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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:59 PM
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Exactly how many votes does the Senate need to pass legislation?
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 05:01 PM by Truth2Tell
From the WaPo article today on the Democrats budget cave-in:

The Senate is to vote today on the revised energy bill, and senators from both parties said proponents are close to reaching the 60-vote threshold.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


The 60 vote threshold. ?? Now every bill the Democrats want to pass is automatically assumed to require a 60 vote threshold?

Too bad a "60 vote threshold" wasn't required to pass bills in the Senate before 2006.

That sure woulda come in handy.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:04 PM
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1. We used that too but
often it failed when the dems were the minority because we had fewer dems than they now have repukes and we had a group of dem Senators who pretty consistently defected.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:09 PM
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3. Takes 10 consistent defectors
to consistently kill a filibuster. Sounds like not much Party discipline?

Are you sure we really tried?
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:58 AM
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14. In that Senate we only had
45 (I think that's what it was). So Lieberman, Pryor, Nelson, Nelson, Landrieu and one or two others was all that was needed to defect. The GOP sticks together if they are told to the dems don't. Did Reid really try though? I don't think so really, our 'leaders' don't know how to lead.
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floridablue Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:05 PM
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2. I am confused
I thought it was 51 to pass a bill. 60 for cloture to end debate and prevent a fillabuster, and 67 to override a veto.??????
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:11 PM
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4. The debate needs to end before they can take a vote for passage.
Therein lies the problem. Frankly I think the whole concept of a fillibuster is unconstitutional.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:11 PM
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5. That's what the article is talking about--a filibuster.
In context, it makes sense. This paragraph appears above that one:

The threat virtually ensured that the Senate will not muster the 60 votes needed to break a threatened Republican filibuster. It moved Congress further toward shattering a Democratic pledge not to pass tax cuts that are not fully offset by tax increases or spending reductions. ...

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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:13 PM
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6. Exactly, the Dems just don't use the word fillibuster...
Every time the Corporate Media says 60 votes what they are NOT saying is the Republicans threaten a filibuster on every single bill because they know they can. Of course as far as I understand, the democrats could remove bills instead of passing bad ones.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:36 PM
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11. the democrats could remove bills instead of passing bad ones.
Ding Ding Ding!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:14 PM
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7. One party has solidarity and a spine.
And it aint ours.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:15 PM
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8. Well, not only that....
...but you've got dubya waving his veto pen around like some kind of drunken Blackwater mercenary... And then there's Lieberman. And Zell. It ain't easy. Not that I think Reid has done a particularly good job...
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:17 PM
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9. Cowardice and complicity
seem to be what the party's come to symbolize.

Sad but true.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:18 PM
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10. First you need a quarum and then you need 60% of those present I believe.
Its not 60 votes, its 60% of the votes cast I think. Someone will know for sure and its not important enough to me to look up.
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Soon2bRenditioned Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:03 PM
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12. This drives me crazy!!! How can so little change when you win back control.
I don't know why Democrats are not working on the 30 second sound bite that includes the fact that repugs are filibustering every bill they bring to the floor. Another catch 22 - a move we did not use enough when we were in the minority to block some shameful bills and nominations - a move that we should not stoop to use in the future (at least not every bill).

The only other way to get information out would be to tatoo it on Britney Spears (3 letter word for Donkey) and send her out clubbing.
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:28 AM
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13. That is funny! n/t
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