DU Morality Test:

[BuyingThyme]

Poll question: DU Morality Test:

Do you, under any circumstance, support waterboarding and or any other form of torture?

[BuyingThyme]

1. Key:

If you answered YES, you are morally vacant. If you answered NO, you are morally superior.

[blondeatlast]

3. Not morally superior, just have the capacity for empathy, in my case.

OTOH, maybe that inherently makes me morally superior. :shrug:

[BuyingThyme]

4. Yes, you are morally superior!

[mike_c]

2. proud to be the first to vote HELL NO....

Not to save my own children.

[Name removed]

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[Demeter]

6. Not Even for Bush or Cheney

Reality of criminality's consequences will be punishment enough for them.

[Buzz Clik]

7. Oh, shit. I thought this was a mortality test, and I was dying to take it.

:shrug:

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. Bwahahaha! You kill me!

[blondeatlast]

9. Well, for or against mortality?

You slay me...

[Buzz Clik]

11. ***groan***

Ok, that was good.

[blondeatlast]

14. Take your time, it's a tough call. Just remember we don't have forever.

Ba-da-bum...

[CoffeeCat]

10. Hold on...Bush does not support torture...

When George Bush tells you, "We don't torture" or "I don't support torture"...guess
what?

He's not lying.

Bush had his legal eagles in the Justice Department re-define torture. Torture, as now
defined in the United States is any act that doesn't cause organ failure or death.

Furthermore, if the "interrogation technique" that you are employing--is used for
the express purpose of extracting information---according to US law--that "interrogation
technique" cannot be construed as torture. It is not torture, because you are not
"torturing" per se, you are trying to extract information.

The media should stop asking Bush questions regarding "torture" because of this. They
need to specifically ask him, "Do you think waterboarding is illegal?" "Do you believe
that beating someone senseless is torture?", "Do you believe that driving someone into
a mental fetal state, from which they never recover, is torture?".

The word "torture" means nothing in America now. They've retooled it's original meaning.

Welcome to the new America.

[Deep13]

12. My conservative, technical legal sensibilities find it appauling.

I mean conservative in the true sense of the word, not the present-day political sense.

Torture is punishment. Punishment may only be dished out for committing a crimes. Before it can be, there has to be an indictment and a public jury trial. Punishment may not be cruel and unusual.

The Constitution governs people, not dirt. Anyone acting on behalf of the USA is bound by its terms no matter where that agent is standing.

Subverting the Constitution makes a person a traitor to the revolution and a coward for attempting to put his safety before the long term freedom for his country. I say "attempting" because one cannot get reliable information from torture and punishing prisoners will only make the enemy fight harder against us.

[BurtWorm]

13. Not by government or other authority certainly.

The Enlightenment was supposed to have cured us of allowing the powerful to put individuals' lives and limbs at risk at will.

[blondeatlast]

15. The "yes" votes need to explain themselves. Really. (One has, but I can't

support his reasoning, either)

[NMMNG]

16. But according to the RW waterboarding isn't torture

I'm sure they'd change their minds right quick if they or any of their loved ones were about to be subjected to it though.



Effing sadists. :grr:

[Perry Logan]

17. If a Dem regime had used waterboarding, there would be no debate on whether it was torture.

[Squatch]

18. Waterboarding isn't torture.

:hide:

[Selatius]

19. Jesus would torture and maim everybody if it meant saving Americans!

That's what Jesus would do! :sarcasm:

[NeedleCast]

20. If torture worked, I might

under some circumstances. Just about everyone worth listening to on the subject though seems to indicate that torture rarely gets you any real information. People will say whatever they want to make the pain stop.

[Quantess]

21. I like this counter-spin a lot.

On FAUX, it would be called "Patriotism Test" to encourage opposite results. It's definitely closer tied to morality than patriotism, so I like this spin much better.

I'm against torture because it's unnecessary and an ineffective way to obtain secrets.

[BuyingThyme]

23. But I didn't put any spin in the question.

Only in the key.

I suspect there are plenty of people out there who actually think torture is the moral thing to do...like voting Republican.

[Quantess]

26. Hey, I like your framing.

I'm just saying that morality is one factor, and that another reason to be against torture interrogation is because it's unnecessary and ineffective.
:)

[bryant69]

22. One man's torture is another man's solitary confinement.

Presumably if you answer yes you are immoral?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Hippo_Tron]

24. I don't support torture, certain interrogation techniques possibly

Lets take sleep deprivation, for example. It could certainly be used as a form of torture, a means of enacting physical discomfort in order to get compliance. I don't support that under any circumstances.

On the other hand, I could see the possibility that it is a means of throwing someone off of their game to get them to give up information that they might not give up if they were well rested and thinking clearly. I could condone that in theory. The obvious problems in reality are that how do you distinguish it from torture and does it really work? I still think that sleep deprivation is a more about gaining compliance than effectively gathering information. If anybody knows more about interrogation techniques and would like to enlighten me on the subject, feel free to do so.

[Bright Eyes]

25. Who the hell voted yes??? NT

[bunkerbuster1]

27. Freepig moles.

[Generator]

28. You know I wish we had people

discussing this on TV. Because some people don't seem to get what torture is. If you use it in a sentence-listen to opera music for ten hours straight is torture-well that's trying to drive them crazy-a kind of torture but one where it's NOT physical pain.


But here's the deal-torture-is simply doing something that causes extreme pain over and over to someone. Not being able to breathe is certainly torture-especially when you don't know when you will breathe again-you can't control your own breathing and you don't know if the person drowning you for answers or for fun or because they hate you and might leave you under long enough to die. That might even happen as an accident or on purpose-how could anyone ever know if it wasn't just murder?

Torture is physical pain with the INTENT to cause pain. With the intent to NOT kill you. Therefore, the Bush admin made their definition torture something that doesn't kill you. DUH. Fuck faces. Torture is pain over and over again that doesn't stop that you have no control of. It comes and goes over and over again.

It's pretty clear. But no one can discuss it. Apparently. Torture is not complicated. If I stick a fork in your foot over and over again-you won't die-but you will be in pain. That's torture. God it America?

And why is it wrong? Because on the one even if it was a million chance (though the numbers in Guantanamo might be forty percent-oh never mind America someone is being held prisoner with no hearing and being tortured right now to keep you "safe" America") Innocent person.

Would you want your son to have a fork in his foot over and over again for months and have a wound there for the rest of his life America? What if he was a troop in another country and they followed America's definition of torture? He's not dead. He's still alive. So it's not torture, no organs harmed.

Also, it doesn't work.

Also, it's morally wrong. And what torture does to those that torture is another torture.

[BuyingThyme]

29. I think we need to include psychological abuses also.

[emilyg]

30. No.

[slackmaster]

31. Yes - Any activity done in private among consenting adults is OK

:hi:

[LeftishBrit]

32. No Way!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. Here's a simple test. "Would you allow someone to do it to a child or pet?"

It's easy for some to throw in a lot of "but's" when the victim is designated a "terrorist".