Don't shop at Kohl's - Director is Bush Ranger

[lame54]

http://www.muckety.com/Steven-A-Burd/6022.muckety
Steven A. Burd - responsible for 4 1/2 month grocery strike in California 2003
http://supermarketswindle.com/facts.php
Current relationships:
Kohl's Corporation - director of
Safeway Inc. - chairman & president & CEO of

Past relationships:
2004 George W. Bush presidential campaign - major donor

[meegbear]

1. But they're on the AFA shitlist ...

http://www.afa.net/emails/transform.asp?x=kohls_112907&s=browser&y=2007&m=11

what to do, what to do ....

[AlCzervik]

2. i'm running out of places to shop.

i'll still go to Kohls.

[lame54]

5. I walked that picket line - many nights in the snow...

thanks for your support

[Midlodemocrat]

7. Uphill both ways?

:eyes:

[lame54]

8. not joking

[Midlodemocrat]

11. Neither am I. Saying 'thanks for your support' to a total

stranger is the joke, actually.

I expect you to be on each and every picket line that any DUer walks from here on in.

[AlCzervik]

14. exactly!

[Name removed]

15. Deleted message

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[AlCzervik]

17. you need to be out on the picket line with the writers, your posting anything here

is writing and therefore un supportive of striking writers.

[MadBadger]

19. Good one!

[lame54]

20. a little out in left field are ya?

the worst comparison i've ever heard

[AlCzervik]

24. no pumpkin it's not.

[Midlodemocrat]

21. Might not be able to construe as 'writing'

maybe more like dictating to his mom?


:rofl:

:hi: Chimps, how are ya?

[AlCzervik]

25. i'm just fine, love ya.

:loveya:

[Midlodemocrat]

26. I love these outrage threads.

Pretty soon we won't be able to shop anywhere, eat anywhere, buy anything.

:rofl:

[lame54]

48. no you can choose to support repugs

or you can put a little thought into where your money goes. I'm glad that you get a laugh out of supporting the right, cause they are laughing all the way to the bank. This is not an outrage thread. It was done to inform you, what your dollars were supporting. If you chose to mock instead of going to the links and educating yourself, the laugh is on you. Bushco and the right wing thanks you for your support.

patty lame's wife

[lame54]

31. you guys are mean

[MadBadger]

35. Your the one calling people ass holes.

[AlCzervik]

38. i'm bookmarking this thread, it's priceless.

[Midlodemocrat]

40. I think it belongs on the greatest page.

:rofl:

[lame54]

39. definition of asshole

asshole - some who mocks someone who walked 4 1/2 months on a picket line(many nights in the snow) to keep his job he had for 15 years

[Blue-Jay]

47. huh...

I always thought it was that hole in my ass.

learn something new every day...

[lame54]

22. a little out in left field are ya?

the worst comparison i've ever heard
the way to support them is to not watch shows that are crossing the line
e.g. Ellen, Carson Daly

[MadBadger]

23. No, the best way to support them is to walk the line with them.

[lame54]

27. There isn't one near me

[AlCzervik]

29. we'll start a fund to buy you a plane ticket.

[Midlodemocrat]

30. I'm in.

:rofl:

[lame54]

32. cool - free money

[AlCzervik]

33. ok lets go through traveloscity and request "6 stops or more"

:rofl:

[Midlodemocrat]

36. With no hotels nearby.

:rofl:

[AlCzervik]

37. ****splurt****

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[lame54]

34. I think there is one in Tahiti

[Midlodemocrat]

18. Right back atcha honeykins.

:eyes:

Absurd doesn't begin to cover this thread.

[AlCzervik]

10. i'm just not pure enough, so sorry.

[lame54]

12. I've heard more sincere apologies

[AlCzervik]

13. i'm sure you have seeing as mine wasn't sincere at all.

[lame54]

65. I apologize for my sarcastic remark and name-calling

I don't want to fight with my fellow DU'ers - I don't mind a heated debate but i took this to a personal (and childish) level and for that i am sorry.

[MadBadger]

16. Lighten up.

[senseandsensibility]

64. Thanks for walking the picket line

I will no longer shop at Kohl's or Safeway.

[Midlodemocrat]

6. Me, too. They sell some quality stuff that I need for not a ton of money.

[lame54]

49. read the links

and you will find that Steve Burd is a born-again bush supporting working class hating fool .
That should help you decide.
patty lame's wife

[nashville_brook]

3. having a Kohl's Store is not a good thing...

say it out loud... :evilgrin:


i have been in Kohl's exactly once. i've never seen so much cheap crap in all my life. look at the "made in" tags the next time you're there -- they read like the table of contents of Shock Doctrine: the rise of Disaster Capitalism. Chile, Israel, Vietnam, etc etc.

[BoneDaddy]

45. Wow you must be an elitist

snob, cause I shop there often and find great deals.

[judaspriestess]

4. I personally am not impressed with kohl's

anyway.

[mod mom]

9. Good to know although I can't stand how cluttered their stores are so rarely

have shopped there.

[AndyA]

28. I can avoid Kohl's. I've probably only been in one of their stores a couple

of times anyway.

I've never really cared all that much for their merchandise, and knowing any dollars spent there will go toward Republican interests is enough to keep me driving right past them!

Thanks for the heads up.

[RebelOne]

41. I for one will not stop shopping at Kohl's.

The store is conveniently about 1 mile from my house. I like their clothes and the prices are right.

[Midlodemocrat]

42. Well, as you can see from the above, that makes you a bad liberal.

Thanks for your support. :sarcasm:

:patriot:

:rofl:

[lame54]

43. You minimize this why?

Do you also shop at Walmart because it is convenient?
I walked that picket line too (lame's wife Patty speaking here).
He was dead serious when he stated we walked in the snow in below zero weather(Mammoth Lakes,CA got over 20 feet that winter). Silly us we didn't do it to keep our benefits (the company contract was already giving them to us) We went on strike to insure that new hires received the same benefits that we already en-joyed (unfortunately we lost).

We know quite a bit about Steve Burd and how much money he raised for the Bush Campaign. Steve Bird not only embraces Bush and everything his administration stands for, he stated he aspires to run his companies by the same tactics Walmart does.
You do not know too much about supporting strikes...not every one can walk the picket line(as your sarcastic remarks suggest) that is why there are many other options to show your support during a strike. Such as not crossing the picket line, sending letters, signing petitions, or not watching the programs (as in the writers strike) that do not support them. We have done all of those things when it comes to the writers strike (except walking the line). It's your choice where you shop, but when you shop at Kohl's, Safe-way or Walmart make no mistake your dollars will go to support right wing republicans. There are alternative's it just takes a little more effort and you may find you will get a better product for your money. On edit not too many writers walked our picket line but many when they came to Mammoth chose not to cross it to show their support.
Peace
Patty lame's wife

[Midlodemocrat]

51. You know quite a bit about Steve Burd?

But you can't spell his name correctly?

And, let me tell you something, honey. Walking the picket line to support YOURSELF is not the same as walking the picket line to support someone else's job loss.

Your husband's comments in this thread were beyond ridiculous. Which is why he got his ass handed to him. And now it's your turn.

Grow up.

And, great of you to lecture all of us when you've been here as long as you have. :eyes:

[lame54]

53. Wasn't trying to lecture

Just wanted to give you a little understanding of why he has such strong feeling in regard to Steve Burd. His comments may have been harsh because you mocked the post from the beginning.
He also simplified why we were on the picket line for four months. Our jobs and benefits were not in jeopardy. New hires would not enjoy the same benefits or pay increases that we did. Eventually this would weaken the union and cut into our retirement package so yes further down the road it would effect us. But to say we walked the line just to support ourselves is an unfair statement we could have crossed and went back to work like many others in our small town did. We stayed on the picket line putting in sometimes 70 hours a week between part time jobs and the line because we believed that everyone not just us who were vested, should get a fair wage and benefits. We believed this so much that when we lost the fight and the contract gave new hires nothing (read the second link for more info) We quit and found new jobs and had to start at the bottom again. We could not in good conscience work for a company that made huge profits and left their workers in poverty.

Yes I let spell check correct my second spelling of Burd-thanks for catching that.

As far as time on DU been reading it for years, but have been active in progressive causes since 1968. Maybe that should count for something.
patty lame's wife

[Midlodemocrat]

61. Actually, his comments to Chimps are what caused him to

get flamed. 'Thanks for your support'. :wtf:

[Poiuyt]

44. Herb Kohl is a Democratic senator

Not the most liberal, but he usually votes the right way

[lame54]

46. He sold the corporation in 1979

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Kohl

They also say Sam Walton was a fair man when he was alive...I wouldn't call Wal-mart a good company today and there are many facts to support that.
I'm curious how many of you actually went to the links in the op? If you did you might have a better understanding of Steve Burd and how he values his employees. His goal is to make as much money as he can off of the backs of the working class.

patty lame's wife

[PeaceNikki]

52. Do you know any Kohls employees? I do. A lot of them, in fact.

I know folks who work their retail stores, and MANY who work at their corporate headquarters which is just up the road. They treat their employees pretty damn good.

Kohls is pretty consistently ranked one of the best employers

http://www.businessweek.com/careers/bplc/companies_47.htm
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2007/snapshots/754.html

And they're listed in the top 10 of "green power users"
http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2007/07/30/daily10.html

So, one the OP points out issues with of their execs? Find me one company where every exec is infallible. Please.

[nightrider767]

50. Lame54, I'm with you brother.

I really have to think that the luke warm "at best" response you are receiving here is due to your graphic. I mean,,, it's like the little red-topped puppet is talking and not a real person they are dealing with. So maybe that has something to do with it.

Now on the other hand, if "ass-holes" don't respect picket lines, and consider themselves next in line to the Bush dynasty, why don't they take their asses to another board?

Yepper, check me, less than a 1000. Still sayin it.

But if Lamer walked the line and that's all you punks have to say, maybe I need to find a new board.

Disgusting.

Union Yes!

:kick:

[datasuspect]

56. i see you guys trying to move from a position of conscience

and that is a good thing.

then there are others who are trying to mock you. it is feeble and accomplishes nothing.

post counts and relative popularity notwithstanding, don't sweat it. this gets to be a vicious place at times.

[PeaceNikki]

58. Mocking is sad and not productive, But, feigned outrage is as well.

The OP linked to and discusses the actions of one guy on the board of directors for a company that employs well over 100,000 people.

One guy that isn't even involved in day-to-day operations. Kohls was founded by a guy who is now a Democratic Senator.

Boycotting a company because of the actions of one guy on the board is a silly notion. It just is.

[datasuspect]

59. it's misguided

but better than mockery.

still, i make an error of judgement when it comes to tag teaming viciousness - not saying you are doing this.

i can tolerate silliness, although it too is nonproductive, it isn't just plain VINDICTIVE and nasty. that's the only point i was trying to make.

[Midlodemocrat]

62. delete - computer burp

[Midlodemocrat]

63. And calling people assholes is VERY conducive to an

informed discussion. :eyes:

[lame54]

66. Burd is not just any guy when it comes to day-to day operations

He truly believes that workers are over-paid and if you read the second link you will see what he has done to the workers in California. Safeway was a pretty decent company before he became involved with it. It took him over ten years to create it in the image of Wal-mart but he did achieve his goal. He has a history of doing this and some companies hire him just for that reason. You don't need to boycott but you could look into who Steve Burd really is and let Kolhs know what you think. As far as Kohls being founded by a Democratic Senator that's true but his family sold the company in 1979.

Many of our friends and some family members still work for Safeway because they are vested and couldn't afford to do what we did. But they know what the company has become under this man and are not happy with it.

As far as the feigned outrage-yes he shouldn't have been sarcastic or resorted to name calling but the outrage for Burd and what he has done and is capable of doing is real. He almost destroyed Safe way before and during the strike by dumping shares that he obtained as bonuses(at a much lower price) while the stock was still high. He took that money and invested in Kohls, he is not just a director but a major stockholder. Make no mistake this man is evil but hopefully he will not do to Kohls what he did to Safeway.

patty lame's wife

[gulliver]

54. Tell me where to shop where I won't find a Bush Ranger.

Breakfast cereal contains rat feces. Kohl's has a Bush Ranger. Purity is not an option. You have to go by what the store actually does in the world and how it treats its employees and customers, IMO.

[MadBadger]

55. Lame54, your so lame.

[Ilsa]

57. Uh-oh. I've already purchased Christmas gifts there.

They don't always have what I like, but the staff is friendly and there are some good things in the store.

Yeah, I have also seen the "Made In..." labels, and they are disheartening. But I am having a hard time finding anything that isn't made in China, Vietnam, etc. I don't shop online very much, and I live in a city with less than 100,000 people. Anytime we get a good store here, it closes because the citizens won't support paying an extra 10%, probably because they can't afford to spend more. I'm not spending an extra $50 just to drive into Houston to shop at the same retailers, either.

[MilesColtrane]

60. My guess would be that 96.5% of corporate board directors are Bush donors.

Be prepared to boycott every corporation in America.