A white male has a sense of entitlement and is allowed to have it, up to a point (see Al Gore). But a black man is still expected by some in this country not to act entitled. And women are expected NEVER to feel entitled to anything, not even their own bodies. Hillary and Obama are both working against this perception that women and blacks are not to act entitled about anything substantial or meaningful.

[NewHampster]

117. Now wht couldn't I say it with such eloquence?

Thanks Nikki

[Occam Bandage]

127. You probably said something completely different because

you intended to say something completely different. You can say "oh, I meant THE REPUBLCIANS WILL SMAER HIM" all you want, but people aren't buying it because that doesn't fit the OP. The OP was pretty clearly, "Obama makes me feel icky, and Hillary makes me feel cozy."

[JuniperLea]

133. Not true

The message was the same. It just didn't give the detail.

[Occam Bandage]

134. Where was the OP alluding to Republicans?

"I can't stand Obama. I feel all icky looking at Obama. Hillary reminds me of my grandma. Hillary is my 44."

Which of those had anything to do about the election, the Republicans, or absolutely anything but the OP's personal disgust with Obama / warm fuzzies towards Clinton?

[NewHampster]

140. My follow-up posts like

Yes, I'm being shallow, horribly so and I would not base my vote on how a candidate looks. I will in fact support Obama if he gets the nomination. I'll phone bank, knock on doors and write letters to the editor.

I am a Democrat.

The point of this post is it is exactly the kind of crap we will face in the general. The average non-thinking republican and many independents do base their vote on looks, snark from Limbaugh and lots of other crap.

If any of you think Obama is immune then I'm sorry for the outcome that Rove has planned.

Hillary is My 44

[Occam Bandage]

144. Your follow-up posts are

a series of pathetic attempts to spin an embarrassingly failed personal attack as an earnest warning of Republican trickery. In that regard, this thread is a microcosm of Clinton campaign as it stands now.

[NewHampster]

146. lost me there in triangle land

[Occam Bandage]

147. Triangle land, triangle land. Triangle land hates particle land.

they have a fight, triangle wins,
triangle land.

[JuniperLea]

165. In your opinion... eom

[Nikki Stone1]

130. I thought that was your point. :)

[NewHampster]

141. Yep and thanks

I'm getting confusable today.

[Occam Bandage]

123. And there will, I'm sure, be even more who decide for him based on those kind of nuances.

He has excellent charisma ratings.

[JuniperLea]

131. Well said!

And not too far from what I said here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


But you said it so much better than I did

[Warren DeMontague]

108. Jeezus, that's goofy.

I like Chris Dodd's ass. That's why I'm voting for him.

[NewHampster]

120. my point

Yes, I'm being shallow, horribly so and I would not base my vote on how a candidate looks. I will in fact support Obama if he gets the nomination. I'll phone bank, knock on doors and write letters to the editor.

I am a Democrat.

The point of this post is it is exactly the kind of crap we will face in the general. The average non-thinking republican and many independents do base their vote on looks, snark from Limbaugh and lots of other crap.

If any of you think Obama is immune then I'm sorry for the outcome that Rove has planned.

Hillary is My 44

[Warren DeMontague]

129. And how is this different from "but his middle name is Hussein"?

Or "But he's black- a lot of people won't vote for a black man".

You know who a lot of non-thinking Republicans, independents and Limbaugh listeners would sooner gnaw off their own feet than vote for? Hillary.

So big fucking deal. Yes, I'll support the nominee, too. Which is why I want the best person with the best platform and approach to the issues to win. We tried to out-guess and out-flank Rove in 2004, remember? John Kerry- with his vote for the IWR and his "War Hero" status- was "unassailable".. remember?

In retrospect, I think we would have done better with Dean.

So I say vote for the one you like, not the one you think is "impervious to attack".

[Bongo Prophet]

198. I didn't support Kerry for his "unassailability" but for his platform and experience.

The foreign policy experience, knowing the BFEE like NOBODY else (Iran-contra, BCCI) and a GREAT environmental record.
All of these and more were the reasons - he was far above the competition in those areas, and THAT is why I supported him.

So, we disagree.
BUT I disagree with you RESPECTFULLY.

And I fully support Howard Dean, and he has done a GREAT job at DNC.
He may have been a better candidate, or not.
We came REALLY close, if not for the shenanigans, and the betrayals.
The media wanted to destroy Dean AND Kerry, and boy did they do their part.

See how we could keep it civil, and not destroy what common ground we have?
I prefer that.

RESPECT to you, Impeachdubya.

[LSK]

110. maybe you would like a President who you would like to have a beer with

Are we not beyond this shallow bullshit???

[NewHampster]

119. my point with this

Yes, I'm being shallow, horribly so and I would not base my vote on how a candidate looks. I will in fact support Obama if he gets the nomination. I'll phone bank, knock on doors and write letters to the editor.

I am a Democrat.

The point of this post is it is exactly the kind of crap we will face in the general. The average non-thinking republican and many independents do base their vote on looks, snark from Limbaugh and lots of other crap.

If any of you think Obama is immune then I'm sorry for the outcome that Rove has planned.

Hillary is My 44

[LSK]

157. Edwards ?

[DireStrike]

112. I'm sure this has been said many times already, but

nice selection process you've got there.

[NewHampster]

118. The point

Yes, I'm being shallow, horribly so and I would not base my vote on how a candidate looks. I will in fact support Obama if he gets the nomination. I'll phone bank, knock on doors and write letters to the editor.

I am a Democrat.

The point of this post is it is exactly the kind of crap we will face in the general. The average non-thinking republican and many independents do base their vote on looks, snark from Limbaugh and lots of other crap.

If any of you think Obama is immune then I'm sorry for the outcome that Rove has planned.

Hillary is My 44

[Occam Bandage]

121. Unconvincing, to say the least.

Since you're just copy-pasting, I will too:

You say, "LOL OMBAMA LOOKS DUMB. HILLARY LOOKS NICE. NOT LIKE DUMB OBAMA."
Everyone else goes, "WTF that's stupid. Nobody will be convinced by that shit."
You say, "THE REPUBLICANS ARE GONING TO SAY OBAMA LOOKS DUMB! THAT IS MY PIONT!!!!!"
To which I now reply, "Good. It'll work about as well as it did for you in this thread."

[EFerrari]

122. You're being horribly repetitive, too, and that straw man would look better

on a post somewhere than here.

[alcibiades_mystery]

128. Bullshit

You got caught out there saying something incredibly stupid and now you're backtracking. That's obvious enough.

Your stated reason for the post, moreover, is not shallow, but ridiculously elitist. People generally vote for real reasons, even when we disagree with that vote. "Rove has planned..." Yeeesh.

You're no "democrat" either way, with your initial dumb post or your made up excuse for it.

[Occam Bandage]

132. Which is rather ironic.

"And if there's one thing that the low-class idiots that make up the voting population can't stand, it's someone who acts like he's better than them. So we should please those moronic mouthbreathers, and not go for an elitist like that Obama."

[alcibiades_mystery]

137. Gahahahaha

Yes, the rather embarrassing consequence of the made-up contrivance defending the OP. Well put.

[NewHampster]

149. we can't defend free speach among Democrats

can we?

[Occam Bandage]

153. The right to free speech does not entail the right to an appreciative audience. As Voltaire said,

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. Mostly so everyone can listen and laugh at how stupid it is."

[NewHampster]

154. Thanks Occam

[alcibiades_mystery]

170. Your speech is free

People are still free to critique your speech for ridiculous assumptions and open contradictions. Free speech does not equal free pass.

[NewHampster]

171. and no free pass is asked for

[alcibiades_mystery]

179. Then your free speech post makes no sense at all

But that's understandable, since your OP makes no sense, and your explanation of it makes no sense.

[Mz Pip]

124. Hillary looks like a

school teacher who is about to give a lecture on why she knows best to a group of Kindergarteners. It's one of the things I dislike about her.

Mz Pip

[Virginia Dare]

125. GMAFB....n/t

[LittleBlue]

135. Meanwhile Obama up 9 points in Iowa (new poll)

http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2007/12/14/news/local/d...

Ouch. This might be the end. I can't post new threads yet. Anyone want the honors?

Go Obama!

[EFerrari]

136. Welcome to DU, Little Blue. n/t

[LittleBlue]

139. I feel welcome. Everyone is nice here...

but I can't post. ;_;

[NewHampster]

142. welcome

but they want you to prove that you'll play nice with the other kids.

[Occam Bandage]

158. Welcome, LittleBlue. If I ever step on your toes later,

I preemptively apologize. I can be a dick on the Internets. This thread is proof.

[Bongo Prophet]

196. Oh, I don't think you are the one being a dick here.

I keep checking to see if I am in the lounge, in some parody thread.

Or maybe I died and there IS a hell after all.

Oh well, it's FRIDAY NIGHT and I haven't even typed like the Magistrate yet!

Good day sir!

[NewHampster]

138. I love him in the lead

Now the media can go after him instead of Hillary.

This is about when Howard Dean hit his high point.

[rucky]

148. That's what I look for in a leader. n/t

[bobbolink]

150. It's certainly not attractive, but he might have ill-fitting contacts.

[rug]

151. Yeah? Well her boobs sag!

[faithfulcitizen]

178. rotfl.

[SoCalDem]

152. Photographers choose how to shoot their subjects

[Occam Bandage]

155. He obviously should have stooped subserviently.

[hyphenate]

156. Hey! Just because Obama is really only

5'5" and has to look up to everybody, doesn't mean he won't make a great president!! Just remember: Alan Ladd had to stand on a box through many of HIS movies, and have his leading women walk down trenches to make them shorter than he was!

















(PS: This is supposed to be funny. If you are offended by short jokes, I don't care: I get them aimed at me every day at 5.75')

[NewHampster]

160. I resemble that remark

I'm 5.8 and had to look down at Edwards

[hyphenate]

168. Ooops

I WISH I were 5.75'!! I forgot a 0 in there someplace: I'm 5' and 3/4"--not even a good 5'1"! I always say I'm 5'1 1/2" though--sounds more impressive than saying I'm a 1/4 shy of an extra inch!!

[NewHampster]

173. Short people should be seen and not heard

[Buns_of_Fire]

203. They got little bitty legs / they stand so low / you gotta pick 'em up / just to say hello...

The last thing I thought I'd be doing when I dragged my (5'7") carcass off the couch this morning is channeling Randy Newman. Ya just never know...

Hey, but at least neither of them are MIMES! (Although I think that'd be a refreshing debate format -- "Senator Biden, please explain your program for middle-east demilitarization. And remember, you may not use words in doing so.")

[NorthernSpy]

209. Obama is around 6'2''...

You're thinking of Kucinich, maybe?

[Vinca]

162. Are you sure your "nose up" look isn't a camera angle? nt

[NewHampster]

163. might be but I've seen it often with O

[Bucky]

176. The point is, he has nostrils. With BOOGERS! How can you support such a man?

Do you know what the Republicans will do with his boogers in the fall? They'll smear them--that's what they'll do.

[AwakeAtLast]

167. Both pics are prerferable to this one:

I will be happy to be able to look at either of them. It will mean I'm looking at a Dem President. It will bring me unbridled joy.

[NewHampster]

169. well said and thank you

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

174. Obama seems really stiff and dry to me -not relaxed and engaging like JFK

Maybe he'll loosen up over time. Still, he's my preferred candidate among the big three. I like him, but I still can pick on minor things that sort of bug me.

[Bucky]

175. weirdo

Your grandma is older than Hillary. Quit being an ass.

[NewHampster]

177. my Grandma is long dead

[Flabbergasted]

181. rec for a laugh

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

186. Yeah, I know . . .

Uppity blacks . . .
Wanna-be poor-white, urbanite southerners . . .
Bitchy women . . .
The whole-lot of them--can't stand them. Of, thise pictures.

[Generator]

187. Grandma for President!

Sometimes I do wonder about the Hillary supporters. It's kinda reminds me of my mom and her back handed compliments, like "Your husband is not a wimp, he's just really nice." AT MY WEDDING. Thanks Mom.

I'm sure Grandma is not exactly the image the Hillary camp is looking for. Damn that Obama is snooty though heh? Again-are there really any Hillary supporters are all you guys punking us?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

188. Of all the possible reasons for not wanting to support a candidate,

this has to be the most utterly dumbass one ever.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

189. Somebody get this guy a stuffed animal already.

[Bosso 63]

190. Yea, well I'm voting for any one with a "D" after their name.

[BenDavid]

191. Too cocky....assumes he will be coronated.

[ariesgem]

192. You got throughly trolled-rated on KOS with this post

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/14/183928/88/817/...



What's the matter NewHampster. Is he a little uppity for you?

[cornermouse]

193. Camera angle.

I don't like him because of some of the positions he has taken on issues.

[Leopolds Ghost]

197. Didn't some people say Kerry (another non-Clinton) looked elitist?

Oops, I forgot, most Americans even DUers bought the koolaid on Kerry,
he's persona non grata now. Damn liberal elitists!

Didn't Clinton or someone once pride herself on eating
at Applebees, and chastize Kerry/Edwards for not doing
the same?

Apparently right-thinking, public-safety-oriented
"moderate Dems" are not elitists. They're not afraid to comfort
us in our illusions on a variety of old wives tales ("issues")
spoon fed us by the media.

They have "the courage to be comforting and project a sense of strength."

You will never look at them and god forbid get the impression that they
know more than you do about anything.

Whatever happened to the courage of convictions?

"Down to earth" USED to mean unafraid to speak your mind. That, anyhow, was the Yankee esthetic. Now "down to earth" just means "one of us".

"I feel comforted by him/her, not challenged." -- Always a bad sign.

[ima_sinnic]

200. wow, you really have substantive criteria for judging candidates

-- but I suppose that's necessary when the candidate you support is just window dressing for the corporate slave masters. don't bother your beautiful mind with anything deep or important or anything.

[Perry Logan]

201. I just saw a thread criticizing Hillary's laugh.

[Deja Q]

202. Of all the body parts people want to admire, why NOSES?

So one part would rule Hillary out, big deal...

How many of them have brains?

And if everybody votes for the candidate with the big feet, pray we don't get stomped on by them.

At least Sanjaya isn't running. The day the age qualifier goes frm 35 to 18 is the day I'll worry.

[spacelady]

208. So now even his NOSE is uppity??? Utter silliness. n/t

[NorthernSpy]

210. OH NOES!!1!!! Uppity nigrahs who don't remind us of our grannies!

Just when I think that Hillary's people can't possibly go any lower, they dig deep and make it happen.


Mark my words, NewHampster: you -- the lot of you -- are alienating people. You're coming up with stuff that some of us are not going to be in a hurry to forgive or forget. There may come a time when Hillary's supporters regret burning those bridges.

[dbt]

211. John Lennon had that same nose-up look.

[Stop Cornyn]

212. That's both illogical and weird. It's fine if you want to reject a candidate based on his centrist

policies on other reasons heath care, immigration, passivity on protecting the middle class, sabre rattling over alleged terrorists, or even because he has moved well to the center since his liberal days before he was a national figure.

But selecting or rejection a candidate because you don't like the angle of his nose is unreasoned and borders on offensive.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

213. Ok Ok. Here's Your Damn Fuzzy Bunny. Now Go In The Corner And Play

while us adults evaluate REAL issues.

[maddezmom]

214. locking

everyone has had their say by now.