legalize cannabis now

[krj44]

many studies out have indicated that weed is the best pain killer on the market/off the market it is not addictive and it a has a tumor necrosis factor,my own doctor and pharmacist both stated that it is better than most drugs on the market.

[lvx35]

1. Weed, weed, and damn Ron Paul.

Googles robotically responds to your post with this ad:

[aquart]

2. DO IT.

And then stop being stupid about the OTHER painkillers, too. Addiction is NOT worse than pain.

[krj44]

4. weed is not addictive,

it won't be approved for the use against pain because it can be grown in your backyard cutting the drug companies out of bigtime money.i have talked to over a 100 drs. pharmacists,lwa officers who concur that this is the best pain medicine for arthritis,cancer and general pain.its not a cure just helps a patient cope.

[jberryhill]

8. You can grow tobacco in your back yard, too...

...so somehow the "they can't make money" thing doesn't ring true.

You can grow vegetables too - but most people buy them at the store.

[EOTE]

11. Since when has big pharma been marketing cigarettes?

Or vegetables for that matter? So yes, the "they can't make money" thing, still rings very true. I'm sure the 'big grocery' lobbyists would prefer it if we couldn't grow our own vegetables, but I don't think they'd have very much luck getting that legislation passed.

[jberryhill]

14. I don't see any great difference between big pharma and big tobacco

The commercial production of tobacco products is more limited than even pharma is.

I don't see why the situation with legal marijuana would differ substantially from luxury products such as fine cigars or distilled spirits. You can make your own corn mash, but it's not going to come out like Maker's Mark.

Back when marijuana was legal, Bayer was still making a fortune from aspirin.

Explain to me how "big pharma" got the citizens of Alaska to vote it down in 2004?

[tridim]

19. I believe the people know how to grow better cannabis than RJ Reynolds could.

We've been doing it for thousands of years.

If the tobacco companies started growing it, it would be just as bad for you as cigarettes. No thanks.

[jberryhill]

21. That's not the point

A - I have brewed my own beer - it's great.

B - Yes, because of the development of grow techniques over the last 30 years, outstanding quality is usually obtained by close attention to a small group of plants.

The point is that I do not believe that "big pharma" is preventing legalization of marijuana on this economic conspiracy ground. The only relevance of tobacco is that it, too, can be grown at home, but a very few companies have made a lot of money based on the fact that people will pay for convenience.

People will also pay for quality, which is why there are things like expensive cigars.

The citizens of Oregon voted down medical marijuana, and the citizens of Alaska voted down legal marijuana. I doubt that 'big pharma' had much of an impact with the voters of either of these two states.

If you can't get that to fly in Alaska - where the state Supreme Court virtually legalized home production and consumption - then the hard sell is not with drug company lobbyists.

[tridim]

24. We got it to fly in Denver.

Too bad the feds don't care.

[jberryhill]

27. That's not a reason to stop working on a local level

It takes time to reach a tipping point.

[killbotfactory]

85. The problem is cannabis competes with many drugs at once

Of course they are lobbying against medical marijuana and legalization. Booze companies as well. On top of that the government absolutely hates to give up any power it has, no matter how ill-gotten or abused, so they pile on with a whole bunch of scare tactics (like lying about the drug for the past seventy years).

[EOTE]

23. The point is...

That if everyone were able to grow their own bud legally, big pharmaceuticals would make a lot less money on all their currently-legal 'alternatives' to the herb. And I can't imagine many who partake in the herb would be reluctant to grow their own if they were able to do so legally. I guess it would depend on what the market decides the price on bud to be. If I could get seriously good KB for say, $50 an ounce or so, I'd probably just get my bud at the 711. If it were closer to the prices that people are paying nowadays for the good stuff ($300 or more an ounce) due to taxation and such, I'd grow my own. And it wouldn't be ditch weed either. A little knowledge and a small investment in hydroponics equipment can yield amazing results in 4 to 6 months.

[jberryhill]

26. I just don't buy the "lot less money" part

Compare the price of tea and honey to the price of cough syrup.

Tea and honey are more effective in my experience with my own kids, but I don't think I'm putting a dent in the great marketing job that big pharma does with less effective cough syrups.

I doubt that pharmaceutical companies are seriously concerned. You would be hard-pressed to find more rational voters on this issue than you would in Alaska and Oregon, and Oregon voters wouldn't even approve medical marijuana. I don't think it is because they were paid off by big pharma.

That's all. I just think that proposing an economic conspiracy on the subject is not productive to developing a marketable political project to legalize marijuana. The climate for legalization was BETTER back in in the 1970's.

The economic downside of illegality is a much better point, IMHO.

[EOTE]

35. Depends on what you mean by 'paid off'.

No, those voters who went out in massive numbers to vote against decriminalization weren't paid off by big pharma, they've simply been brainwashed by the billions of ad dollars that big pharma and the ONDCP throws out demonizing the er... uh... demon weed. No, your tea and honey doesn't put a dent in big pharma's profits. However, you should know that marijuana has been used by a ridiculous amount of people for a ridiculous amount of different ailments. I've heard about its uses as an anti-carcinogen, as a cure for nausea, a way of weight control for AIDS patients and MANY other uses.

I'll tell you a bit of anecdotal evidence of how cannabis has helped me. As a child and teen, I was athsmatic and would get really bad bronchitis every year. As a result, I'd typically miss an entire week of school and/or work. Since I started partaking in the herb, I haven't suffered a single day with bronchitis. It would always start the same way, I'd get this annoying tickle in my throat and it would get progressively worse from there until I was coughing up thick mucous and blood. Now, when I begin to feel that tickle, I simply have a few good tokes. Almost immediately I'll feel the phlegm in my throat begin to loosen and I can shortly thereafter cough the bad stuff up. If the tickle comes back, I just repeat. Once again, since I've discovered bud, I haven't suffered a single day with bronchitis. For that, I am eternally thankful.

[jberryhill]

42. I don't think you understand

I am in favor of legalization.

You believe that if some battle were to be won against "big pharma", then it would be legalized.

No.

The problem is one of educating voters. This requires social engagement with a large number of people who are not going to share whatever other political baggage you carry along.

Legalization is not even a left/right issue. There are plenty of conservative Republicans who share the same view - e.g. Wm. F. Buckley, and low-taxers who recognize the enforcement costs.

That is difficult work.

But, if you reduce the problem to having to do something about large corporations with lots of money, then what is the political appeal of your position - "big companies with lots of money are evil". That's a narrowband argument that turns off a huge chunk of folks who are otherwise receptive to positive arguments in favor of legalization.

If your persuasive approach to the general population is "you are all brainwashed by corporate media", then good luck with that.

[Uncle Joe]

41. The growing prison industry would make far less money as well,

they have a direct motivation in putting as many people as possible in to prison. I believe their ideal prototype prisoner would be a non-violent drug offender, as they would cause them the least amount of problems.

I also believe the prison industry by it's very nature is as Un-American as Un-American could ever get. Their corporate ethos and lobbying efforts can only lead to a harsh police state with an ever increasing number of draconian laws aimed at the very heart of American freedom. You will never see them lobbying for less restrictive laws against the American People, because they want to convert citizens in to convicts, thereby neutralizing the free spirit of the American People while making money doing it.

[GA_ArmyVet]

57. Ohhh and I do love my Makers Mark

It is not the Big Pharma that will lose money from legalization. It is your good old corrupt politicians, and others who take their bribes from the dealers. and I am not talking about your street level dealers. The amount of money involve in illegal drugs distro is staggering. The profit margin is unreal. Drug dealers do not want the market legal as they would be out of business. As an example, I worked a criminal case back in 1998 on the theft of narcotics from a hospital pharmacy and the legal price of a kilo of pharmacy grade pure cocaine was four dollars. That was the price paid by the hospital for their cocaine (used in nasal and eye surgery). My estimate on street value of a kilo at that time was around $32,000.00. (please correct me if my estimate is off but I was never really into the drug scene, just happened to be a theft in a pharmacy) From that estimate the markup on the cocaine is unreal. I know this was about Marijuana but still the same principle applies. The money from the sale of illicit substances only works if it is illicit. Once it is legal the value drops significantly. Coincidentally, I agree with the legalization for just that reason, it would take money away from street gangs, which is one of the main ways they fund their activities now.

[jberryhill]

81. You are much closer to the point...

Before addressing the point, always be sure to take advantage of duty free shopping when you travel. In San Diego, for example, you can get fantastic prices, walk into Mexico with your purchase, and then walk right back into the US.

Anyway, in the context of alcohol prohibition, the principle you refer to is the "Baptists and Bootleggers Coalition".

But, yes, legalization would devastate the economy of British Columbia.

[krj44]

12. HEY YOUR RIGHT

but as far as i know cal. and col. are the only states using weed as a pain killer,you know it has a chemical that shrinks tumors.

[IntravenousDemilo]

44. You can't grow tobacco everywhere. And where you can, you have to dry and cure it.

Weed grows up in the Yukon, practically unaided, and is practically ready to use.

Many, if not most, urban dwellers don't have either the yard space or the aptitude to grow enough vegetables to keep themselves fed, plus there's winter. And if you went through marijuana at the same rate and poundage that you go through veggies, you -- well, you just couldn't.

[jberryhill]

52. Ditch weed is one thing...

But you provide a lot of reasons to assume those same urban dwellers would be more likely to pay someone for pot instead of screwing around with grow lights, plant sexing, nutrient management, odor, space, and so on...

And for those that do, you don't think there are agribusineses that wouldn't just love to expand their consumer sales of liquid plant nutrient?

Some of them are even.... PHARMA COMPANIES.

But, yeah, I can just see folks lining up for wet ditch weed.

[druidity33]

55. SO not true

i've sampled many an excellent outdoor vintage.

the trick is to START from good seed.

:)


And, to respond to another argument you posit... tobacco is a very difficult plant to grow well, whereas weed is well... a weed. The two are worlds apart when it comes to cultivating and curing. MJ truly needs very little care/water... and it digs deep, so it helps to break up compacted soil.

As for big Pharma, there are no drugs that help with IBS. So they can't even compete there. I also don't think they'd be able to compete with independent growers who would be happy to put their underground operations into legal full scale businesses on the up and up. They've been perfecting their craft for a very long time.

And i agree with you that the issue is really about educating people not only that mj is not the "devil weed" but that like everything else that has an affect on your body, moderate use is wise counsel.

[jberryhill]

79. While overall, it isn't relevant to the point of the thread

I don't think you understand where the materials for liquid nutrient and other indoor growing supplies come from.

The raw materials for this kind of stuff:

http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=62&navid=12

http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=173&navid=18

...does not come from anyone's closet.

Indeed, the Dutch government has had to clamp down on people dumping spent hydroponic nutrients into the canals due to the problems that were being created by the need for thousands of small independent bud growers needing to get rid of these complex nutrient solutions.

[druidity33]

84. yikes!

pay attention man! I was talking only about OUTDOOR. Y'know the ones you plant, and visit only twice before harvest. IE, dig hole, put in small amt of organic COMPOST (all i ever use for ANY plant), water, visit in two months, water, visit in one month, sex and water, visit again periodically if possible.

It's like cultivating dandelions. So really, i don't think YOU understand what i'm talking about.

:shrug:

[jberryhill]

89. The vast majority of urban dwellers

...who constitute the pharmaceutical market which is allegedly going to plummet from legal marijuana are not going to be growing anything outdoors.

I understand what you are talking about. The subthread here is about the contention that pharmaceutical companies are engaged in political maneuvering to prevent legalization of something that people can grow for themselves.

However, even though homegrown tomatoes - whether indoor or outdoor - are generally tastier than store-bought tomatoes, it turns out that more tomatoes are sold in stores than people buy at home.

If you look at, say, the winners of the Cannabis Cup or other extremely high quality marijuana, it tends not to be outdoor grown. And in a market where demand is going to be fixed on a year-round basis, most marijuana (like commercial tomatoes most of the year) isn't going to be outdoor grown either. Nobody is growing marijuana outdoors in the Yukon in January.

Yes, marijuana grows easily outdoors, as do a number of other plants which people *can* grow for themselves, but for any number of reasons do not grow for themselves. However, hobby cultivators of things like tomatoes, orchids, peppers, and so on, also tend to be consumers of sophisticated agricultural products which overlap to some extent with the products of large pharmaceutical and agriculture product manufacturers.

As noted lower in the thread, if one were to sort out the economic interests in maintaining illegality, there are certainly a number of actors in the marijuana economy engaged in the production and distribution thereof, who would be wiped out in short order.

[AlecBGreen]

62. incorrect

growing tobacco requires more permits and licenses than you can shake a stick at. Even possession of a cut plant is illegal if you dont have the requisite paperwork. Citizens cant grow it. Period. Try finding seeds...

[jberryhill]

80. IF you are raising it for consumption by others - yes

But that's true of a lot of things done commercially.



People do raise tobacco recreationally. If you want seeds, you can buy them, e.g., here:

http://www.seedman.com/Tobacco.htm#2

PLANTING AND RAISING

Raising tobacco is very easy. The seeds you received should be started inside in flats. In northern states, start the seeds 4-6 weeks before the last frost. Tobacco can be ready to harvest for curing about 60 days after transplanting, therefore it can be raised in almost any state. If raising more than one variety of tobacco, use separate flats. A mixture of peat humus and potting soil should be used. Potting soil only can be used if you select a high grade of commercial potting soil. Place the mixture into the flats, soak the soil with water and allow the excess water to drain off. The next day, sprinkle the tobacco seeds onto the surface of the damp soil. Do not cover the seeds as they need light for germination. Tobacco seeds are very tiny, so be careful to spread the seeds evenly. Keep the soil damp being careful not to wash the seeds around when you water. You will begin to notice sprouts in about two weeks. Transplant outside after all danger of frost is past.

[AlecBGreen]

91. wow, thanks for the correction

thats cool! my old roommates father was a VP @ Phillip Morris in charge of lobbying (boo hiss, i know) and he told me it was illegal. Ill have to let him know the truth!

:hi:

[jberryhill]

92. Ah... well..

PM's production of tobacco IS very highly regulated.

The same would be true of me if I tried to sell my home brewed beer to the public.

[FatDave]

69. Back when I smoked

I bought fresh tobacco from a small farmer in North Carolina. It made the most delicious cigarettes you could imagine. Damn, I miss that 50/50 mix of Turkish and Virginia tobaccos.

Yeah, I was a definite minority, but just sayin'...

[me b zola]

65. I completely agree

--and I get that you weren't saying that weed is addictive, you were speaking to how doctors are so freaked out that a person who lives with chronic pain might become addicted to painkillers that they allow so many of us to live in mind-numbing pain.

[Bright Eyes]

3. Damn straight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTZzf40V4Xw

^^ Best Simpson's episode.

[dysfunctional press]

5. "my own doctor and pharmacist both stated that it is better than most drugs on the market..."

which is EXACTLY WHY it will never be legalized in these Corporatist United States.

[spanone]

6. it's still reefer madness time.....can't look 'soft on drugs'

[mitchtv]

33. yeah look at the asshole Edwards made of himself

at the last debate VOLUNTEERING his anti pot comments. He probably lost my vote then

[killbotfactory]

7. It would be nice if citizens could have some say in whether it is illegal or not

Rather than politicians who seem to be in the pocket of major industries that benefit from keeping marijuana illegal.

[jberryhill]

18. Uh, no... it would be nice to simply be rational

Instead of turning out to vote against "killer weed"

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/ballot.measures/

Alaska Measure 2:
Legalizing Marijuana

Yes 134,647
No 169,608


Oregon Measure 33:
Medical Marijuana

Yes 764,015
No 1,021,814

[krj44]

34. you see people are ignorant on

the subject,pain killers,anti- depressants,etc. are worse for you than weed,its a govt. lie,you are familar with that aren't you.

[jberryhill]

38. Read the thread

I was responding to the suggestion that it would be good for "citizens to decide".

I don't think you understand that I am in favor of legalization. But if Oregon is any indication, letting "citizens decide" is not going to get there.

Neither are defeatist conspiracy theories that say "big pharma won't let it happen". The message there is "so don't bother trying".

[killbotfactory]

39. It would be a step in the right direction

But yes, outright legalization would be wonderful. How do you go about that when most politicians dismiss the idea, and voters reject the idea as well?

[jberryhill]

43. See post above...

By working on voters with a message other than "money is bad" and "you are brainwashed".

[High Plains]

74. Oregon voters approved medical marijuana in 1998

The failed 2004 vote would have created a dispensary system, among other things.

There will most likely be another dispensary initiative on the ballot in 2008.

[jberryhill]

82. Good - I hope they keep trying

...instead of adopting a defeatist attitude.

[tekisui]

9. Legalize the Sacred Herb.

It is for us to use. Given by the Earth. Man cannot take it away.

[krj44]

13. sounds like the words

of gonzo.

[Uncle Joe]

10. Kicked and recommended.

Welcome to D.U., krj44 and thanks for the thread.

[krj44]

16. its interesting subject because

i was wounded in nam and the last 35 years have been hell as far as pain is concerned,i've had 10 surgeries since 2000,finally my doc. recommeded weed because i won't take any of the pain killers prescribed,pain from the spine is horrific.

[Uncle Joe]

22. I appreciate your service during a tumultous time

and I wish you well.

[krj44]

30. thank you kind sir

5 stars.

[tridim]

15. I've been doing a lot of research about cannabis and epilepsy lately

Because my epileptic dog doesn't respond to epilepsy drugs. (Also see my thread earlier this week about my dog eating my stash).

It's not a cure, but evidence says that it's 100% effective for about 6 in 10 epileptics that don't respond to normal medication. Some patients say that if they stop taking cannabis for one day they have an instant seizure. That's hard evidence.

I'm not ready to start medicating my dog with cannabis, but I'm damn close. I spend about $30/month just for her seizure medication, and it doesn't work at all. I'm just about ready to try anything.

It seems like every few weeks a new story comes out about major health benefits of cannabis, yet it's still a banned substance "with no medical value". Bullshit. Flat-out bullshit. We need to take a stand against our government on this one. Lots of states are taking a stand, but the feds just ignore us.

[krj44]

17. i forgot to mention,my

vet also recommened the pill form for my lab.

[tridim]

20. Pill form of what? And for what ailment?

[EOTE]

25. I'm guessing the poster is referring to Marinol.

It's the pill form of THC. No idea what the ailment is though.

[tridim]

29. You're probably right. Marinol is a BS drug.

Real Cannabis is effective because it contains much more than just THC.

[krj44]

31. your right

grow your own,except my dog can't smoke it.

[jberryhill]

37. It's less effective for certain conditions for a couple of reasons...

The "much more" thing is oversold.

First, one of the primary indications for cannabis is to treat nausea and appetite disorders, particularly in connection with cancer chemotherapy. The problem there is getting someone to keep down a pill when they are repetitively vomiting.

For other conditions, the problems are titration and dose control. Smoking gets into the bloodstream much faster, and the patient can control the dose by feel, rather than waiting for variable effective time of a standard dose. That's why it is "more effective" for those indications.

[Asgaya Dihi]

70. I wouldn't dismiss it.

Oversold, sometimes maybe. Depends on who's doing the selling I suppose, anything can be overstated. I wouldn't dismiss it lightly either though. A lot of good work has been done on the relationship between thc and cbd, cbd seems to both help with the painkiller aspect and mellows some of the harsh edge of the pure thc high.

That's one of the differences between a sativa and an indica, thc/cbd ratios, and that's why some don't like the "racy" high of a pure sativa. Paranoia prone for some. Then again some don't like the sleepy high of an indica too I'd guess, matter of taste and intended use. It also makes research into pot with a synthetic lacking everything but the thc suspect in some cases. Better to use the real thing I'd think, it is what we claim to be trying to judge after all. A sativa might be good for some conditions and an indica for others. Titration with marinol is an issue, yes, but so is the fact that it isn't really pot so it can't be expected to do all the same things.

You're right on the money with the big pharma thing though. Sure, they play a role, but so does everything from drug testing to private prisons to politicians who don't know how to say they were wrong to any number of other issues. It's a global education issue, we've got to bypass the spin control and educate the public ourselves, undermine support for the whole process of drug war.

[krj44]

28. cannabis comes in a pill

form.

[tridim]

32. Marinol is synthetic THC, not Cannabis. It doesn't work. nt

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

61. You can make cannabis capsules using cooked coconut oil with a

certain ration of ground leaves/buds for a variety of THC and CBD's. It's basically taking the idea of pot butter except refining the ratios and putting it in capsules.

[Occulus]

67. When cannabis was made illegal,

didn't the AMA come out in favor of being against banning it, only to have their words and reasoning twisted 180 degrees on the House/Senate floor?

I could swear I read that somewhere. Getting the AMA to come out in favor of decriminalization/full legalization would go a long way in this fight.

Why hasn't that been tried before? I've never heard of anyone considering that tactic, and I know for a fact many doctors don't consider cannabis a 'drug' in the same way they do cocaine, opium, meth, etc.

[Asgaya Dihi]

71. On the AMA, Yes

The single rep allowed to speak was told in part ""Doctor, if you haven't got something better to say than that, we are sick of hearing you." You can read that and more about the history of prohibition directly from someone who had access to both private and public government archives to research the issue at the following, as delivered to the California Judges Association 1995 annual conference.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/whiteb1.htm

Or a much shorter but still pretty good version here.

http://www.dpft.org/history.html

The AMA was crushed due to their opposition to both pot and hard drug prohibition, they had better luck they thought treating addicts but the clinics pissed off the zero tolerance crowd of the time and after enough doctors got in legal trouble they "saw the light" so to speak. Same type of thing they are trying to do now I guess, in California they are threatening to seize property from landlords who rent to cannabis clubs and to prosecute the owners. If they can't get the people they want directly they just punish anyone they think might be supporting them until we get the message.

Why doesn't the AMA speak up now? Combination of fear and ignorance I'd guess, unless they've researched it themselves lots of docs probably believe what they were told and of those who don't believe it many fear repercussions. It's developing slowly though, list of medical groups supporting medical use can be found at the following. Maybe they'll jump in eventually, prohibition is getting harder to support with science and that is supposed to be their business. They are listed as supporting research now.

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3390

[AuntPatsy]

36. I agree, and I think its way past time.

[rhett o rick]

40. Wait, Wait...If everyone smoked pot who would fight the wars? No wonder BushCorp don't want

us smoking the weed. O course it's ok for hem.

[jberryhill]

48. Indeed .... or who will fight the battle to legalize it /nt

[Prefer]

45. cannabilize legalis now

[I work for workers]

46. Legalize them ALL now.

The war on drugs has done us far more harm then good.

[librechik]

47. prevents cancer, too!

http://www.thehempire.com/index.php/cannabis/news/cannabinoids_halt_pancreatic_cancer_breast_cancer_growth_studies_say

[iamthebandfanman]

49. and

helps with stomach problems, eye problems, eating problems... etc

[tridim]

50. and..

MS, Alzheimer's, epilepsy, stress, sleeplessness, PMS and migraines.

It's practically a cure-all, yet it still has "no medical use" according to our government that cares more about corporate profits than the health of it's citizenry.

[iamthebandfanman]

72. what i think is funny

is that you dont even have to get 'high' to get the positive effects. the chemicals that can help people can be seperated from the THC and put into healthy forms of consumption....
not to mention the other good things that can be done with it....
industrial hemp....clothing, rope, paper....energy! lol....
also, seems to me i heard somewhere that marijuana takes in massive ammounts of carbon dioxide and releases massive amounts of oxygen.

[Blue-Jay]

51. -1.

You didn't type "NOW!!!"

Bad form.

[2hip]

53. No argument here!

Project 420

[bvar22]

54. I don't smoke it (anymore),

but I would love to grow a couple of acres of Hemp for a small homegrown textile enterprise.
It would be a great compliment to the HoneyBees and Organic Garden.
:hippie:

[proud patriot]

56. we have in California

:hi: people can get a prescription for it here .

[High Plains]

75. Actually, it is not by prescription...

...but by the doctor's "recommendation."

That's because the DEA controls doctors' ability to prescribe drugs and will punish any doctor who tries to write an Rx for pot. That was the problem with the 1996 Arizona initiative, which is ineffective because no doctors will prescribe and risk losing their licenses. In subsequent initiatives, crafters have gotten around the DEA by saying doctors will "recommend." Then drug czar Barry McCaffrey (under Democrat Bill Clinton) threatened to go after docs who recommended pot, but they took him to court and successfully told him to fuck off. That was Conant v. McCaffrey.

[proud patriot]

87. Thank You for the clarification

:hi:

[mitchtv]

90. Riverside county is prosecuting

med mj dispensary owners. We need a recall election

[Tuesday Afternoon]

58. K&R yes --

and decriminalize it...in other words...get them out of the prisons and get it off their records. NOW!!!

[mike_c]

59. california prop. 215 is only the beginning....

Legalize it. :smoke:

[tabasco]

60. We have about 9 million gutless politicians to get rid of first.

I've gotten rather pessimistic that I will ever see rational pot laws.

[SammyWinstonJack]

63. Legalize weed and hemp! Plant acres and acres of both!

And stop destroying the rain forests which contain the best possible medicinal remedies in the World!

[defendandprotect]

64. I'm wondering how many people here support/$ the maijuana organizations ---

organizations that work to make marijuana legal --?????

[SammyWinstonJack]

66. How many of us can? Legally that is?

[defendandprotect]

68. You can give money to the organizations that work to legalize marijuana ---

Of course you can ---

Here are some . . .

but the one I contribute to and their people are on TV occasionally and very effective is
Marijuana Policy Project --

http://www.mpp.org/

They have an excellent organization, excellent representatives, and a great newsletter ---
about once a month or every two months ---


Others . . .


NORMAL is one --
www.norml.org

Legalize Marijuana Party of South Jersey
www.tlmp.org

Here's a petititon on line for medical and recreational marijuana
was created by USA ...
www.petitiononline.com/Legalize/petition.html

Support the Marijuana Legalization Organization ...
mjlegal.org/support.html

CANADA ... I put this in, but I have no idea where this stands now with
Canada and marijuana --- ???

Drug Policy Alliance: Canadians on Verge of Supporting Marijuana ...
... National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws ... In two provinces, Quebec and British Colombia, support for legalization surpasses 50 percent. ...
www.drugpolicy.org/news/06_28_01canada2.cfm

[Asgaya Dihi]

76. Cops do, so can you.

It's just free speech, it's not drug use. Growing numbers of cops are starting to suggest alternatives so there's no reason you can't too. Nothing illegal about it.

[ileus]

73. preach it to 'em brother!

[haydukelives]

77. pot is beeing grown by the ton

spend an afternoon inside a local hydroponics store sometime
you would be amazed at the money-CASH-that is spent
not everybody is growing tomatoes.

edited to add: Edwards lost my support too

[pleah]

78. I'm all for it, but,

The big drug companies will never let it happen.

[chitty]

83. Watch this very

important video.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57DdviStOFo&eurl=http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/

[wildbilln864]

86. why pot is illegal...

link
:hi:

[postulater]

88. sorry, I read legalize cannibals

must be hungry.