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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:09 AM
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Mortgage Industry Insider Says the Mortgage Mess is Far Far Worse than You Think
"Although home ownership has been a wise choice for many people, this particular real estate bubble has been carefully engineered to lure home buyers into circumstances detrimental to their own best interests. The bait is easy money. The trap is a modern equivalent to peonage – a lifetime spent working to pay off debt on an asset of rapidly dwindling value.

Most everyone involved in the real estate bubble thus far has made money. But all that is about to change. The bubble will burst . . and when it does, the people who thought they would be living the easy life of a landlord will soon find that what they really signed up for was the hard servitude of debt serfdom.

Many home owners are spending tomorrow’s capital gain today by taking out home-equity loans. For families whose real wages are stagnant or falling, borrowing against higher property prices seems almost like taking money from a bank account that has earned valuable dividends. New home-equity loans added $200 billion to the US economy in 2004 alone.

The problem is, home-owner debt is about to surpass the size of America’s entire domestic product. And in growing numbers of housing markets around the country, home prices seem to have reached their peak, and in some places are already in decline...

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The Government and the market are trying to boil this down to a ’sub-prime’ thing, especially with all constant talk of ‘resets’. But sub-prime loans were only a small piece of the mortgage mess. And sub-prime loans are not the only ones with resets. What we are experiencing should be called ‘The Mortgage Meltdown’ because many different exotic loan types are imploding currently belonging to what lenders considered ‘qualified’ or ‘prime’ borrowers. This will continue to worsen over the next few of years. When ‘prime’ loans begin to explode to a degree large enough to catch national attention, the ratings agencies will jump on board and we will have ‘Round 2′. It is not that far away.

Since 2003, when lending first started becoming extremely lax, a small percentage of the loans were true sub-prime fixed or arms. But sub-prime is what is being focused upon to draw attention away from the fact the lenders and Wall Street banks made all loans too easy to attain for everyone. They can explain away the reason sub-prime loans are imploding due to the weakness of the borrower.

How will they explain foreclosures in wealthy cities across the nation involving borrowers with 750 scores when their loan adjusts higher or terms change overnight because they reached their maximum negative potential on a neg-am Pay Option ARM for instance?

Sub-prime aren’t the only kind of loans imploding. Second mortgages, hybrid intermediate-term ARMS, and the soon-to-be infamous Pay Option ARM are also feeling substantial pressure...

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In Northern California, a household income of $90,000 per year could legitimately pay the minimum monthly payment on an Option ARM on a million home for the past several years. Most Option ARMs allowed zero to 5% down. Therefore, given the average income of the Bay Area, most families could buy that million dollar home. A home seller had a vast pool of available buyers.

Now, with all the exotic programs gone, a household income of $175,000 is needed to buy that same home, which is about 10% of the Bay Area households. And, inventories are up 500%. So, in a nutshell we have 90% fewer qualified buyers for five-times the number of homes. To get housing moving again in Northern California, either all the exotic programs must come back, everyone must get a 100% raise or home prices have to fall 50%. None, except the last sound remotely possible.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_richard__071208_mortgage_industry_in.htm

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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:21 AM
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1. Our next door neighbors bugged out today
At least that's what we assume because they moved out without warning. Going back to where they came from, so they said. Their house has been for sale for a while, the sign is still on the lawn. They were very good folks, we're sorry to lose them as neighbors and have no clue where they've gone.

We also saw a repo-truck go down the street to another house on Friday.

Wall Street can spin it any way they like, this is only the beginning. :(
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 02:51 AM
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10. It's NO accident.. Millions of boomers were/are "on the cusp" of
"cashing out", and the people putting up all those new houses need to keep the values down, or who will buy their new shiny boxes?

I always expected "something to happen" as we started to retire.. at every other milestone phse of our lives, we have been met with financial "oddities".. and none in our favor..

As we came of age, we had extreme competition for jobs (due to our huge numbers), and with it, wage stagnation (why pay people more, when there are just so damned MANY pf them..eager and willing to work for whatever they can get?)

We had "stagflation,wage freezes, double digit INflation, real gasoline shortages, double didgit home mortgages (think 16%) and of course a few nasty recessions in the mid-to late 70's..

Then came Reagan, ready to strip us of what few tax deductions most of could use, and of course he also doubled FICA, 86-ed pension plans, busted unions and set out to spend the country into oblivion the "fake" boom he "created" is what started up the housing-a-palooza, and what contributed to the greed & excess we have all come to remember the 80-'s for...and set the stage for the upcoming savings & loan crumble that we had to pay for too..

I always half-way expected that by the time we actually retired, our "boomer-luck" would kick us in the ass..just like it's always done,..ever since 1970

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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:44 AM
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2. Here's another angle...
...I mentioned this in a "sub-prime" thread a week or two ago. I have a friend who's a realtor who's gone back to his original line of work (selling sprinkler systems for homes and businesses). He hasn't given up his real estate license but said that his old office is like a ghost town. Half of the agents have stopped coming in. That kind of scenario will only get worse as this unfolds.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:45 AM
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3. Anyone had the disheartening experience of trying to talk a low-income wage earner out of
buying a home in this market and been ignored? I have and it sucked.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:53 AM
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6. Tell him to wait until the market has completely hit the bottom.
It doesn't make sense to buy a home when prices are still depreciating. You don't want to take out a mortgage that may end up being bigger than the fair market value of your home.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 02:28 AM
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8. I did tell her that, and she blew me off.
"But they said I was an 'A plus' applicant! How could I turn that down?"
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 02:32 AM
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9. They sold that bill of goods to many low-income people before the meltdown.
They're doing this to push up short-term profits. They're so fixated on short-term profits that they're neglecting long-term viability.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:46 AM
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4. When can we call it serfdom? Serfs were tied down to the land and worked for the landlord.
The serfs of the medieval period couldn't leave the manor without permission from the landlord because the landlord needed the serf's labor to till the fields for the lord.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:48 AM
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5. What I'm wondering is, how much of the economy is this going to take down for how long?
I am trying to figure out a safe place to invest.... I am beginning to think the best place would be out of the country.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:57 AM
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7. I recently read in Forbes mag they're hoping to understand the seriousness of the problem by the
spring of 2009. Not saying the problem will be bottomed out by then, but trying to evaluate the $$$ problems.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:55 AM
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11. If its known that come Jan 08 mortgages will reset @ 50B per mo
why would anyone need to wait until 09 to say something is amiss?
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 06:26 AM
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12. There were 14 million subprime loans written in the last several years.
About HALF are expected to go into default, according to some. This is just the tip of the iceberg for sure.
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