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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:37 PM
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If a politician knowingly betrays their oath of office,

can they be considered a traitor to the citizens of the United States of America, who some have elected to represent their best interests, and, having been elected, have a moral and legal obligation to discharge their duties in good faith?

The oath below is the oath of office that Nancy Pelosi took, upon becoming a member of the House of Representatives.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

Now, maybe we all can form different interpretations of this oath, but I would like to break it down a little bit.

She swore that she would support and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. There is no real need to list the long list of transgressions against the constitution that George Bush and Dick Cheney have perpetrated. Nancy Pelosi swore that she would defend the constitution against ANYONE, foreign or domestic, that violate it.

Our Madam Speaker also swore that she takes this obligation freely, without reservation or purpose of evasion. WITHOUT PURPOSE OF EVASION!!! She is obliged by her oath NOT to evade her responsibility to support and defend the constitution. She does not have the right to pick and choose what parts of the constitution, or when, if ever, she may feel like it. She hasn't the right to play politics, when it comes to the solemn matter of defending the constitution. And yet, playing politics is exactly what she is doing. What she is NOT doing is faithfully discharging the duties of her office, because, if she were, then the evils of this administration would be laid bare, and impeachment proceedings would be underway.

Most Americans want to go about their lives, free from the worry of tyranny. And so, we charge our elected officials to keep an eye on the constitution, to make sure it stays neat and clean. But it's a sad state of affairs when the average citizen has more regard for our constitution than our elected officials, and they become dire circumstances when the average citizen becomes powerless to stop tyranny, and the very politicians we elected to provide constitutional checks and balances fail miserably in upholding their oaths of office.

So, once again I will ask, are politicians who knowingly ignore their oath of office to be considered traitors?
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:39 PM
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1. This is a valid question.....I dare say that you may be onto
something.
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:41 PM
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2. traitors and cowards.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:58 PM
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3. When you're right you're right.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:09 PM
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4. If you'd bother to read the constitution...
"treason" is defined there. This ain't treason.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:20 PM
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5. If you'd bother to read the OP ...
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 08:22 PM by 11 Bravo
"treason" is never mentioned. The word "traitor" is. The New Oxford American Dictionary defines "traitor" as "a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc." You probably should either check your snark at the door, or reassess your reading comprehension skills.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:42 PM
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6. Oh, I see.....
she's a "traitor" but she didn't commit treason. LOLOLOL.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:50 PM
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7. You don't believe she has betrayed the public trust and violated
her oath of office?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:55 PM
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8. No
Has she done what I would prefer she do? No. But that doesn't mean she has betrayed her oath of office or the public trust. I think you ought to reserve judgments like that for people who actually have....like, say, George W. Bush.

I object to throwing words like "traitor" around so loosely and accusing people of betraying the oath of office or the public trust in such a subjective, rather than objective fashion. But, I'll play along, just for fun. Assuming she has done what you claim, what would you propose the remedy to be?
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:05 PM
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9. There is nothing subjective about my assertion that she has knowingly

sidestepped her responsibility to protect and defend the constitution against the likes of George Bush. Her refusal to impeach is a dereliction of her duties. Failing to impeach has serious ramifications for this country.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:08 PM
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10. Pelosi has betrayed nation and citizens --- but evidently not Repug leadership --- !!!
Did Pelosi actually PROMISE not to impeach Bush . . . ????

Turley also suggests that this also means that they cannot let any investigations reach
the stage where impeachment of Bush would become necessary --- !!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:16 PM
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11. That would tend to validate my assertions that these "so-called"

investigations are nothing more than a lot of smoke and mirrors. Nothing more than a dog and pony show.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:18 PM
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12. Right --- and I think if there was such a PELOSI PROMISE, Dems need to know --- !!!
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 09:19 PM by defendandprotect
This is something which should be followed up and deserves much more discussion ---
however, there's a save Pelosi from bashing thread which
jumped this thread ---

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:22 PM
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13. Locking
Do not post to continue a previously locked flame-war, or to repeat previously locked or deleted postings.
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