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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:22 AM
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If the Party splinters, could Al Gore unite it ?
With all the infighting between the Clinton and Obama camps, will the Party be able to unite once the primaries are over? Or will it splinter into several groups?

Is it possible we could go to our convention without any Democrat having a majority of delegates? And who would swap off their delegates for the VP position on the ballot?

If this were to happen, could Al Gore be the nominee to bring the Party together? That would be the only scenario I could envision Al Gore being President>
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:24 AM
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1. Well if we lose the election this time around and he runs in 2012, that could do it as well
I don't know - I'd like to think that this is posturing and that we'll have a nominee (hopefully Obama or Edwards) early on, and who ever doesn't get it will united behind the front runner.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:26 AM
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2. HE'S NOT RUNNING!
:eyes:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:05 AM
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6. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
why don't they ever listen???????????

wimpers while :banghead:

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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:05 PM
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20. I know - this refusal to face reality doesn't speak well for DU AT ALL.
If DUers STILL think Al Gore might run for pres in 08, what other unfortunate delusions might they be suffering from? :scared:
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:14 PM
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25. I thought "political reality" was a contradiction in terms
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 05:18 PM by Samantha
In fact, I started a thread on that right here months ago.

Here you go:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Samantha/19
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:19 PM
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27. The reality is that Gore isn't running.
The sky is blue, 2+2=4, water is wet, John Lennon is still dead, and Gore ain't running.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:54 PM
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29. I disagree, perception is a large measure of reality,
people come to perceive things in various ways and at different times, global warming being just one example. That doesn't mean people are delusional, because some are determined as my self to wait until there is no hope of an Al Gore *candidacy, that time; no matter how mightily you wish it were here now, hasn't arrived yet.

With the thugs in power who stole the 2000 election from the American People, still running the show, I would think you have many more important things to be afraid of, than the varied political opinion on D.U.



* For me, the hope for 08 doesn't die until after the convention has nominated a candidate.



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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:09 PM
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40. Gore isn't running - that's reality, and reality is NOT subjective.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:45 PM
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38. Many
One that jumps to mind is that we might be able to save our dying democracy. Another is that people are actually listening to us. One of the worst delusions we suffer from is the belief that the Dems listen to us at all and that they aren't colluding with the enemy.

DU is full of mad, mad delusions.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:10 PM
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41. Well, that second one is correct at least.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:14 PM
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44. The second one may be becoming true but they all fall firmly within the delusion sector.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:11 PM
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22. There are two reasons why we never listen
Reason No. 1: Anything can happen in politics at any time.

Reason No. 2: Number One play in the Inside of the Beltway political playbook -- "Never Let Them Know What You Are Thinking." Al Gore, despite originating out of Tennessee, is an expert on the Inside of the Beltway political thinking. He will NEVER let anyone know what he is thinking until he so chooses.

That's why many of us keep our eyes and ears open at all times for any unexpected movement. For example, did you happen to see my thread yesterday that Bloomberg tried to coax Gore into running with him, offered to finance the run with One Billion Dollars out of his own pocket? That was offered on MSNBC just yesterday.

Today, just a few moments ago, Chris Matthews featured a blurb about Bloomberg saying despite his repeated denials he has no plans to enter the 2008 Presidential race, he intends to do so.

Neither of these last two remarks are meant to imply Al Gore will or will not join Bloomberg. They are meant to imply Reason No. 1 and Reason No. 2 outlined above are alive and well in our political system. When one sees or hears something out of the ordinary, one must ask WHY?

Stay tuned.

And that's why we never listen .... ;-)
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:14 PM
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24. Um...he's not running.
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:22 PM
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32. Unfortunately, could open the doors to another four years of
a Republican in the WH.

If the rancor and antagonism between Clinton and Obama/their supporters continues to escalate and one of them gets the nomination, I could see a lot of folks staying home for the GE.

If there's one thing the GOP does well it's doing whatever their party leaders tell them to. Dems, on the other hand, not so much.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:27 PM
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33. WHAT? Haven't you heard?
The words "I have no plans to run for President" is actually code for "I'm waiting till the very last minute so I can give DU'ers a hugh surprise!!!" :eyes:
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:26 AM
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3. Infighting is nothing new. I'm not sure why people seem so surprised about it.
"I am not a member of any organized party I am a Democrat."

-Will Rogers
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:29 AM
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4. For pete's sake, the party's not going to splinter...
DU might splinter, but not the party. This will all end when whoever gets the nomination goes on to face the GOP, just like it always done.

Yeesh, you're all a buncha doomsday prophets....
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NavyDavy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:52 AM
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5. i agree
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Solar Power Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:04 PM
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31. I don't think this is a doomsday predictions..
Why? Because anything can happen in politics. Anything from the good, the bad and the ugly.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:12 PM
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42. DU won't splinter either
Yes, a few will leave and a few will leave with a dramatic goodbye speech but more will come and we will continue on. Hell, I might even leave but it will continue on. It even continues on when William Pitt leaves on his semi annual basis. If our rock star leaving doesn't destroy DU, the primaries won't do it.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:22 AM
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7. Yes. (NT)
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:25 AM
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8. Al Gore has gone into the business world. He's gone people
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21756222 /

Al Gore joins top venture capital firm
Former vice president to guide investments that help fight global warming

Former Vice President Al Gore announced that he's joining Silicon Valley's most prestigious venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers. The high-profile environmental activist, who won an Academy Award for his global warming documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," is expected to play a big role at the firm

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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:34 AM
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9. And infighting in poltical campaigns is new?
Didn't Al Gore attack Bill Bradley and vice versa in 2000? That is politics, which is why he is NOT in this BS now, but working to actually mend a much wider breach. Good Lord how many times do people have to hit their heads against a brick wall to make this point?
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:36 AM
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10. I've finally come to terms with his not running
Previously, I had wondered how Al could NOT run, since being Prez would give him the most power for effecting the "climate crisis."

But now I think he's made a wise choice. I think he'd be so busy cleaning up eight years of Bush's crap that he wouldn't have time to deal with what is clearly his passion.

I'm just sad that the media hates him so much that we're not likely to hear much about him in the future.

Forget I said any of this if Al decides to run, because he'd have my vote regardless!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:13 PM
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43. Yeah, me too
He's not going to run, I've resolved that but if he did, I would volunteer all of my time and money. I won't do either of those for any of the candidates running right now.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:45 AM
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11. is this the first primary season you've ever witnessed or something?
sheesh... :eyes:

btw- al gore is NOT going to run, so get over it, already.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:46 AM
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12. Yes.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:47 AM
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13. Yes!
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:52 AM
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14. Open conventions are a thing of the past
I think we will have somebody with enough delegates by the end of March. People who don't do well in the early go-arounds will get out of the race. The party will unite behind the person who Democrats nationally endorse thru primaries and caucuses. It won't be Al Gore.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:03 PM
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15. My ex, a serious non-voter until 2000,
has registered in FL to write in Al. He claims he's heard others thinking about doing the same.

I'm in PA, my primary vote has been moot for years.

But I keep trying and voting and calling and mailing anyway. :)
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:15 PM
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16. There won't be an open convention
every four years somebody suggests it, even hopes for it, because it was be dramatic and interesting. But there's no reason to believe we won't have a candidate long before then.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:19 PM
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17. Yes,
I believe he could.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:51 PM
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18. Yes!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:52 PM
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19. Yes. NeoGore is "The One!"
:D



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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:10 PM
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21. I gotta tell ya ..... I'm not so sure ........
....... I love Al. I want to see him run. I'd work my ass for him.

My business partners are both REAL good liberals. Neither one of them support him and neither one of them could see themselves voting for him. One supports Kucinich and one is, like me, undecided and leaning straight up. :)

I've mentioned Gore in the past. They both cite the same thing ...... he's already lost once. They understand the theft (they're mostly very informed). Their bottom line is simple. He didn't bring it home.

I wonder how many others think like that.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:18 PM
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26. I like Uma Thurman's description of Al Gore better and I also believe
Al Gore won, it was the American People; who lost.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/77828

There he was again on the world stage--in Oslo this time--celebrating his Nobel Peace Prize with singer Melissa Etheridge and actress Uma Thurman, the Hollywood hottie who called him "adorable" and said listening to him talk was "like watching a beautiful racehorse run." But Al Gore isn't running. Which raises the question: maybe Gore's gotten a little too adorable--too comfortable in his role as a globe-trotting guru. What about his own damn country? Why isn't Al Gore--Nobel laureate and enviro rock star, embodiment of the alternative history that never was, winner of the largest popular-vote total in U.S. presidential history--seeking the job that many people still think should have been his in 2000? Yes, we've all heard that Gore's reached a kind of peace within himself, and what fire that is left in his belly is guttering out. But shouldn't this Hamlet of the Hustings be tormented with a little of the melancholy Dane's anguished ambition, telling himself: "The time is out of joint; O cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right?"

<snip>

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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:33 PM
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28. I totally agree
People chronically say Al Gore had the presidency stolen from him. People seldom remark 51 million American voters had their president stolen from them. I too have been hoping Al Gore not just on his own behalf but on behalf of us 51 million voters would take another shot at the office for which he is obviously the best suited.

I am not convinced the party will unite behind a candidate. I do not see Hillary getting the liberals among us to totally unite behind her in light of her political conduct, i.e., votes of the past. Originally, it was suggested that she does not mind if the liberals run away from her candidacy because it is the Independents' votes she desires more. And that desire shows in her conduct, so I don't think for the sake of party unity, those of us who feel stung by her Bush* enablement will "fall in line" at the last moment.

As far as Barack is concerned, he does not appear to suffer from the same alienation from the liberals Hillary does, but the so-called party elite, "the party leaders" will resort to under the radar bombing of his campaign (much in the same way as it did Dean in 2004) -- which will only further split the party.

So I will just sit and watch what happens because I think anything can happen.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:54 PM
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30. I hope it DOES splinter...
Maybe that way, progressives can finally get some representation. The DLC can go to its richly deserved hell taking Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, Harman, Emanuel, along with every last blue dog, triangulator and the entire rats nest of "bend over for the Commander Guy" faux democrats.

They can continue to call themselves democrats and continue to act like republicans for all I care. They're not going to be fooling anybody any longer.

Progressives can call themselves any damn thing they want as long as they do everything they can to oppose, subvert and destroy what the DLC has created -- and as long as they offer sane and "electable" alternatives to the endless stream of demolican/republicrat corporatist devil spawn.

Maybe that's how you finally get a second party in this country. Imagine an actual two-party system in which there's a world of discernible difference between them. And where voters actually have a choice that goes beyond simply ratifying one of two business-friendly androids who've been pre-selected for their unswerving loyalty to the rich bastards and predatory corporations who control them through gigantic campaign donations, or "bribes" as they're known in our native tongue.

I have no doubt which camp Gore would wind up in. It would be interesting to see which way the wind blows for Edwards. And I'll take a wild guess that Ms. Clinton and Mr. Obama would continue to align themselves with the same old reactionaries. $91 million and $80 million, respectively, buys a hell of a lot of loyalty.


wp
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:35 PM
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35. The problem with Dem overconfidence for 2008
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 08:59 PM by sjdnb
Progressives and Liberals are to the Democrats what the Christian Conservatives and pro-business is to the right.

And, they are just as passionate and committed about the causes they believe in.

Unfortunately, they are not as likely, as the right, to toss aside their convictions for the good of the party. Not that I'm suggesting they'll run out and vote for Republicans, but they could become apathetic.

Immediately following the 2006 elections, Progressives and Liberals believed they had helped elect a majority that, while perhaps not able to override a veto, would use their majority to undo at least some of the harm and expose some of the corruption, incompetence, fraud, waste, and malfeasance committed during six years of an unchecked Bush Administration. But, instead, they learned nothing had really changed.

For example:

To begin impeachment proceedings, a SIMPLE majority is needed. Perhaps the Dems could never get the majority required to convict (that didn't stop the GOP with Clinton), but the hearings could shed some light on the 'crimes and misdemeanors' of the Bush Administration - and, who knows, there's enough there that maybe even the GOP couldn't override the public outrage once the facts were brought to light.

Iraq War Funding - time and time again, the Democratic Leadership has ignored the will of the people and caved before even putting up any semblence of a fight.

And, what happened to all the investigations - Medicare Bill, Katrina, Iraq, Blackwater/Defense Contractors, Justice Department, NSA wire tapping, Signing Statements, etc. Most everything they've done has been symbolic, not effective.

But, just give them some ridiculous resolution such as "Recognizing the importance of Christianity & Christmas" and they stumble over each other to help pass it 372 - 9. Ironically, S King (IA) - the resolution's sponsor - also seems to have recognized how insignificant it was as he didn't even show up to vote for it. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2007-114...



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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:12 PM
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23. Yes!!! Though he is very happy with his day job...n/t
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:33 PM
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34. Uh...I wouldn't worry about that. Democrats are united. You're thinking of DUers.
I often wonder how many of them are Democrats.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:42 PM
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36. Of course the party will unite after the primaries
That is both our greatest strength and our greatest weakness.

As much as it breaks my heart, Gore missed his chance so it isn't going to happen. I'm just hoping we get someone in there who will be willing to let Gore play Jiminy Cricket environmentally.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:43 PM
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37. yes. . . . . . n/t
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:50 PM
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39. Stranger Things...


<snip>

... With such shenanigans, a given party could virtually guarantee that the favored candidate would be nominated whether the constituency wanted him or not, even if the candidate himself did not feel disposed towards running. Indeed, the nomination of a reluctant President Franklin Delano Roosevelt to run for his third term was conducted by essentially a single man. Roosevelt, tired after two terms, was argued into running for a third by Chicago mayor Ed Kelly. Kelly managed to convince the Democratic Party to hold the convention in Chicago rather than Philadelphia, where he could easily manipulate things. Unfortunately, FDR announced at the convention that he wasn't interested in running. However, the wily Kelly had stationed Thomas D. Garry, Chicago superintendent of sewers, in the basement of the convention center with a microphone wired into the public address system and a switch to turn everything else off. At the appropriate moment (right after FDR's spokesman announced his reluctance to run), Garry shouted into the mike, "We want Roosevelt! Alabama wants Roosevelt!" The Alabama delegates looked at one another in confusion. "Jersey City wants Roosevelt!" The New Jersey boss Frank Hague asked his delegation, "Who said that?" The chant caught on, and before long, the entire convention was clamoring for FDR's reelection. He subsequently took the nomination, the Presidency, and the United States into World War II, all thanks to a lowly sewer guy.

<snip>

Link: http://www.historyhouse.com/uts/party_conventions /

Damn I love that undemocratic story, LOL !!!

And thank goddess it worked!

:shrug:
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:16 PM
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45. Al Gore might be the only one who truly CAN unite the party at this point.
I really wish he would claim the office which is rightfully his.
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