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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:04 AM
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"What Is Probably in the Missing Tapes" Naomi Wolf
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 11:15 AM by in_cog_ni_to
Posted December 13, 2007 | 03:55 PM (EST)

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What we are likely to see if the tapes documenting the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah and Abd Al-Rahim Al-Nashiri are ever recovered is that the "confessions" of the prisoners upon which the White House has built its entire case for subverting the Constitution and suspending civil liberties in this country was obtained through methods such as electrocution, beating to the point of organ failure, hanging prisoners from the wrists from a ceiling, suffocation, and threats against family members ("I am going to find your mother and I am going to fuck her" is one direct quote from a US interrogator). On the missing tapes, we would likely see responses from the prisoners that would be obvious to us as confessions to anything at all in order to end the violence. In other words, if we could witness the drama of manufacturing by torture the many violently coerced "confessions" upon which the whole house of cards of this White House and its hyped "war on terror" rests, it would likely cause us to reopen every investigation, including the most serious ones (remember, even the 9/11 committee did not receive copies of the tapes); shut down the corrupt, Stalinesque Military Commissions System; turn over prisoners, the guilty and the innocent, into a working, accountable justice system operating in accordance with American values; and direct our legal scrutiny to the torturers themselves -- right up to the office of the Vice President and the President if that is where the investigations would lead.

By the way: "The prohibition against torture is considered to be a jus cogens norm, meaning that no derogation is permitted from it under any circumstances."

This is what the FOIA documents report, belying White House soundbites that "we don't torture" and explaining the intent pursuit on the part of the CIA and the White House of the current apparent obstruction of justice:

Late 2002 -- the FBI objects to the illegality of abuses being put into place by the Defense Department in its "special interrogation plan" to use isolation, sleep deprivation and menacing with dogs against prisoners.

Dec 2, 2002 -- Defense Secretary Rumsfeld personally issues a directive authorizing the use of stress positions, hooding, removal of clothing, and the terrorizing of inmates at Guantanamo with dogs.

Dec 3, 2002 -- at Baghram, interrogators kill an Afghan prisoner "by shackling him by his wrists to the wire ceiling above his cell and repeatedly beating his legs. A postmortem report finds abrasions and contusions on the prisoner's face, head, neck, arms and legs and determines that the death was a "homicide" caused by "blunt force injuries."

April 16, 2003 -- Rumsfeld approves yet another directive for abusive interrogation.

This directive for Afghanistan restores to the interrogators' arsenal many forms of torture that had been resisted by the FBI. (Notably, the FBI had resisted complying with the direct commission of torture since as early as 2002 because, as its Behavioral Analysis Unit complained to the Defense Department at that time in an internal email, "not only are these tactics at odds with legally permissible interviewing techniques (italics mine) in other words, all concerned know these are apparent war crimes)...but they are being employed by personnel in GTMO who have little, if any, experience eliciting information for judicial purposes." In other words, as any trained interrogator knows, the abuses are both doubtless illegal and certainly ineffective for getting real intelligence. (Jaffer and Singh, Timeline of Key Events, pp. 45-65,op. cit.)

Oct 22 2003 -- Final autopsy report relating to death of "52 y/o Iraqi Male, Civilian Detainee" held by U.S. forces in Nasiriyah, Iraq. Prisoner was found to have "died as a result of asphyxia...due to strangulation."

November 14, 2003 -- a sworn statement of a soldier stationed at Camp Red, Baghdad, states that "I saw what I think were war crimes" and that "the chain of command....allowed them to happen."

May 13, 2004 -- a sworn statement of the 302nd Military Intelligence Battalion recounts an incident in which "interrogators abused 17-year-old son of prisoner in order to 'break' the prisoner."

May 18, 2004 -- a Privacy Act statement of an Abu Ghraib sergeant notes that prisoners had been forced to stand "naked with a bag over their head, standing on MRE boxes and their hands(s) spread out...holding a bottle in each hand."

May 24, 2004 -- Sworn statement of interrogator who arrived at Abu Ghraib in October 2003, discussing use of military dogs against juvenile prisoners.

June 16, 2004 -- Marine Corps document describing abuse cases between September 2001 and June 2004, including "substantiated" incidents in which marines electrocuted a prisoner and set another's hands on fire.

Undated: Sworn statement of screener who arrived at Abu Ghraib in September 2003, indicating that prisoners at Asamiya Palace in Baghdad had been beaten, burned and subjected to electric shocks.

Subsequent internal documents record prisoners being stripped, made to walk into walls blindfolded, punched, kicked, dragged about the room, observed to have bruises and burn marks on their backs, and having their jaws deliberately broken. Still other reports document further incidents classified by the military itself as probable murders committed by US interrogators.

The book also reveals an extraordinary original transcript of a Dept. of the Army Inspector General interview with Lieutenant General Randall Marc Schmidt. Lt. Gen. Schmidt had interfaced with MG Geoffrey Miller on the one hand -- the most brutal overseer of such abuses, the one who was sent to "Gitmo-ize" other prisons -- and the honorable JAG military lawyers on the other hand, over the abuses under investigation at that time. . <snip>"


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The transcript of this internal document reveals Lt. Gen. Schmidt's own words that it was his understanding that the directives to commit these acts, many of which are apparently war crimes, came right from the top.

The interview was not primarily intended to be a public document:

"An Inspector General" notes the document, "is an impartial fact-finder for the Directing Authority Testimony taken by an IG and reports based on that testimony may be used for official purposes. Access is normally restricted to persons who clearly need the information to perform their official duties. (italics mine). In some cases, disclosure to other persons may be required by law or regulation or may be directed by proper authority." As in the case, clearly, here -- though the immense implications of this privately taken testimony have not reverberated fully yet in a public forum: "I thought the Secretary of Defense in good faith was approving techniques," testified Lt. Gen. Schmidt. "In good faith after talking to him twice. I know that -- and these weren't interrogations or interviews of him. This was our hour and forty-five minutes and then another hour and fifteen kind of thing were (sic) we sat in there and had these discussions with him." (Testimony of Lt. Gen. Randall M Schmidt, Taken 24 August 2005 at Davis Mountain Air Force Base, Arizona, Dept. of the Army Inspector General, Investigations Division, pp. a-30 to a-53, Jaffer and Singh, op. cit). <snip>

This is a very long blog post, but worth the time to read it. Link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/what-is-probab...


edited to remove damn brackets I didn't see.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:09 AM
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1. Why did you strike the link?
Recommended by the way.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:12 AM
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2. I didn't! I'm trying to find out why that's happening! I thought it was brackets that had been in
the blog, but that's not it. I'll go look further to see what the hell is going on. :grr:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:17 AM
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4. Fixed.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:17 AM
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5. OKAY! Now it's fixed! Found a bracketed "S" in the blog.
Thanks for the K & R, btw. :hi:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:18 AM
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6. No problem.
Thanks for posting. :thumbsup:
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:37 AM
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10. Good job on the fix. Sometimes that HTML stuff can get real tricky.
Looks interesting, I'll have to save and read later, have to do some work now.

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:13 AM
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3. K&R!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:22 AM
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7. K&R
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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:18 AM
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32. Wow
I woke up this morning and Realized, The Soviets had in fact won the cold war. Secret police, wiretapping, Gulags, Torture, Sovereignty of nations not respected. You could add to the list infinitely. I thought these were the exact things that America fought against. Weren't we supposed to be a beacon of hope? "Bring me your tired huddled masses yearning to breath free" wasn't that written on something important? Did,"All men are created equal" ever have any meaning? We fought one of the WW's to rid the world of tyrrany and oppression. The unending pain of being a participant in these actrocious war crimes is becoming unbearable. To think we who bear the scarlet letters of USA is too much. We have allowed our nation to become everything we despise. Sadly, enough it all began with a new millenium.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:49 PM
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37. Welcome to DU.
When we're not tearing at each other's throats, we really are a place of sanity in the middle of this national madness.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:32 AM
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8. Miller was sent to "gitmo-ize" Abu Ghraib.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

Abu Ghraib Tactics Were First Used at Guantanamo

By Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 14, 2005; Page A01

Interrogators at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, forced a stubborn detainee to wear women's underwear on his head, confronted him with snarling military working dogs and attached a leash to his chains, according to a newly released military investigation that shows the tactics were employed there months before military police used them on detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

. . .

A central figure in the investigation, Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, who commanded the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay and later helped set up U.S. operations at Abu Ghraib, was accused of failing to properly supervise Qahtani's interrogation plan and was recommended for reprimand by investigators. Miller would have been the highest-ranking officer to face discipline for detainee abuses so far, but Gen. Bantz Craddock, head of the U.S. Southern Command, declined to follow the recommendation.

Miller traveled to Iraq in September 2003 to assist in Abu Ghraib's startup, and he later sent in "Tiger Teams" of Guantanamo Bay interrogators and analysts as advisers and trainers. Within weeks of his departure from Abu Ghraib, military working dogs were being used in interrogations, and naked detainees were humiliated and abused by military police soldiers working the night shift.

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:34 AM
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9. that the Saudi royal family were either involved in or knew of or both detail of 911, and the
top Pakistani air force command ..none of which warned us..

which made no difference, because the white house was warned 52 times that year by other countries intelligence officers.. 14 times just weeks before 911 that included the words ..'will be attacked by hijackers within weeks or days..

the white house was determined to allow a another"pearl Harbor" to use to create a dictatorship.. or "Decidership".. as the case may be
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:06 AM
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25. Though given your theory . . .
it would be difficult to explain how those they by whom "they were letting it happen"
gained access to the WTC to plant bombs and wire the buildings?
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:41 PM
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34. as the buildings were go'n down sooo nicely i thought, they were probably structurally condemned and...
someone is collecting on the insurance.. i come from a family with a long line of psychics and clairvoyants..

who knows how deep the Bu$h's were into the Saudis with this scheme.. the White House worked over time keeping the plentiful and detailed intelligence out of the loop

the white house got about a dozen reports from reliable foreign intelligence that hijackers were going to attack buildings "within weeks or days", lust within the last 2 weeks before 911..

it is imposable for a building to 'fall into itself' and still fall at terminal velocity.. and the mass of red hot molten metal in the basement could be the result of accumulated thermite.. i heard that 30 people would have to made 4 trips to plant enough thermite to bring it down like it went down

but the saudi connection with the likes of the Bu$h's wouldn't surprise me at all
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:20 PM
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36. Agree --- Agree --- + Saudis and think they probably got some help from Mossad ---
And re the intelligence flying thru the windows of the WH and our intelligence agencies from every nation, they could see that Bush was conducting an "Operation Ignore" . . .

So -- Putin went to the United Nations Security Council because he was so concerned
that the WH was doing nothing in reaction to all the warnings ---
He reported all of this to the UN....
And, in August 2001...the United Nations sent representatives from the Security Council to the White House and our various intelligence agencies to TELL them about the warnings!!!

There's only one answer to this --- MIHOP



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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 10:30 AM
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38. hell the Mossad was set up with cameras running when the planes hit.. a woman heard them cheering
and yelling with glee..on top of a moving van with cameras on tripods.. she turned them in and they were arrested.. and quietly deported. you can find it in http://www.truthorfiction.com or just google it
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:00 PM
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39. Yes, I remember the story ---
Never saw that website before, however ---

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 06:09 PM
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41. good site to sort out rumors
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:08 AM
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26. We also may have learned that the US was using "AlQaeda" in Chechyna ---
not unlike using the Taliban in Afghanistan in order to "bait the Russians in" . . .
"in hopes of giving them a Vietnam type experience."

The US went into Afghaistan 6 months before the Russians were there in order to do this!
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:39 AM
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11. Rumsfeld is one sick
piece of shit. He needs to brought to justice if America is ever to have any credibility again in the world. Not likely though.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:58 AM
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15. One thing is for sure. He will likely never again set foot on French or German soil without fear of
arrest. When he was in France a couple months back, at least two human rights groups attempted to serve him a court summons because they had filed a lawsuit accusing him of war crimes committed in Iraq. He managed to duck out and make his way to the US embassy. Human rights groups in Germany had brought forth their own case against Rumsfeld in German court, since Germany's constitution is unique in the world for containing a "universal jurisdiction" clause that applies to all suspected war criminals not tried in other countries, like the US. Ironically, it was the US that essentially wrote Germany's constitution after the end of the last world war.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:53 AM
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17. He will be caught some day....when he least expects it. Probably YEARS from now, but he will be
caught and tried. IF he lives long enough for that to happen.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:54 AM
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18. keep your fingers crossed
On Dec. 10 (International Human Rights Day) MP Peter Julian presented a bill in the House of Commons that, if passed, would give Canada laws similar to those of France and Germany. In fact, they're even more closely based on your own Alien Tort Claims Act (ATCA) of 1789 and the Torture Victims Protection Act (TVPA), taking into account developing American jurisprudence concerning international civil liability for the gross violation of human rights.

The International Promotion and Protection of Human Rights Act (IPPHRA) would allow civil lawsuits in Canada for universal human rights violations such as genocide and torture. It would also allow victims to sue for damages in labour law violations. It extends to include environmental crimes.

Wouldn't that be delicious? None of those bastards would be allowed in Canada, either.

Now if we could just get our own bastards out of office...
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:00 PM
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12. Torture till they say want you want them to say
Report to Congress what they said.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:15 AM
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13. Mrs. Wolf is probably right, too. She's really smart and has been on top of this for a long time.
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 02:17 AM by Major Hogwash
I don't believe that all of the copies of those tapes have been destroyed, however.

The top dogs at the CIA are too mentally sick not to keep a personal copy for themselves to watch at Christmas parties.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:12 AM
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30. Cheers again to Naomi Wolf --- thank you!
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:40 AM
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14. K&R
Sickening.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:08 AM
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16. Can someone please answer this question, please?
Did the CIA suffer personnel casualties in the 9/11 attacks? Did their desire for revenge for those deaths give them the motive to go along with the White House's green light to allow torture to coerce confessions? And what did the CIA do when they got that information?

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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:40 AM
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24. I can't see that the history of the CIA makes any unusual motive necessary for torture
to be acceptable to them They've been involved with torture and torturers as far back as I've read anything about them. That's an inevitable result of giving an organization secrecy and power and elitism.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:06 PM
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40. Doubtful, since they orchestrated the operation.
Just another day in spookville.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:00 AM
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19. Did I miss it, or did you leave off the baby raping?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:09 AM
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20. Naomi Wolf wrote it. There's MUCH more at the link, but I don't think she listed the baby rapes or .
the wife of prisoner rapes. Too many crimes to list?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:12 AM
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21. Yes we have been inundated with salatious scandal only so much room on a page.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:12 AM
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22. "Stalinesque"...The legacy of the Bush/Cheney era, & of today's GOP. . . . "STALINESQUE" . . . . .
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 09:38 AM by charles t



In this era of Godwin's Law Republican Stalinism is a more powerful, and equally appropriate metaphor as comparison with 1930's Germany & Italy (despite the obvious similarities to Il Duce's corporatism.

The Stalineque disposition of today's GOP is a label today's Republicans have worked tirelessly to have hung around their neck.

They should be confronted with this truth in every forum.

Corporate media loves sound bites.

Give them one based on bitter truth: Today's GOP is STALINESQUE.





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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:17 AM
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23. So go yell it in the street or plaster in on some card board and hang it on the fucking freeway or
are you going to take this laying down?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:11 AM
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27. We need some IMPEACH buttons . . . we need a long chain of impeachments!!
Starting with the SC judges who put this fascist in power ---
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Ricki Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:16 AM
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31. Chimpeach!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:11 AM
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28. We need some IMPEACH buttons . . . we need a long chain of impeachments!!
Starting with the SC judges who put this fascist in power ---
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:11 AM
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29. We need some IMPEACH buttons . . . we need a long chain of impeachments!!
Starting with the SC judges who put this fascist in power ---
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DirtyDawg Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:30 AM
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33. Not just happenstance...
...that Rumsfeld ended up buying a place on the Eastern Shore as his 'compound' - Mt. Misery - that was a 'get their mind right' camp for slave owners to send their most contrary, and usually runaway, slaves. Somehow it is a perfect statement - and ending - of a sick, despicable excuse for a human being...Donald Rumsfeld.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:47 PM
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35. My best guess: Live feed direct participation by Bush and Cheney!!
The cover-up is proportional to the crime.

What I suspect is being covered up is the fact the videos were made in the first place is because video enabled live feed, and live participation from remote locations like CIA Langley, the Department of Justice, and the White House. That would explain the scope of the cover-up, uncounted crimes already.
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